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Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Gary Chambers

----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues > > > Thanks for the feedback > >> There are a couple of issues I stumbled across in Pharo and I thought >> of reporting them: >> >> - When loading Pier and Seaside there were some Warnings related to >> some instance variables that blocked the loading. This is a rather >> strange behavior, especially given that they are warnings. I would >> rather prefer to have the list of warnings presented to me at the end >> because like this I can have the code loading without me needing to >> pay attention. > > can you be more precise, what is the message? > >> - Apple+B does not work on methods anymore. > > Yes > Apple-N neither on method list > >> >> >> - Apple+W does not close the window. It seems that the outside window >> never gets the focus it needs to act on this shortcut. >> >> - Spawning a browser takes quite a long time. >> >> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? > > yes it should :) This is due to the keboard focus handling. I can add the Cmd+W to do that (currently Cmd+Delete will close the window with focus). > >> >> >> >> Otherwise, it looks really nice :) >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every successful trip needs a suitable vehicle." >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by Gary Chambers

Load the Polymorph-TaskbarIcons package for different icons for (some) tools. I could add a taskbarTaskLabel method that could be used to return an abbreviated version of the window titles... Regards, Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francois Stephany" <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> To: <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes > Hi Gary, > > Thanks for Polymorph, it does a very good job when showing Squeak/Pharo > to Smalltalk-advert people... > > A thing that i find clumsy with watery is the taskbar. There is no way > to distinguish Browsers/workspace/other windows. The original Squeak > uses different colors for that. Maybe the icon displayed in the bar > could tell the type of the window instead of the generic one currently > used. > > Another annoying thing is the title of OB browser: 'OB Package browser: > theClassCurrentlyBrowsed'. As the buttons in the taskbar are too small > to display the whole title, we end up with many 'OB Packag...' buttons. > I use a tiny patch to get rid of that (see the joined changeset). > > Cheers, > > Francois > > Gary Chambers a Ã©crit : >> Anything that anyone thinks could be improved? >> Happy to consider things... just would be nice to have a central point >> for >> moving forward with Polymorph (in particular) or other tools... >> >> There is a possibility of open-source release of the PackageListTool >> (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12018791@N06/2616669616/in/set-721576016593932…) >> if there is any interest. >> >> Regards, Gary. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 'From Pharo0.1 of 16 May 2008 [Latest update: #10211] on 30 January 2009 > at 11:41:18 pm'! > > !OBBrowser methodsFor: 'callbacks' stamp: 'francoisstephany 1/30/2009 > 23:40'! > labelString > | label | > label := self navigationPanel labelString. > ^label > ifNil: [self defaultLabel] > ifNotNil: [label printString ]! ! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would love to have on mac left most button 1 select right most button menu right most + ctrl or shit -> halos stef On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Damien Cassou wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? >>> yes it should :) >> >> Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. > > so what mouse button mappings do we want on each platform for 1, 2 > and 3 > button mice? Although I don't think a lot of people still use 3 > button mice. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Michael Rueger

Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? >> yes it should :) > > Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. so what mouse button mappings do we want on each platform for 1, 2 and 3 button mice? Although I don't think a lot of people still use 3 button mice. Michael

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Adrian Lienhard

On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:16 , Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? >> >> yes it should :) > > Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. Right. I think best would be that if the preferences is not explicitly set the behavior depends on the current OS. Adrian

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] a couple of issues

by Damien Cassou

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> - Why is mouse swap preference not enabled by default? > > yes it should :) Not sure because this will annoy users of MS Windows. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Using pharo in a course?

by Serge Stinckwich

2009/1/30 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Btw if you use pharo please let us know because this is important for > us that we list such use > and also the companies. I already use Pharo for a robotic course in december 2008. The link for the course is : http://www1.ifi.auf.org/mediawiki/index.php/Introduction_%C3%A0_la_robotiqu… -- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 31, 2009

[Pharo-project] Etoy removal next

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > > > Hi > > I worked in the train on removing more etoy classes and I will > produce a release today. > > StakcMorph > ScriptTableButton > UnscriptedPlayer > UniClassSupport in Object class > > Stef > > >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

on mac os 9.0 :) Stef On Jan 31, 2009, at 1:29 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > 2009/1/31 Michael Rueger <m.rueger(a)acm.org>: >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On my machine I get: >>> >>> Squeak 3.9: 3800ms >>> Pharo #084: 2950ms >>> Pharo #213: 5200ms >>> >>> #084 is before Polymorph was added and #213 is the most recent >>> version. >>> >>> BTW, with OB: 8590ms. >> >> ouch... >> >> any obvious hotspots? >> > > i think its not very fair to compare OB with old browser. You need > more cycles to draw icons for methods, show categories in tree, not in > a simple list etc. etc. > If you want a real 'ouch' then compare it with MVC browser :) > >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 31, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> We used to measure GUI performance with the "Browser-Bench": > > time _ 0. > saveMorphs _ self currentWorld submorphs. > 5 timesRepeat:[ > self currentWorld removeAllMorphs. "heh, heh" > time _ time + (Time millisecondsToRun: > [ > 1 to: 10 do: [:i | Browser fullOnClass: SystemDictionary selector: > #abandonSources]. > self currentWorld submorphs do: [:m | m delete. self currentWorld > doOneCycle]]). > ]. > self currentWorld addAllMorphs: saveMorphs. > time/5 asFloat "print it" > > > On my machine I get: > > Squeak 3.9: 3800ms > Pharo #084: 2950ms > Pharo #213: 5200ms > > #084 is before Polymorph was added and #213 is the most recent > version. > > BTW, with OB: 8590ms. Thanks for kicking our asses. Stef

Jan. 31, 2009