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Re: [Pharo-dev] please test download for Pharo 6.0

by Alexandre Bergel

Oh.. and when I am using the command line, I use ZeroConf. I did not know this. Everything seems to be fine. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On May 31, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 31 May 2017, at 16:40, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Esteban, >> >> Thanks for pushing this! >> >> I tried the script: >> /tmp> curl get.pharo.org/64 <http://get.pharo.org/64> | bash >> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current >> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed >> 100 232 100 232 0 0 538 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 539 >> bash: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' >> bash: line 1: `<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">' >> /tmp> >> >> I got an error > > I said zeroconf will not work yet (is not yet moved) ;) > > Esteban > >> >> Alexandre >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> we are getting ready for release. >>> please take a minute to review: >>> >>> http://pharo.org/STAGE.download <http://pharo.org/STAGE.download> >>> >>> (notice that zerconf download will not work because it is not yet movedâ¦ so #stable will download current stable version which is 5.0) >>> >>> cheers, >>> Esteban >> >

May 31, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] please test download for Pharo 6.0

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 31 May 2017, at 16:40, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > Thanks for pushing this! > > I tried the script: > /tmp> curl get.pharo.org/64 <http://get.pharo.org/64> | bash > % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current > Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed > 100 232 100 232 0 0 538 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 539 > bash: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' > bash: line 1: `<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">' > /tmp> > > I got an error I said zeroconf will not work yet (is not yet moved) ;) Esteban > > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On May 31, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> we are getting ready for release. >> please take a minute to review: >> >> http://pharo.org/STAGE.download <http://pharo.org/STAGE.download> >> >> (notice that zerconf download will not work because it is not yet movedâ¦ so #stable will download current stable version which is 5.0) >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >

May 31, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] please test download for Pharo 6.0

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Esteban, Thanks for pushing this! I tried the script: /tmp> curl get.pharo.org/64 | bash % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed 100 232 100 232 0 0 538 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 539 bash: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' bash: line 1: `<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">' /tmp> I got an error Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On May 31, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > we are getting ready for release. > please take a minute to review: > > http://pharo.org/STAGE.download <http://pharo.org/STAGE.download> > > (notice that zerconf download will not work because it is not yet movedâ¦ so #stable will download current stable version which is 5.0) > > cheers, > Esteban

May 31, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] please test download for Pharo 6.0

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 31 May 2017, at 16:32, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > >> On 31 May 2017, at 16:18, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> we are getting ready for release. >> please take a minute to review: >> >> http://pharo.org/STAGE.download >> >> (notice that zerconf download will not work because it is not yet movedâ¦ so #stable will download current stable version which is 5.0) >> >> cheers, >> Esteban > > The Mac links are like > > http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo6.0-mac.zip > http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo6.0-64-mac.zip > > while the Linux ones are like > > http://pharo.org/STAGE.gnu-linux-installation > http://pharo.org/STAGE.gnu-linux-installation-64 > > on that page, are you sure this is correct ? yes because they point to another page, not to a file (it has been always like that, btw) Esteban > >

May 31, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] please test download for Pharo 6.0

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 31 May 2017, at 16:18, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > we are getting ready for release. > please take a minute to review: > > http://pharo.org/STAGE.download > > (notice that zerconf download will not work because it is not yet movedâ¦ so #stable will download current stable version which is 5.0) > > cheers, > Esteban The Mac links are like http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo6.0-mac.zip http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo6.0-64-mac.zip while the Linux ones are like http://pharo.org/STAGE.gnu-linux-installation http://pharo.org/STAGE.gnu-linux-installation-64 on that page, are you sure this is correct ?

May 31, 2017

[ANN] Zeroconf stable will be moved tomorrow to 6.0 (as part of the release process)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, We will move stable to 6.0 and alpha to 7.0. So if you depend on something that can be affected by this, is the moment to update your scripts. cheers, Esteban

May 31, 2017

please test download for Pharo 6.0

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hello, we are getting ready for release. please take a minute to review: http://pharo.org/STAGE.download <http://pharo.org/STAGE.download> (notice that zerconf download will not work because it is not yet movedâ¦ so #stable will download current stable version which is 5.0) cheers, Esteban

May 31, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] DebugSession: no exception raised when stepping out of the execution?

by Guillermo Polito

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > > On May 29, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:34 PM, <tdupriez(a)ens-paris-saclay.fr> wrote: > > [...] > >> Here is my example code. Beware, running it will freeze the VM. >> >> | program process context debugSession | >> program := [1+2]. >> process := program newProcess. >> context := process suspendedContext. >> debugSession := process newDebugSessionNamed: 'StepIntoForever' >> startedAt: context. >> [ true ] whileTrue: [ debugSession stepInto ]. >> >> [...] > In particular, your use of stepInto: will soon step into the process > termination code. See newProcess. You have to stop simulating before you > stop the current process by mistake. > > Yes, I explained yesterday to Thomas that this would end up terminating the UIProcess where the debugger is running on, instead of terminating the process that is being debugged. But, it looks like a bug... It would make sense to me that "Processor activeContext" yields the debugged context in the simulated code instead of the real active context. And I believe that this change should not break any existing code. Actually, thinking a bit more about this, similar problems may happen if we try to execute in the debugger Semaphore code in the debugger. So probably, in general terms, the debugger should handle specially all code that messes up with the Process machinery. -- Guille Polito Research Engineer French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr* <http://www.cnrs.fr> *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* <http://guillep.github.io> *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13

May 31, 2017

Recording TechTalk Roassal available

by Marcus Denker

Hello! The recording of the Roassal Techtalk of yesterday is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pk4q5oMdLo (start at 7:35) A PDF with all the code of the demos shown: http://files.pharo.org/media/techtalk/RoassalTechTalk.pdf

May 31, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] basicNew usage pattern

by Ben Coman

Thanks for the additional perspective Guille. Now reading back I see that I was not explicit. I was proposing the following changes might be preferred... Example1 -- DAPackageRelationGraph>>addMessageSendDependencies: aPackage analyser := DAMessageSendAnalyzer newWith: aPackage; yourself. Example 2 -- FreeTypeFontProvider>>#updateFromFile: aFile face := FreeTypeFace newWithFileContentsExternalMemory: externalMem . since I'm guessing the above aren't performance sensitive. Example 3, same idea, but maybe its performance critical, but as you say, sista should fix that. cheers -ben On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Just to complete Sven's answer: #new will send #initialize to the new > instance. Some frameworks may not want that to avoid extra initializations > or side-effects. Think for example about any kind of serializer like Fuel > or Glorp: the object they serialize/deserialize already have state, there > is no need to execute the #initialize method on them. > > Now, checking the cases you show in the first email: > > - Case 1: could probably call #new > - Case 2: I don't know without checking the code :) > - Case 3: could probably call #new > > I think Cases 1 and 3 are just optimizations. They avoid #new to avoid the > extra (empty) call to #initialize. Sista should fix this by smartly > inlining the #initialize methods thus avoiding extra overhead for these > cases... > > That said, I'd say that > - people should not use #basicNew, unless they know what they are doing > and why. > - corollary: if you do not know what to use, use #new > > That will avoid headaches like "My object is not initialized Ã±aaÃ±aÃ±a" :) > > Guille > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:05 PM, K K Subbu <kksubbu.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 28 May 2017 02:09 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Subbu. That is a useful insight for me, but is about the >>>> implementation. >>>> My query was more about senders of basicNew, so is still open if you >>>> have an opinion there, or anyone else. >>>> >>> >>> It is just a private primitive for creating new instances. I don't think >>> there is any restriction in the language that it should only be sent only >>> from class-side methods. Only methods which are part of language >>> implementation will send this selector and it so happens that most callers >>> fall on the class side. You will also find instance side methods >>> (operators) in non-trivial basic types like Colors or DateAndTime sending >>> #basicNew. >>> >>> Regards .. Subbu >>> >>> >> Cool. Sounds like I was being over-eager then. >> cheers -ben >> >> > > > -- > > > > Guille Polito > > > Research Engineer > > French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr* > <http://www.cnrs.fr> > > > > *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* <http://guillep.github.io> > > *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13 <+33%206%2052%2070%2066%2013> >

May 30, 2017