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Re: [Pharo-project] About Flap

by Igor Stasenko

2008/9/24 Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>: > > On 24.09.2008, at 20:14, Bill Schwab wrote: > >> Lukas, >> >> That's fine if my hands are on the keyboard, but if I have one on the >> mouse (common when browsing), then (in Dolphin at least), I end up >> either right clicking on a class in an open browser, or hitting a >> toolbar button. For the more obscure tools, the shell menus (Tools) do >> the trick. Shortcuts are great, but we should also provide mouse-based >> options. >> > > remember: there will be a menu, with a "tools" entry. And there will > always be the world-menu (click on the backround). > > the flap is not faster in the number of clicks than a pulldown menu... > well, with flaps is more convenient because you can drag a tool window and place it where you want to. While from menu - first, it placing a window automatically, and then often you need to arrange it again. How about putting a window in hand, when you opening it from menu? I find it very convenient and useful feature - it gives you chance to arrange window with no extra clicks. > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] possible TODOs...

by Marcus Denker

On 24.09.2008, at 21:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi marcus > > did you remove squeakmap already? > no. I only purged the data, which means it does not load anymore. (there is a fix for that on the bugtracker). Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Other Morphic question: allKnownNames

by Marcus Denker

On 24.09.2008, at 21:27, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > We are in sync then > I think that morphic will be quite small once we will get done with > it. :) > I will release ComponentLikeModel removal > > BTW scriptEditorMoprh is not in etoy package but it smells like it. > I think that I will try to remove it too. > What do you think? > Yes, that's etoys. I think there was some work going on to make the tiles more general and use them for non-kids stuff, too. see senders of #universalTiles. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype+Polymorph

by Simon Kirk

On 24 Sep 2008, at 20:21, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> Hi folks. This thread is a bit stale now, but Gary and I were >> playing with getting our latest web app installed on this Pharo >> image - plus of course our in-house tools that Gary's built. > > Excellent! > >> I run a Mac (unlike everybody else in the office) and my clipboard >> is no longer working. > > Argh! > >> In other words, text I copy to the clipboard in OSX can't be pasted >> into the Pharo image. The reverse *does* work (ie text copied in >> the image can be pasted into an app in OSX). > > Which VM are you using? > Because I tried with the latest pharo image 74 and this is working. > I'm on mac os 10.5 latest update running 3.8.18Beta1U Well, I'm using the one-click image from this thread (from here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/7268/Pharo0.1-PolymorphTT.zip) , so I presume it's running a VM that gets packaged with it? Certainly when running an image "bare" I'm running it with the VM I have installed on the Mac, which is 3.8.18Beta3U, and copy and paste works fine there. However, I think when I'm running the one-click image, I'm running a VM packaged within? For comparison, here is the printit output from "SmalltalkImage current vmVersion" on an image run "standalone": 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 3.8.18b3' And here's the printit output from the Pharo one-click linked above: 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Pharo'. I don't know if that helps. Ah, now things get extra weird! Copy and paste has *literally just* started working. I have seen this before. Perhaps it's because I tried a copy and paste on the "bare" image, then on Pharo? I can't say for sure what the conditions are yet, but perhaps somebody else has seen it. Either way, Gary definitely saw the same behaviour earlier today over my shoulder so he can confirm I'm not going mad :) >> I'm not sure if I'm repeating an earlier bug report here, or >> something already known, sorry if I am. >> >> Other than that, the image is looking really good :) > > > :) > > I want more :) I want that when I open a class browser it looks > really cool :) Amen to that! :) S ****************************************************************************************************************************************** This email is from Pinesoft Limited. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient(s) at the email address(es) to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee(s), nor may it be copied in anyway. If received in error, please contact the sender, then delete it from your system. Although this email and attachments are believed to be free of virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Pinesoft for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ******************************************************************************************************************************************* Pinesoft Limited are registered in England, Registered number: 2914825. Registered office: 266-268 High Street, Waltham Cross, Herts, EN8 7EA

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] possible TODOs...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi marcus did you remove squeakmap already? Stef On Sep 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > -> SqueakMap stores 1.5MB of crap in the image. make changeset that > removes SqueakMap from the image. > (check SqueakMap default purge)

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Other Morphic question: allKnownNames

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We are in sync then I think that morphic will be quite small once we will get done with it. :) I will release ComponentLikeModel removal BTW scriptEditorMoprh is not in etoy package but it smells like it. I think that I will try to remove it too. What do you think? Stef On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 24.09.2008, at 21:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I'm reading >> innocuousName >> allKnownNames >> allSubmorphNamesDo: >> >> and friends >> > > >> It seems to me that Morph submorph elements could be given names >> from the user interface and >> this would define automatically instance variables or something >> like that with the given name. > > > And this has even been used to find morphs to send messages to. > Because, besides "findA:" and "submorphThat:", > there is even: submorphNamed: > > in CodeHolder, there is this wonderful piece of code: > > buttonWithSelector: aSelector > "If receiver has a control button with the given action selector > answer it, else answer nil. morphic only at this point" > > | aWindow aPane | > ((aWindow := self containingWindow) isSystemWindow) > ifFalse: [^nil]. > (aPane := aWindow submorphNamed: 'buttonPane') ifNil: [^nil]. > ^aPane submorphThat: > [:m | > (m isKindOf: PluggableButtonMorph) and: [m actionSelector == > aSelector]] > ifNone: [^nil] > > > ;-) > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype+Polymorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Hi folks. This thread is a bit stale now, but Gary and I were > playing with getting our latest web app installed on this Pharo > image - plus of course our in-house tools that Gary's built. Excellent! > I run a Mac (unlike everybody else in the office) and my clipboard > is no longer working. Argh! > In other words, text I copy to the clipboard in OSX can't be pasted > into the Pharo image. The reverse *does* work (ie text copied in the > image can be pasted into an app in OSX). Which VM are you using? Because I tried with the latest pharo image 74 and this is working. I'm on mac os 10.5 latest update running 3.8.18Beta1U > I'm not sure if I'm repeating an earlier bug report here, or > something already known, sorry if I am. > > Other than that, the image is looking really good :) :) I want more :) I want that when I open a class browser it looks really cool :)

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Other Morphic question: allKnownNames

by Marcus Denker

On 24.09.2008, at 21:03, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi > > I'm reading > innocuousName > allKnownNames > allSubmorphNamesDo: > > and friends > > It seems to me that Morph submorph elements could be given names > from the user interface and > this would define automatically instance variables or something like > that with the given name. And this has even been used to find morphs to send messages to. Because, besides "findA:" and "submorphThat:", there is even: submorphNamed: in CodeHolder, there is this wonderful piece of code: buttonWithSelector: aSelector "If receiver has a control button with the given action selector answer it, else answer nil. morphic only at this point" | aWindow aPane | ((aWindow := self containingWindow) isSystemWindow) ifFalse: [^nil]. (aPane := aWindow submorphNamed: 'buttonPane') ifNil: [^nil]. ^aPane submorphThat: [:m | (m isKindOf: PluggableButtonMorph) and: [m actionSelector == aSelector]] ifNone: [^nil] ;-) Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype+Polymorph

by Simon Kirk

Hi folks. This thread is a bit stale now, but Gary and I were playing with getting our latest web app installed on this Pharo image - plus of course our in-house tools that Gary's built. I run a Mac (unlike everybody else in the office) and my clipboard is no longer working. In other words, text I copy to the clipboard in OSX can't be pasted into the Pharo image. The reverse *does* work (ie text copied in the image can be pasted into an app in OSX). I'm not sure if I'm repeating an earlier bug report here, or something already known, sorry if I am. Other than that, the image is looking really good :) Cheers, Simon On 24 Sep 2008, at 07:59, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > May be we should add this info in a class comment. > This is why I should continue to work on this idea of a manisfesto > per package. > > Stef > > On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Andrew Tween wrote: > >> >> "Norbert Hartl" <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote in message news:1222159745.9772.5.camel@localhost >> ... >>> On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 10:01 +0200, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> On 23.09.2008, at 09:09, Andrew Tween wrote: >>>> >>>> > Note that with a one-click app distribution, it isn't necessary >>>> to >>>> > embed the fonts in the image. >>>> > FreeType Plus looks for a folder named Fonts relative to >>>> the .image >>>> > file, and loads any fonts it finds from there. >>>> > >>>> > Putting the font file(s) into the Fonts folder has these >>>> advantages... >>>> > >>>> > 1.The image isn't bloated. (embedding a 20Mb font file would grow >>>> > the image by 20Mb) >>>> > So, the default font could be a large Unicode one, for example >>>> > >>>> > 2.Easier to create a one-click app for distribution. >>>> > >>>> > 3.Easier to install the font files into the OS so that other >>>> > applications can also use them. >>>> > >>>> > 4. Free fonts that don't allow embedding can be used (e.g. >>>> > Bitstream). This widens the choice of available free fonts. >>>> > >>>> > The advantage to embedding the font file in the image is that it >>>> > moves around with the .image file. >>>> > Which for a one-click app isn't really an advantage at all :) >>>> >>>> Cool! >>>> >>>> We should actually think about moving more data into files... for >>>> example, there are huge literal arrays >>>> in UCSTable's class side initialize methods that are only there for >>>> initializing the class a long time ago. >>>> These would not even be needed to be read on startup. >>>> >>>> Of course, this is violently against the "everything in the image" >>>> philosophy of Squeak... but I guess >>>> that any device one would want to run it on would have a >>>> filesystem of >>>> some sort. >>>> >>> Or there could be a call that reads it in and keeps it in the image. >>> Easy for people they want to have it in their image. >> >> FreeTypeFontProvider current embedFilesInDirectory: aDirectory >> will do this >> >>> >>> Norbert >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ****************************************************************************************************************************************** This email is from Pinesoft Limited. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient(s) at the email address(es) to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee(s), nor may it be copied in anyway. If received in error, please contact the sender, then delete it from your system. Although this email and attachments are believed to be free of virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Pinesoft for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ******************************************************************************************************************************************* Pinesoft Limited are registered in England, Registered number: 2914825. Registered office: 266-268 High Street, Waltham Cross, Herts, EN8 7EA

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] About Flap

by Marcus Denker

On 24.09.2008, at 20:14, Bill Schwab wrote: > Lukas, > > That's fine if my hands are on the keyboard, but if I have one on the > mouse (common when browsing), then (in Dolphin at least), I end up > either right clicking on a class in an open browser, or hitting a > toolbar button. For the more obscure tools, the shell menus (Tools) > do > the trick. Shortcuts are great, but we should also provide mouse- > based > options. > remember: there will be a menu, with a "tools" entry. And there will always be the world-menu (click on the backround). the flap is not faster in the number of clicks than a pulldown menu... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Sept. 24, 2008