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Re: [Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by Geert

What happens with the requirements () which are not marked with (x) to be included in milestone version 1.0? Or are the (x) mandatory release requirements and () optional? If the "default in-image font(s)" requirement is possible it may be a good idea since it is all part of the first impression. Anyhow, great job so far is all I can say :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Towards-Pharo-1.0-tp2373983p2374656.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by Adrian Lienhard

Notification seems to work very well with Google Code. I think, by default you get mail notifications for issues that you created or that you are in CC or that you starred (by clicking on the star). You can change this if you log in and go to Settings. I also subscribed to the RSS feed to monitor all changes to issues and wiki pages. Cheers, Adrian On Feb 23, 2009, at 21:48 , Michael Rueger wrote: > Marcus Denker wrote: > >> of a report can help a lot in these situations. But they don't. I >> have >> *no clue* why. > > First a mea culpa, I'm one of those on occasions... > > One problem is (was?) notification. > > When you signed up for notifications from the Squeak bug tracker you > got > drowned in emails to the point where I just filtered them to the trash > unread, thus never seeing any updates even on my own reports. > > If there is a reasonably easy way to be only notified when > "interesting" > bug reports are changed (or set up email filters), that would go a > long > way IMHO. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Which Mondrian ?

by David RÃ¶thlisberger

Hi CÃ©drick, > As I need to draw a PERT diagram, I decided to give Mondrian a try. > > I had a version (ported by Lukas [1]) used in OB which I started to > use and read doc (code doc :) ). And I saw that Alexandre (Bergel) is > working on improving another version [2]. > > So, which one to use (knowing that I use OB) ? I think there are > differences... I will port the visualizations used in OB to the latest version Alex is working on, as soon as he finished his work. Thus in the long run, OB will use Alex' version of Mondrian which is (imo) still loosely based on the version Lukas originally ported from VW. So I suggest you to use the latest version of Mondrian on Squeaksource for new projects. Alex can tell you more about its status. David

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by Michael Rueger

Marcus Denker wrote: > of a report can help a lot in these situations. But they don't. I have > *no clue* why. First a mea culpa, I'm one of those on occasions... One problem is (was?) notification. When you signed up for notifications from the Squeak bug tracker you got drowned in emails to the point where I just filtered them to the trash unread, thus never seeing any updates even on my own reports. If there is a reasonably easy way to be only notified when "interesting" bug reports are changed (or set up email filters), that would go a long way IMHO. Michael

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by Marcus Denker

On 23.02.2009, at 20:45, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi all, > > Marcus, Stef and I have been meeting today and we discussed how to > proceed for the first release (version 1.0). One note to everyone who submitted a bugreport... no, note at the end of the mail. First a story. In Squeak, people submitted lots of improvements and bugs, first with the funky [TAGS] to the list, later via the bugtracker. But then, a curious thing happened: they never, ever, looked at that bug-report again. Maybe the image side code changed, and the submission needed a trivial change so that the changeset could be loaded. Or there was some question posted by a harvester. Or after 1000 applied changesets, there might be the possibility that a bug is already fixed. Kind of obvious, that the submitter of a report can help a lot in these situations. But they don't. I have *no clue* why. In the end, I closed lots (really lots!) of entries in Squeak over the years after a question to the original submitter was not anwered after 1 year(!) of waiting. I really wonder what the problem was... the submitter cared a lot when submitting the bug or improvement in the first place. But then, just answering a question or re-do a changeset (maybe 30min of work for the original author) was too much... a mystery. Thus: As we are nearing 1.0, I kindly ask everyone who submitted something to look at the report. Maybe you can make it easier to have it integrated? e.g. exactly describing the action needed is better than making it a riddle (some people think that it is a sign of intelligence to not give the solution to a problem after describing the cause). A changeset (or mcz) is the best. Even for a one-line triviality. You reported a bug half a year ago? Try to recreate it and add a comment: This is still a problem in #10243 and the way I re-created the problem is this. In the end, the question is: If you don't care, why should we? Marcus - Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by Michael Rueger

Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Hi all, > > Marcus, Stef and I have been meeting today and we discussed how to > proceed for the first release (version 1.0). On the issue tracker we > tagged issues that we think should be fixed with "milestone-1.0". See > the following list: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?q=milestone:1.0 > > If we missed something critical, please let us know. I would vote for the full unicode support. I'm currently battling with ParagraphEditor and friends (don't ask...), but I think we are getting there. I will look at Andreas fixes in that area and integrate them into my changes as well. Michael

Feb. 23, 2009

[Pharo-project] Towards Pharo 1.0

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi all, Marcus, Stef and I have been meeting today and we discussed how to proceed for the first release (version 1.0). On the issue tracker we tagged issues that we think should be fixed with "milestone-1.0". See the following list: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?q=milestone:1.0 If we missed something critical, please let us know. Furthermore, we updated the high-level milestones list that is on the wiki (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Milestones) The most notable change is that we removed Alien FFI and moved it to milestone 1.1. FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS â¢ (x) Integrate Polymorph â¢ (x) Integrate TrueType? â¢ (x) Refactor Traits API â¢ ( ) default in-image font(s) â¢ ( ) Main EToys removal, reorganize MorphicExtras?- â¢ ( ) Package management system with stable and unstable distributions â¢ ( ) Remove SqueakMap? and Installer from core NON-FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS â¢ (x) First consistent version of the website â¢ ( ) All tests green â¢ ( ) Clean up package and class category organization â¢ ( ) License clean (check OLPC changes) â¢ ( ) Pharo one-click image (including developer tools, GettingStarted information, screenshots, ...) â¢ ( ) New sources file INFRASTRUCTURE â¢ (x) Increase efficiency of producing new updates â¢ ( ) Prepare second update stream to maintain released version Cheers, Adrian ___________________ http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Hilaire Fernandes

Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus seems too short of 1 or 2 pixels)? I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example. It does not show up in #194 however. Hilaire 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> > On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird >> > with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better >> > in pharo than in gnome :) >> > >> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it >> using old font height to calculate line heights. >> > If I would have changed the font after opening the window I couldn't > see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. > You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough > space through the big line height. In the class browser it is somehow > cut off. > > Norbert > > >> >> > screenshot is attached. >> > >> > Norbert >> > >> > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and Free- >> >> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who brought us >> >> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika as the >> >> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and looks a >> >> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same time >> >> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika >> >> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in southeastern >> >> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >> >> >> >> Have a look: >> >> [2] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >> >> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >> >> >> >> JÃ©rÃ´me >> >> >> >> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Norbert Hartl

On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: > 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird > > with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better > > in pharo than in gnome :) > > > seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it > using old font height to calculate line heights. > If I would have changed the font after opening the window I couldn't see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window. You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough space through the big line height. In the class browser it is somehow cut off. Norbert > > > screenshot is attached. > > > > Norbert > > > > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and Free- > >> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who brought us > >> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika as the > >> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and looks a > >> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same time > >> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika > >> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in southeastern > >> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". > >> > >> Have a look: > >> [2] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika > >> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png > >> > >> JÃ©rÃ´me > >> > >> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo

by Igor Stasenko

2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird > with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better > in pharo than in gnome :) > seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And it using old font height to calculate line heights. > screenshot is attached. > > Norbert > > On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, JÃ©rÃ´me wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and Free- >> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who brought us >> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika as the >> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and looks a >> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the same time >> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the Andika >> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in southeastern >> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!". >> >> Have a look: >> [2] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika >> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png >> >> JÃ©rÃ´me >> >> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Feb. 23, 2009