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[Pharo-project] Pinesoft enhancements

by Bill Schwab

Gary, It appears to have loaded. I did the MCPackageLoader hack described on the wiki. It appeared to have frozen one time, and succeeded on a second attempt. As always, Thanks! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029

June 28, 2008

[Pharo-project] Developer images; programming aids

by Bill Schwab

Damien, You asked (some time ago) for examples, and I just enountered a concrete situation of auto-completion making it (AFAICT) impossible to edit text the way I wanted. Having downloaded a fresh developer image, I am trying to install the Pinesoft enhancements, and tried to comment out some progress blocks - autocompletion insisted on "completing" the quotes for me, and I finally gave up. In fairness, the fonts could be better, so I might be missing a visual clue. For me, I type fast enough that I basically want the machine to do what I ask, and not try to help. You asked :) Please note that the answer to your question, "are the developer images useful?" appears to be yes. Our tastes on settings differ, but as I learn how to make my desired changes, I am finding the RB, Seaside, etc. very useful. Thanks, Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029

June 27, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [keith_hodges@yahoo.co.uk: [squeak-dev] Monticello version numbers]

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> I don't think this version number scheme has been actually >> tested, despite what Keith said; it gave me a walkback when the >> version number was accidentally detected as 'renglli.271'. > > I never used these initials and I usually don't spell my own name > wrong ;-) :) But this is good to know that we MC15 we can break most of my package. I hate those initials and prefer full names for traceabiility point of view. stef

June 27, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [keith_hodges@yahoo.co.uk: [squeak-dev] Monticello version numbers]

by Lukas Renggli

> I don't think this version number scheme has been actually > tested, despite what Keith said; it gave me a walkback when the > version number was accidentally detected as 'renglli.271'. I never used these initials and I usually don't spell my own name wrong ;-) Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

June 27, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

just signed by you and send it to the address this is just to be consistent stef On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > No problem then. How do you need it signed? > > As always, anything released to the community from Pinesoft is MIT > license. > > Regards, Gary. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of >> Stephane Ducasse >> Sent: 27 June 2008 6:00 PM >> To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an >> open-sourceSmalltalk >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal >> >> >> Hi gary >> >>> Thanks. As indicated in my previous emails the removal currently >>> consists of >>> an MC package that provides "blank" methods for those to be removed >>> and >>> modified versions for disintegration (!)... >> >> I like that sound :) Zap! >> >> We could then proceed with the disintegration and the rest. >> >>> Will have to check against existing Pharo removals for the latter. >>> >>> At present the methods are marked 'gvc' as the author... guess that >>> needs to >>> change given the policy for Pharo. >> >> Do not worry for the gvc jsut signe the license agreement so that we >> stay clean. >> >> Stef >> >> >>> >>> >>> Regards, Gary. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of >>>> Alain >>>> Plantec >>>> Sent: 27 June 2008 4:50 PM >>>> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday 27 June 2008 16:46:52 Gary Chambers wrote: >>>>> Just to say that my investigation is almost complete. Having >>>> completed most >>>>> of our work on the various Pinesoft Sprints I should have a bit >>>> more time >>>>> for it... >>>>> >>>>> Obviously there is some overlap with MVC/Nebraska/ScriptLoader >>>> removal (and >>>>> a bit of UI Enhancements modifications) though. >>>>> >>>>> Just a concern, forgiving a quote from Alain's email, "Stephane >>>>> seems to >>>>> prefer that I work on Etoy removing". >>>>> >>>>> I'm wondering the best way forward with this now. >>>> maybe you can just send here what you've done. >>>> I will make a try and help in order to make a slice package if >>>> needed. >>>> alain >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Gary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 27, 2008

[Pharo-project] [keith_hodges@yahoo.co.uk: [squeak-dev] Monticello version numbers]

by Matthew Fulmer

This came to my attention last night as I made a modification to MC1.5 in order to work with Pharo packages. ----- Forwarded message from Keith Hodges <keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk> ----- To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> From: Keith Hodges <keith_hodges(a)yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: [squeak-dev] Monticello version numbers Many do not know that Monticello 1.5 supports more complicated/natural version numbering schemes. Versions can be... 100 1.0.20 b523057e.606b.464b (abbreviated UUID with: $- replaced by $.) so.... this means... PLEASE DONT USE $. in your author initials when saving MC packages!!!!!! this has been a public service announcement Keith ----- End forwarded message ----- I don't know how or if it conflicts with Pharo dev policy. I don't see any requirement to use author names like lukas.renglli, but it happened. I don't think this version number scheme has been actually tested, despite what Keith said; it gave me a walkback when the version number was accidentally detected as 'renglli.271'. Does this interfere with some pharo policy? If so, any suggestions on a remedy? How do you envision MC package naming working once Author class is created? Keith's motivation behind the change: Seaside2.8 used version names with periods, but inside the package name. He made it more first-class UUID versions were a request by Chris Mueller -- Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/

June 27, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Monticello 1.5

by Matthew Fulmer

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:09:36PM +0200, St?phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi matthew > > > Thanks for your explanation. > We were afraid by MC1.5 because > - the atomic loading features as hacked by ralph looked dubious to us. Ralph's pseudo-atomic loader is not in MC1.5, according to Keith; however, a different pseudo-atomic loader written by keith is the default loader. It also includes the old loader (disabled by default), and an experimental true atomic loader (also disabled by default). > we did not want to break the dependency mechanism As far as I am able to tell, MC1.5 has not touched the dependency mechanism, and it works fine on what I have tried it with (which is only Nile, so far) > - the problem with PLF is that it looks like a black box that loads > a lot of stuff and we do not know why LPF loads Installer, then Monticello 1.5, then Loader. That is all. It does this by using Installer, which is able to fetch scripts off the web, dispatching optionally based on the image version (Squeak3.9, Pharo0.1), and by author initials. Look at the bottom of http://installer.pbwiki.com/LevelPlayingField First it runs the script LevelPlayingField-Preamble, then it runs one of the LevelPlayingField-<image version> scripts, and finally it runs the LevelPlayingField-Postscript script That is all it does. The scripts are linked and viewable on the web, so you can check what they do, and edit them by logging into the wiki (password is squeak) > - since we do **everything** with MC is should work 100% or we are > dead. So do we. We keep it working > Now we would be happy to ask our MC expert (yes I looked at adrian and > lukas) :) > to check your changes and slowly incorporate them. Ok. Do what suits your fancy. Seems like a strange approach, though, since that is exactly what MC1.5 is: a merge of all the features from all the older forks of Monticello: impara, 3.9, with a much more careful eye on backward compatability. Unlike Monticello in 3.9, MC1.5 can save packages that Monticello in 3.8 is able to read and load. > Alex did a small but cool improvement: dirty packages are always at > the top of the mc browser. > We found that cool and integrate it. I'll integrate it too. Thanks for the notification. -- Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/

June 27, 2008

RE: [Pharo-project] EToys removal

by Gary Chambers

No problem then. How do you need it signed? As always, anything released to the community from Pinesoft is MIT license. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of > Stephane Ducasse > Sent: 27 June 2008 6:00 PM > To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an > open-sourceSmalltalk > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal > > > Hi gary > > > Thanks. As indicated in my previous emails the removal currently > > consists of > > an MC package that provides "blank" methods for those to be removed > > and > > modified versions for disintegration (!)... > > I like that sound :) Zap! > > We could then proceed with the disintegration and the rest. > > > Will have to check against existing Pharo removals for the latter. > > > > At present the methods are marked 'gvc' as the author... guess that > > needs to > > change given the policy for Pharo. > > Do not worry for the gvc jsut signe the license agreement so that we > stay clean. > > Stef > > > > > > > > Regards, Gary. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of > >> Alain > >> Plantec > >> Sent: 27 June 2008 4:50 PM > >> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal > >> > >> > >> On Friday 27 June 2008 16:46:52 Gary Chambers wrote: > >>> Just to say that my investigation is almost complete. Having > >> completed most > >>> of our work on the various Pinesoft Sprints I should have a bit > >> more time > >>> for it... > >>> > >>> Obviously there is some overlap with MVC/Nebraska/ScriptLoader > >> removal (and > >>> a bit of UI Enhancements modifications) though. > >>> > >>> Just a concern, forgiving a quote from Alain's email, "Stephane > >>> seems to > >>> prefer that I work on Etoy removing". > >>> > >>> I'm wondering the best way forward with this now. > >> maybe you can just send here what you've done. > >> I will make a try and help in order to make a slice package if > >> needed. > >> alain > >>> > >>> Regards, Gary. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 27, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi gary > Thanks. As indicated in my previous emails the removal currently > consists of > an MC package that provides "blank" methods for those to be removed > and > modified versions for disintegration (!)... I like that sound :) Zap! We could then proceed with the disintegration and the rest. > Will have to check against existing Pharo removals for the latter. > > At present the methods are marked 'gvc' as the author... guess that > needs to > change given the policy for Pharo. Do not worry for the gvc jsut signe the license agreement so that we stay clean. Stef > > > Regards, Gary. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of >> Alain >> Plantec >> Sent: 27 June 2008 4:50 PM >> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal >> >> >> On Friday 27 June 2008 16:46:52 Gary Chambers wrote: >>> Just to say that my investigation is almost complete. Having >> completed most >>> of our work on the various Pinesoft Sprints I should have a bit >> more time >>> for it... >>> >>> Obviously there is some overlap with MVC/Nebraska/ScriptLoader >> removal (and >>> a bit of UI Enhancements modifications) though. >>> >>> Just a concern, forgiving a quote from Alain's email, "Stephane >>> seems to >>> prefer that I work on Etoy removing". >>> >>> I'm wondering the best way forward with this now. >> maybe you can just send here what you've done. >> I will make a try and help in order to make a slice package if >> needed. >> alain >>> >>> Regards, Gary. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 27, 2008

RE: [Pharo-project] EToys removal

by Gary Chambers

Thanks. As indicated in my previous emails the removal currently consists of an MC package that provides "blank" methods for those to be removed and modified versions for disintegration (!)... Will have to check against existing Pharo removals for the latter. At present the methods are marked 'gvc' as the author... guess that needs to change given the policy for Pharo. Regards, Gary. > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]On Behalf Of Alain > Plantec > Sent: 27 June 2008 4:50 PM > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] EToys removal > > > On Friday 27 June 2008 16:46:52 Gary Chambers wrote: > > Just to say that my investigation is almost complete. Having > completed most > > of our work on the various Pinesoft Sprints I should have a bit > more time > > for it... > > > > Obviously there is some overlap with MVC/Nebraska/ScriptLoader > removal (and > > a bit of UI Enhancements modifications) though. > > > > Just a concern, forgiving a quote from Alain's email, "Stephane seems to > > prefer that I work on Etoy removing". > > > > I'm wondering the best way forward with this now. > maybe you can just send here what you've done. > I will make a try and help in order to make a slice package if needed. > alain > > > > Regards, Gary. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 27, 2008