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RE: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Gary Chambers

:-) I think he meant #2. I hope so... but then, not quite a reload, but a patch package could be done for the stuff not included in the EToys package. At least then, technically, EToys would be modular. Though it would be likely to hamper further streamlining. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: 03 June 2008 4:51 PM > To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an > open-sourceSmalltalk > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Damien Cassou > <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers > <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Damien, > >> > >> I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is > here... quite > >> happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with > it!). Early > >> indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from > Morph alone! > >> > >> Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my > investigations to > >> Pahro though. > > > > I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: > > > > "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > > reintroduce cruft" > > Now that I read again the sentence, I think it can have 2 > different meanings: > > "No ! reload of etoy is important !" > > or > > "reload of etoy is not important" > > Which one is correct? Knowing Stef, I would vote for 2 but I > thought he meant 1. > > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> Damien, >> >> I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite >> happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early >> indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! >> >> Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to >> Pahro though. > > I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: > > "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > reintroduce cruft" Now that I read again the sentence, I think it can have 2 different meanings: "No ! reload of etoy is important !" or "reload of etoy is not important" Which one is correct? Knowing Stef, I would vote for 2 but I thought he meant 1. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Damien, > > I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite > happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early > indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! > > Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to > Pahro though. I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will reintroduce cruft" -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

RE: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Gary Chambers

Damien, I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to Pahro though. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: 03 June 2008 4:29 PM > To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an > open-sourceSmalltalk > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > > reintroduce > > cruft. > > Why do you want to be able to reload Etoys? > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > reintroduce > cruft. Why do you want to be able to reload Etoys? -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Missing development tools in Pharo

by Oscar Nierstrasz

My bad! I missed it on this page with a million links -- though I shouldn't since it is right under the pharo releases! Thanks. - on On Jun 3, 2008, at 14:53, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > Hi Oscar, > you can use the Pharo-dev image built by Damien to do that. > > 2008/6/3 Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch>: >> >> I am missing some things in Pharo, starting with the Refactoring >> Browser and >> the VB-regex package. >> >> I sympathize with the principle of keeping Pharo small, but it >> would be >> really nice if we had in the Squeak flap some buttons to load in >> much of >> this standard stuff. How hard would it be to do this? It will >> surely be >> needed for Pharo development itself, no? >> >> - on >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Missing development tools in Pharo

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi Oscar, you can use the Pharo-dev image built by Damien to do that. 2008/6/3 Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch>: > > I am missing some things in Pharo, starting with the Refactoring Browser and > the VB-regex package. > > I sympathize with the principle of keeping Pharo small, but it would be > really nice if we had in the Squeak flap some buttons to load in much of > this standard stuff. How hard would it be to do this? It will surely be > needed for Pharo development itself, no? > > - on > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Serge Stinckwich http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/

June 3, 2008

[Pharo-project] Missing development tools in Pharo

by Oscar Nierstrasz

I am missing some things in Pharo, starting with the Refactoring Browser and the VB-regex package. I sympathize with the principle of keeping Pharo small, but it would be really nice if we had in the Squeak flap some buttons to load in much of this standard stuff. How hard would it be to do this? It will surely be needed for Pharo development itself, no? - on

June 3, 2008

[Pharo-project] Tools-AlexandreBergel.83 adds a dependency to OmniBrowser

by Damien Cassou

There is a reference to OB specific classes in Tools-AlexandreBergel.83. OB must not be part of pharo in my opinion. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

RE: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Gary Chambers

Looking at the repository the "base" packages are being saved (forked from mainstream Squeak). Which is what I expected. Given the amount of stuff in the inbox I'll have to wait till things have settled down before applying the EToys removal. Bound to be some overlap with other's stuff (MVC removal, for instance). In the meantime I'll continue investigating (as part of work for producing normal Squeak "deployment" images). Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of > Stephane Ducasse > Sent: 02 June 2008 5:10 PM > To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an > open-sourceSmalltalk > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys > > > > I assume for the SLICES thing to work we are essentially forking base > > packages like Morphic? > > No this is just that when people publish a fix that touches several > packages > it was a hell to identify them. Now with a slice we can get the slice > and all the packages that > are reltaed > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008