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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe

by Adrian Lienhard

The new and easy way to load Seaside takes up to 10 steps (see below). We should try to make this even less painful in Pharo. I assume, having Universes pre-loaded will already reduce half of the steps, but how can it be further simplified? Adrian Begin forwarded message: > From: "Philippe Marschall" <philippe.marschall(a)gmail.com> > Date: September 24, 2008 10:21:16 PM GMT+02:00 > To: "Seaside - developer list" <seaside- > dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > Subject: [Seaside-dev] preliminary Seaside 2.9 alpha universe > Reply-To: Seaside - developer list <seaside-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > Hi > > Seaside 2.9 was always hard to load. We always said that we would fix > this and this is a preview of what we expect the solution to look > like. > > After some evaluation of what is available in Squeak we had only two > options, either start from scratch or use universes [1]. We decided to > give universes a shot. Universes is something like a debian > distribution universe for squeak. > > So how do you load this stuff: > 1. get Universes, if you don't already have it (3.10) > 1.1 get an XML parser [2] > 1.2 get universes [3] > 1.3 optionally the the OB universe browser [4] > 2. save the *.packages to your image directory > 3. load the attached .mcz > 4. evaluate UUniverse switchSystemToUniverse: UUniverse > seasideAndServers > 5. in the world menu open a "Universe Browser" either basic or > enhanced > 6. "update list from network" > 7. choose a distribution > 8. choose a server > > There are still some unsolved issues like the naming of alpha an beta > versions. We probably want website integration as well. One possible > change would be to move the tests to a separate tests category. > > [1] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3785 > [2] http://www.squeaksource.com/universes.html > [3] http://www.squeaksource.com/XMLSupport.html > [4] http://www.squeaksource.com/OBUniverse.html > > Cheers > Philippe > _______________________________________________ > seaside-dev mailing list > seaside-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] about preparing the first release

by Bill Schwab

Stef, Given a willingness to slip (either date or feature list) if the system is unstable, a deadline is great. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 09/24/08 4:08 PM >>> Hi guys I will work using the pinesoft etoy removal package. But it can take time to do that carefully since etoy put its fingers everywhere. Now I would really like that we define a date for the first release. I would really like to have something for maximum end of october. What about you? Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] about preparing the first release

by Adrian Lienhard

On Sep 24, 2008, at 22:08 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I will work using the pinesoft etoy removal package. > But it can take time to do that carefully since etoy put its fingers > everywhere. > Now I would really like that we define a date for the first release. > I would really like to have something for maximum end of october. > What about you? Sounds good. We should also think about if we do a beta phase before releasing and if we will maintain the most recent released version? I think if we continue making radical changes, we need to maintain the most recent stable release, that is, to apply critical bug fixes to it. And, what numbering scheme do we use? I'd suggest the common major.minor[.maintenance] scheme starting with "1.0". The first maintenance release then would be 1.0.1 and the following release would be 1.1 etc. An increase of the major digit would only be justified when fundamental changes are introduced (like image format change). Adrian

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] On Icons

by Lukas Renggli

> something I would love to have..... > is a means to know whether a method is defined in multiple class or only > the one I'm browsing. There is the annotation panel (to enable in the preferences) that shows this and other similar information. It slows everything down though. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype+Polymorph

by Bill Schwab

It includes a Linux VM with the shutdown prompt fix - MUCH appreciated, not to mention the packages that were the point of demo :) Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 09/24/08 3:57 PM >>> thanks for the report. I guess that marcus will look into that. I do not know how he made the one click precisely. Stef

Sept. 24, 2008

[Pharo-project] about preparing the first release

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys I will work using the pinesoft etoy removal package. But it can take time to do that carefully since etoy put its fingers everywhere. Now I would really like that we define a date for the first release. I would really like to have something for maximum end of october. What about you? Stef

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype+Polymorph

by Simon Kirk

Further to what I said earlier: it's not pasting from OSX - it was the string I copied in the "bare" image that would paste happily into the Pharo image. Cheers, S On 24 Sep 2008, at 20:57, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > thanks for the report. > I guess that marcus will look into that. I do not know how he made > the one click precisely. > > Stef > >>>> >> Well, I'm using the one-click image from this thread (from here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/7268/Pharo0.1-PolymorphTT.zip) >> , so I presume it's running a VM that gets packaged with it? >> Certainly when running an image "bare" I'm running it with the VM I >> have installed on the Mac, which is 3.8.18Beta3U, and copy and >> paste works fine there. >> >> However, I think when I'm running the one-click image, I'm running >> a VM packaged within? >> >> For comparison, here is the printit output from "SmalltalkImage >> current vmVersion" on an image run "standalone": 'Squeak3.8.1 of >> ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 3.8.18b3' >> >> And here's the printit output from the Pharo one-click linked >> above: 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] >> Pharo'. >> >> I don't know if that helps. >> >> Ah, now things get extra weird! Copy and paste has *literally just* >> started working. I have seen this before. Perhaps it's because I >> tried a copy and paste on the "bare" image, then on Pharo? I can't >> say for sure what the conditions are yet, but perhaps somebody else >> has seen it. >> >> Either way, Gary definitely saw the same behaviour earlier today >> over my shoulder so he can confirm I'm not going mad :) >> >> >>>> I'm not sure if I'm repeating an earlier bug report here, or >>>> something already known, sorry if I am. >>>> >>>> Other than that, the image is looking really good :) >>> >>> >>> :) >>> >>> I want more :) I want that when I open a class browser it looks >>> really cool :) >> >> Amen to that! :) >> >> S >> >> ****************************************************************************************************************************************** >> This email is from Pinesoft Limited. Its contents are confidential >> to the intended recipient(s) at the email address(es) to which it >> has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone >> other than the addressee(s), nor may it be copied in anyway. If >> received in error, please contact the sender, then delete it from >> your system. Although this email and attachments are believed to be >> free of virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer >> or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the >> responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free >> and no responsibility is accepted by Pinesoft for any loss or >> damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. >> ******************************************************************************************************************************************* >> >> >> Pinesoft Limited are registered in England, Registered number: >> 2914825. Registered office: 266-268 High Street, Waltham Cross, >> Herts, EN8 7EA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ****************************************************************************************************************************************** This email is from Pinesoft Limited. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient(s) at the email address(es) to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee(s), nor may it be copied in anyway. If received in error, please contact the sender, then delete it from your system. Although this email and attachments are believed to be free of virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Pinesoft for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ******************************************************************************************************************************************* Pinesoft Limited are registered in England, Registered number: 2914825. Registered office: 266-268 High Street, Waltham Cross, Herts, EN8 7EA

Sept. 24, 2008

[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10075

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I removed ComponentLikeModel. Tomorrow morning we will applied our tools on pharo and start to fix package cycles. Stef going to bed :)

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANN] Demo with both Truetype+Polymorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks for the report. I guess that marcus will look into that. I do not know how he made the one click precisely. Stef >>> > Well, I'm using the one-click image from this thread (from here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/7268/Pharo0.1-PolymorphTT.zip) > , so I presume it's running a VM that gets packaged with it? > Certainly when running an image "bare" I'm running it with the VM I > have installed on the Mac, which is 3.8.18Beta3U, and copy and paste > works fine there. > > However, I think when I'm running the one-click image, I'm running a > VM packaged within? > > For comparison, here is the printit output from "SmalltalkImage > current vmVersion" on an image run "standalone": 'Squeak3.8.1 of > ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 3.8.18b3' > > And here's the printit output from the Pharo one-click linked > above: 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Pharo'. > > I don't know if that helps. > > Ah, now things get extra weird! Copy and paste has *literally just* > started working. I have seen this before. Perhaps it's because I > tried a copy and paste on the "bare" image, then on Pharo? I can't > say for sure what the conditions are yet, but perhaps somebody else > has seen it. > > Either way, Gary definitely saw the same behaviour earlier today > over my shoulder so he can confirm I'm not going mad :) > > >>> I'm not sure if I'm repeating an earlier bug report here, or >>> something already known, sorry if I am. >>> >>> Other than that, the image is looking really good :) >> >> >> :) >> >> I want more :) I want that when I open a class browser it looks >> really cool :) > > Amen to that! :) > > S > > ****************************************************************************************************************************************** > This email is from Pinesoft Limited. Its contents are confidential > to the intended recipient(s) at the email address(es) to which it > has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone > other than the addressee(s), nor may it be copied in anyway. If > received in error, please contact the sender, then delete it from > your system. Although this email and attachments are believed to be > free of virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer > or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the > responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free > and no responsibility is accepted by Pinesoft for any loss or damage > arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. > ******************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > Pinesoft Limited are registered in England, Registered number: > 2914825. Registered office: 266-268 High Street, Waltham Cross, > Herts, EN8 7EA > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 24, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] possible TODOs...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes I saw Now I imagine that we want to get rid of Project too. I ask because I was looking at EmbeddedWorld.... Stef >> > no. I only purged the data, which means it does not load anymore. > (there is a fix for that on the bugtracker). > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 24, 2008