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Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Bill Schwab

My hunch is that Stef is against loading it in its current state. Any well-factored and optional package should be welcome. I am thrilled to see Gary on board! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.cassou(a)gmail.com 6/3/2008 10:50 AM >>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> Damien, >> >> I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite >> happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early >> indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! >> >> Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to >> Pahro though. > > I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: > > "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > reintroduce cruft" Now that I read again the sentence, I think it can have 2 different meanings: "No ! reload of etoy is important !" or "reload of etoy is not important" Which one is correct? Knowing Stef, I would vote for 2 but I thought he meant 1. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Tools-AlexandreBergel.83 adds a dependency to OmniBrowser

by Alexandre Bergel

You're right Damien. Maybe the test should be an override of OB. But the test breaks if OB is loaded, and is green without OB. The class may be moved to the OB package... Alexandre On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:37, Damien Cassou wrote: > There is a reference to OB specific classes in > Tools-AlexandreBergel.83. OB must not be part of pharo in my opinion. > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Michael Rueger

Gary Chambers wrote: > :-) > > I think he meant #2. > > I hope so... but then, not quite a reload, but a patch package could be done > for the stuff not included in the EToys package. At least then, technically, > EToys would be modular. Though it would be likely to hamper further > streamlining. as most surely know I'm a big supporter of etoys. But, etoys has forked based on the 3.8 image a long time ago and it would be non-trivial to merge the current state back into a 3.9 or 3.10 image anyways. Michael

June 3, 2008

RE: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Gary Chambers

:-) I think he meant #2. I hope so... but then, not quite a reload, but a patch package could be done for the stuff not included in the EToys package. At least then, technically, EToys would be modular. Though it would be likely to hamper further streamlining. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: 03 June 2008 4:51 PM > To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an > open-sourceSmalltalk > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Damien Cassou > <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers > <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Damien, > >> > >> I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is > here... quite > >> happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with > it!). Early > >> indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from > Morph alone! > >> > >> Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my > investigations to > >> Pahro though. > > > > I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: > > > > "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > > reintroduce cruft" > > Now that I read again the sentence, I think it can have 2 > different meanings: > > "No ! reload of etoy is important !" > > or > > "reload of etoy is not important" > > Which one is correct? Knowing Stef, I would vote for 2 but I > thought he meant 1. > > > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >> Damien, >> >> I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite >> happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early >> indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! >> >> Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to >> Pahro though. > > I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: > > "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > reintroduce cruft" Now that I read again the sentence, I think it can have 2 different meanings: "No ! reload of etoy is important !" or "reload of etoy is not important" Which one is correct? Knowing Stef, I would vote for 2 but I thought he meant 1. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > Damien, > > I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite > happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early > indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! > > Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to > Pahro though. I was asking the question to StÃ©phane who said: "No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will reintroduce cruft" -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

RE: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Gary Chambers

Damien, I don't, particularly! Just wondering what the approach is here... quite happy to rip it out altogether (might get a bit zealous with it!). Early indications are that around 200 methods can be dropped from Morph alone! Will wait for the inbox to settle first before applying my investigations to Pahro though. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: 03 June 2008 4:29 PM > To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an > open-sourceSmalltalk > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys > > > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > > reintroduce > > cruft. > > Why do you want to be able to reload Etoys? > > -- > Damien Cassou > Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good > luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > No reload of Etoy (as its current state) is important else it will > reintroduce > cruft. Why do you want to be able to reload Etoys? -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Missing development tools in Pharo

by Oscar Nierstrasz

My bad! I missed it on this page with a million links -- though I shouldn't since it is right under the pharo releases! Thanks. - on On Jun 3, 2008, at 14:53, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > Hi Oscar, > you can use the Pharo-dev image built by Damien to do that. > > 2008/6/3 Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch>: >> >> I am missing some things in Pharo, starting with the Refactoring >> Browser and >> the VB-regex package. >> >> I sympathize with the principle of keeping Pharo small, but it >> would be >> really nice if we had in the Squeak flap some buttons to load in >> much of >> this standard stuff. How hard would it be to do this? It will >> surely be >> needed for Pharo development itself, no? >> >> - on >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 3, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Missing development tools in Pharo

by Serge Stinckwich

Hi Oscar, you can use the Pharo-dev image built by Damien to do that. 2008/6/3 Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch>: > > I am missing some things in Pharo, starting with the Refactoring Browser and > the VB-regex package. > > I sympathize with the principle of keeping Pharo small, but it would be > really nice if we had in the Squeak flap some buttons to load in much of > this standard stuff. How hard would it be to do this? It will surely be > needed for Pharo development itself, no? > > - on > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Serge Stinckwich http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/

June 3, 2008