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Re: [Pharo-project] Russification

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

This is strange since I do not remember that we remove it. I would really to see how we can harvest the change related to unicode support done in Etoy40. Now I do not have expertise in that area. Stef > > > What I use: > > SmalltalkImage current vmVersion 'Squeak3.9 of 7 November > 2006 [latest update: #7067]' > "About Squeak on Win32" 'Squeak 3.10.6 > (release) from Aug 30 2007' > Size of Squeak.exe is 985600 bytes... > > This VM is fine. I'm using it on windows xp with russian support > enabled. > > > pharo0.1-10193dev08.12.2.image > bunch of DLLs new VM including freetype6.dl > > > So far I see windows fonts in preferences. > > Now I try Locale switchToID: (LocaleID isoLanguage: 'ru'). > > This throws an exception in StrikeFont class >> > setupDefaultFallbackFont (no #Accuat #Accujen #Accula etc. in the > system). > I just comment that out and go on. An exception in PainBoxMorph > class >> localeChanged. The same 'decision'. > So far, locale seems to be russian... > > I assume these workarounds are also fine, if you are able to enter > Russian text. However I don't see UTFClipboardInterpeter in Pharo, > so you should have a problem with copy/paste. You can fileout it > from squeak 3.9 though. > > Then I change fonts to one from windows (I tried Arial, Courier New, > Times New Roman). > > After that I open workspace (having font there changed) and 'print > it': > > file := MultiByteFileStream fileNamed: 'c:\Home\chaetal\Work\Pharo > \russian\russian.txt'. > [file contents] ensure: [file close]. > > MultiByteFileStream doesn't know the encoding of the file and it > uses system encoding as its best guess. 'TextConverter > defaultSystemConverter' should yield ->an UTF8TextConverter in your > case. If it does not - you may try to set an instance of > UTF8TextConverter as a converter for MultiByteFileStream (instance > side API). > > > (where russian.txt is UTF-8 file with russian text). > > This gives me a bunch of question marks... :( > > Now these marks. To display Russian text you have to enable unicode > font in places where you'd like to see it. For panes it is probably > 'default text font' which needs to be set. You did it, right? Do you > see, let's say, text rendered with Arial font in newly created > workspaces? > > regards, > Danil > > > Switching on 'useLocale' preference gives a bit different locale id > ('ru-RU') but the test with russian file still fails. > > I also tried to start Pharo with '-encoding UTF-8 -textenc UTF-8' > keys. Than it simply hangs... > > Advices at > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5773 > don't help either... > > > Thank you for help in advance... > > > I've heard there's new VM? Where can I get it? > > -- > Dennis Schetinin > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] FreeType scanning Font folders

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

would be nice indeed. Stef On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 14.12.2008, at 12:02, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I am preparing a new istoa public release with latest Pharo. I am >> only >> using two fonts and I would like FreeType to only scan the Font >> folder >> along the .image. >> Can someone point me where to look to prevent FreeType scanning the >> host system folders at start up? >> > > The font reading is done in FreeTypeFontProvider class>>startUp: > > I really don't like this font scanning... I wonder if we can delay > that somehow. > e.g. to the point where the font-chooser is actually opened? > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch > http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] IRC channel reminder

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

so may be we should put the channel on a website else I will never remember. Stef On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:10 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> I don't believe IRC can be a time waster at all. I think it is >> one of the better ways to develop goodwill inside the community. >> People tend to be somewhat impressed when they casually mention >> a problem on irc and a developer can fix it in 5 minutes, and >> tell them how to load the fix, and get some immediate feedback. >> This happened very many times in the development of MC. >> >> Keith and I use IRC to do pair programming and hash out ideas >> all the time. We do this in public so that anyone can join in >> and offer ideas > > I confirm. I did that with Keith and then with Gary and it was very > productive. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] where should we load from Smacc

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok thanks. Just a question is this one? not old and without bugs :) On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On 14.12.2008, at 22:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi marcus >> >> Apparently Smacc is not in the latest pharo. > > Yes... it was an old version with bugs and it's not used in the core. > So I think it's better to not have it there. > >> >> Where should I load it because moose needs it. >> > > http://www.squeaksource.com/SmaccDevelopment/SmaCC-lr.13.mcz > > > Marcus > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Russification

by Dennis Schetinin

> > SmalltalkImage current vmVersion 'Squeak3.9 of 7 November 2006 >> [latest update: #7067]' >> "About Squeak on Win32" 'Squeak 3.10.6 (release) from >> Aug 30 2007' >> Size of Squeak.exe is 985600 bytes... > > > This VM is fine. I'm using it on windows xp with russian support enabled. > I forgot to mention --- I use Window Vista... if it matters > > Now I try Locale switchToID: (LocaleID isoLanguage: 'ru'). >> >> This throws an exception in StrikeFont class >> setupDefaultFallbackFont >> (no #Accuat #Accujen #Accula etc. in the system). >> I just comment that out and go on. > > An exception in PainBoxMorph class >> localeChanged. The same 'decision'. >> So far, locale seems to be russian... >> > I assume these workarounds are also fine, if you are able to enter Russian > text. > I take it I'm not. Russian input maps to 'usual' symbols... And I just understood the function: russian 'a' maps to '0', the next ('Ð±') to 1 etc... However I don't see UTFClipboardInterpeter in Pharo, so you should have a > problem with copy/paste. You can fileout it from squeak 3.9 though. > It's the problem to be solved hereafter... > Then I change fonts to one from windows (I tried Arial, Courier New, Times >> New Roman). >> >> After that I open workspace (having font there changed) and 'print it': >> >> file := MultiByteFileStream fileNamed: >> 'c:\Home\chaetal\Work\Pharo\russian\russian.txt'. >> [file contents] ensure: [file close]. >> > > MultiByteFileStream doesn't know the encoding of the file and it uses > system encoding as its best guess. 'TextConverter defaultSystemConverter' > should yield ->an UTF8TextConverter in your case. If it does not - you may > try to set an instance of UTF8TextConverter as a converter for > MultiByteFileStream (instance side API). > Ivar 'converter' in the stream is set to 'an UTF8TextConverter', so it's ok here. > > (where russian.txt is UTF-8 file with russian text). >> >> This gives me a bunch of question marks... :( >> > > Now these marks. To display Russian text you have to enable unicode font in > places where you'd like to see it. For panes it is probably 'default text > font' which needs to be set. You did it, right? Do you see, let's say, text > rendered with Arial font in newly created workspaces? > Yes, I open new Workspace after selecting default text font and see it correctly... but russian symbols from the file (btw, latin symbols from that files are ok). ...I debugged the process of reading file (file contents) and discovered there is no LanguageEnvironment for russian in the image. So Unicode class >> value: give probably incorrect result. Is that the actual problem? -- Dennis Schetinin

Dec. 15, 2008

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [INRIAGforge] 16 Dec 2008 : Scheduled dowtime

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Begin forwarded message: > From: <noreply(a)gforge.inria.fr> > Date: December 15, 2008 6:43:51 PM CEST > To: stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > Subject: [INRIAGforge] 16 Dec 2008 : Scheduled dowtime > > Bonjour, > Nous vous rappelons que le service INRIA gforge sera momentanÃ©ment > indisponible demain de 9H Ã 10H30 pour prendre en compte nos derniÃ¨res > modifications du noyau systÃ¨me. > > Voici pour information, les modifications rÃ©alisÃ©es durant la > migration du 4 DÃ©cembre : > - mise Ã jour du systÃ¨me d'exploitation qui n'Ã©tait plus supportÃ© > (impliquant la mise Ã jour en php 5 et subversion 1.4) > - extension des espaces disques arrivÃ©s Ã saturation > - amÃ©liorations des performances systÃ¨me > - restructuration systÃ¨me pour sÃ©curiser le service > - mise en place de shell restreint dÃ©brayable sur demande motivÃ©e > - utilisations des boitiers de filtrage anti-spam INRIA > > Nous avons rencontrÃ© un problÃ¨me de paramÃ©trage du serveur > hÃ©bergeant les dÃ©pÃ´ts aprÃ¨s la migration : cela a Ã©tÃ© rÃ©solu le > lundi 8 dÃ©cembre a 17h > > Merci pour votre comprÃ©hension, > l'Ã©quipe transversale INRIA. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hello, > We remind you that the service GForge INRIA will be temporarily > unavailable tomorrow from 9am to 10:30 to apply our last changes in > the > system kernel. > > For your information, changes made during migration of 4th December : > - Update operating system no longer supported (php 5 and subversion > 1.4) > - Extension of spaces disc reached saturation > - Improvements in system performance > - Restructuring the system to secure service > - Integration of restricted shell disengaged if requested > - Use of INRIA anti-spam filtering > > We had a problem setting of server hosting code repositories, > resolved Monday 8th December at 17h. > > Thank you for your understanding, > > Team INRIA GForge. >

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Russification

by danil osipchuk

Dennis hi Unfortunately I do not have enough time to look at this deeply, but anyway - see below... 2008/12/15 Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> > Hi all! > > I'm trying to "localize" Pharo to be able to see and to type in russian > letters. After (already many) hours I have no progress. > > Here details go... > > What I use: > > SmalltalkImage current vmVersion 'Squeak3.9 of 7 November 2006 > [latest update: #7067]' > "About Squeak on Win32" 'Squeak 3.10.6 (release) from > Aug 30 2007' > Size of Squeak.exe is 985600 bytes... This VM is fine. I'm using it on windows xp with russian support enabled. > > > pharo0.1-10193dev08.12.2.image > bunch of DLLs new VM including freetype6.dl > > > So far I see windows fonts in preferences. > Now I try Locale switchToID: (LocaleID isoLanguage: 'ru'). > > This throws an exception in StrikeFont class >> setupDefaultFallbackFont > (no #Accuat #Accujen #Accula etc. in the system). > I just comment that out and go on. An exception in PainBoxMorph class >> localeChanged. The same 'decision'. > So far, locale seems to be russian... > I assume these workarounds are also fine, if you are able to enter Russian text. However I don't see UTFClipboardInterpeter in Pharo, so you should have a problem with copy/paste. You can fileout it from squeak 3.9 though. > > Then I change fonts to one from windows (I tried Arial, Courier New, Times > New Roman). > > After that I open workspace (having font there changed) and 'print it': > > file := MultiByteFileStream fileNamed: > 'c:\Home\chaetal\Work\Pharo\russian\russian.txt'. > [file contents] ensure: [file close]. > MultiByteFileStream doesn't know the encoding of the file and it uses system encoding as its best guess. 'TextConverter defaultSystemConverter' should yield ->an UTF8TextConverter in your case. If it does not - you may try to set an instance of UTF8TextConverter as a converter for MultiByteFileStream (instance side API). > (where russian.txt is UTF-8 file with russian text). > > This gives me a bunch of question marks... :( > Now these marks. To display Russian text you have to enable unicode font in places where you'd like to see it. For panes it is probably 'default text font' which needs to be set. You did it, right? Do you see, let's say, text rendered with Arial font in newly created workspaces? regards, Danil > Switching on 'useLocale' preference gives a bit different locale id > ('ru-RU') but the test with russian file still fails. > > I also tried to start Pharo with '-encoding UTF-8 -textenc UTF-8' keys. > Than it simply hangs... > > Advices at > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5773 > don't help either... > > > Thank you for help in advance... > > > I've heard there's new VM? Where can I get it? > > -- > Dennis Schetinin > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] public web site

by Marcus Denker

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Stefan Schmiedl <s(a)xss.de> wrote: > >> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:26:01 +0100 >> StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> > But the web site for pharo is going public - still a bit beta. >> >> "The version 1.0 is under heavy development. We have produced over 180 >> updates and have closed over 220 issues so far (as of end of Nov. 2009)." >> >> blimey ... that year went by so fast, I didn't even notice it. >> >> About > Organization: >> "The community is composed of open source contributors who have signed >> the license agreement which can be found on the code development site." >> >> Another fine chance for adding a link, IMO. >> > > The problem is that links are a bit hard to with the tool we use... > Adrian fixed it. There is now a box to the right with the links. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Which VM to run Pharso? (was: New pharo-dev based on 10193)

by Bill Schwab

FWIW, I found that recent Pharo images did not work on XP until I grabbed a recent VM. I was using something quite old (3.7??) and switched to the 3.10 VM and suddenly everthing worked. I have _no_ idea where the cutoff is, nor can I say what the best choice would be. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch 12/15/2008 9:30 AM >>> Which VM should I use, and where can I find it? I have been using Squeak 3.8.12beta4U.app - on On Dec 15, 2008, at 14:20, Damien Cassou wrote: > You could try with the latest VM from John or contact Andrew. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 15, 2008

Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph sound theme

by Bill Schwab

Please consider that it's not just your development environment - it is (or probably should be) the framework for my future users' desktop applications. Sounds are a part of life; the default can certainly be null, void and quiet. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> ramon.leon(a)allresnet.com 12/15/2008 11:12 AM >>> > I also never use sound (imagine an office with 5 people each > playing a > sound when opening a browser window ;)). > If there is sound I would turn it off by default. > > Adrian Ditto. I need nor want sound from my programming environment. Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Dec. 15, 2008