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[Pharo-project] some minor tuning

by John M McIntosh

I posted lessMethodSendsInFontUsage-JMM.4.cs to http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=2144 to avoid excessive msg sends to font data entities as you resolve what to do character by character. Most of the changes described in #2144 were in Pharo but not all. I see we still do the forgetAllGrabCommandsFrom: dance across all objects in the image at startup time, not sure if this issue was ever resolved. Lastly I note PluggableListMorph>>getList runs quite a bit when we display a browser window. I'm wondering here if there should be a subclass where you know the list elements are strings and you just make a copy of the collection, versus doing a collect: asStringOrText -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

Nov. 5, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] A True Pluggable Look-and-Feel

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is good but now the key question is how can we have a chance to produce something when nobody is payed for making pharo cool. At the end of the day this is the real question. So may be if we could reuse what vassili is doing while we still can do it is also interesting. Stef On Nov 5, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > see http://blog.3plus4.org/2008/11/04/a-true-pluggable-look-and-feel/ > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit > allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 5, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] A True Pluggable Look-and-Feel

by Gary Chambers

Pretty cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Torsten Bergmann" <astares(a)gmx.de> To: <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] [OT] A True Pluggable Look-and-Feel > see http://blog.3plus4.org/2008/11/04/a-true-pluggable-look-and-feel/ > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 5, 2008

[Pharo-project] FreeType

by Gary Chambers

Hi all. Using the latest FreeType (admittedly on a 3.9 image, though probably generally applicable) we are noticing quite a lot of cache thrash, meaning that the low-level glyph rendering is happening quite often. Really noticeable on slow machines (our deployment target has 800MHz processors). Was wondering if it might me a good idea to move the cached form rendering into a plugin (lots of bit manipulation in Squeak code loops)? We've stabilised thing for the moment by hanging onto the LogicalFonts used and modifying the real font lookup to reuse existing matches and switching to CRT mode (3 times quicker). First use of glyphs at varying subpixel positions miss the cache though. Regards, Gary.

Nov. 5, 2008

[Pharo-project] [OT] A True Pluggable Look-and-Feel

by Torsten Bergmann

see http://blog.3plus4.org/2008/11/04/a-true-pluggable-look-and-feel/ -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger

Nov. 5, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] KI diff package

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks. I'm a bit swamped by work these days. stef On Nov 4, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > This package > http://squeak.cz/public/pub/KernelImage/temp/Remove-pavel_krivanek.1.mcz > contains classes and methods that were removed in the KernelImage > variant with Morphic but without Etoys. > > It may be used as referential material during Etoys removing. KI > renames most of class initialization methods so they figure here as > removed ones. > > -- Pavel > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:37 PM, David Mitchell <david.mitchell(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Since a 1.0 release is likely to get attention, maybe would be wise to > integrate Polymorph+TT beforehand? Look at the very first message in this thread or at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Milestones. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

Nov. 4, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by David Mitchell

Since a 1.0 release is likely to get attention, maybe would be wise to integrate Polymorph+TT beforehand? On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: >> sure, that would be nice. However, I would wait until a bit later when we >> have Polymorph + TT. > > Make sense yes. > > Alexandre > >> >> On Nov 4, 2008, at 18:05 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >>> What about having short screencasts that show basic steps such as class >>> and method creation, using the debugger,... >>> >>> I have SnapZPro, I could make up some >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> On 4 Nov 2008, at 10:38, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Matthias, >>>> >>>> yes, that would be very useful (I added it to the wiki)! >>>> Can you help with this? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Adrian >>>> >>>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:52 , Matthias Berth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Adrian, >>>>> >>>>> how about some getting started information - inside the image and on a >>>>> web page? What would be useful for beginners? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Matthias >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Last week in Bern, Marcus, Stef, and I have been discussing a plan for >>>>>> a >>>>>> first release of Pharo. Overall, the goal is to produce a valuable, >>>>>> stable >>>>>> "product" within reasonable time. Is there anything important we >>>>>> missed? Any >>>>>> suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Integrate Polymorph >>>>>> Integrate TrueType >>>>>> Main EToys removal >>>>>> Refactor Traits API >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> NON-FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> All tests green >>>>>> License clean (check OLPC changes) >>>>>> First consistent version of the website (work in progress) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> INFRASTRUCTURE >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Increase efficiency of producing new updates (work in progress) >>>>>> Prepare second update stream to maintain released version >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> TENTATIVE SCHEDULE >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Going beta in January >>>>>> Release of version 1.0 in February >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Adrian >>>>>> ___________________ >>>>>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 4, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Alexandre Bergel

> sure, that would be nice. However, I would wait until a bit later > when we have Polymorph + TT. Make sense yes. Alexandre > > On Nov 4, 2008, at 18:05 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> What about having short screencasts that show basic steps such as >> class and method creation, using the debugger,... >> >> I have SnapZPro, I could make up some >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> On 4 Nov 2008, at 10:38, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> >>> Hi Matthias, >>> >>> yes, that would be very useful (I added it to the wiki)! >>> Can you help with this? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Adrian >>> >>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:52 , Matthias Berth wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Adrian, >>>> >>>> how about some getting started information - inside the image and >>>> on a >>>> web page? What would be useful for beginners? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Matthias >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Last week in Bern, Marcus, Stef, and I have been discussing a >>>>> plan for a >>>>> first release of Pharo. Overall, the goal is to produce a >>>>> valuable, stable >>>>> "product" within reasonable time. Is there anything important we >>>>> missed? Any >>>>> suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> Integrate Polymorph >>>>> Integrate TrueType >>>>> Main EToys removal >>>>> Refactor Traits API >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NON-FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> All tests green >>>>> License clean (check OLPC changes) >>>>> First consistent version of the website (work in progress) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> INFRASTRUCTURE >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> Increase efficiency of producing new updates (work in progress) >>>>> Prepare second update stream to maintain released version >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> TENTATIVE SCHEDULE >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> Going beta in January >>>>> Release of version 1.0 in February >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Adrian >>>>> ___________________ >>>>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Nov. 4, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.0 release plan

by Adrian Lienhard

sure, that would be nice. However, I would wait until a bit later when we have Polymorph + TT. Adrian On Nov 4, 2008, at 18:05 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > What about having short screencasts that show basic steps such as > class and method creation, using the debugger,... > > I have SnapZPro, I could make up some > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > On 4 Nov 2008, at 10:38, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > >> Hi Matthias, >> >> yes, that would be very useful (I added it to the wiki)! >> Can you help with this? >> >> Cheers, >> Adrian >> >> On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:52 , Matthias Berth wrote: >> >>> Hi Adrian, >>> >>> how about some getting started information - inside the image and >>> on a >>> web page? What would be useful for beginners? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Matthias >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Last week in Bern, Marcus, Stef, and I have been discussing a >>>> plan for a >>>> first release of Pharo. Overall, the goal is to produce a >>>> valuable, stable >>>> "product" within reasonable time. Is there anything important we >>>> missed? Any >>>> suggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Integrate Polymorph >>>> Integrate TrueType >>>> Main EToys removal >>>> Refactor Traits API >>>> >>>> >>>> NON-FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> All tests green >>>> License clean (check OLPC changes) >>>> First consistent version of the website (work in progress) >>>> >>>> >>>> INFRASTRUCTURE >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Increase efficiency of producing new updates (work in progress) >>>> Prepare second update stream to maintain released version >>>> >>>> >>>> TENTATIVE SCHEDULE >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Going beta in January >>>> Release of version 1.0 in February >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Adrian >>>> ___________________ >>>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2008