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[Pharo-project] Preference Implementation collaboration ? (Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] Preference pragmas)

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de> Date: 2009/3/5 Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] Preference pragmas To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Igor Stasenko wrote: > > http://n2.nabble.com/Preference-refactoring-again-tt2403814.html Oh. That is indeed quite similar. Two comments: * There is really no need to specify a #setter: in the pragma - the name of the setter can be derived from the getter (read-only preferences would be pointless, no? ;-) * There is really no need to specify the default explicitly - it can be derived from the current value when the preference is registered. Other than that it looks good. It would be trivial to adjust my version to use this pragma pattern but I would still prefer it if we could collaborate on the implementation. Cheers, Â - Andreas > 2009/3/5 Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de>: >> >> Edgar J. De Cleene wrote: >>> >>> I trust you and your implementation should go to current .image ASAP. >>> If at some point some guy of different secta come with a better code, we >>> don >>> reject for "heretic" =:) >> >> To the contrary. Let's give collaboration a chance. It would be stupid if we >> ended up with just enough difference to make us incompatible at such a >> superficial level. At the very least we should be waiting for a week or two >> to see if there's any reaction from the Pharo folks. Even if there is no >> reaction we should try to make it compatible at the interface (pragma) >> level. I'd be willing to do at least that but I'd need to know what their >> pragma spec actually looks like (can anyone subscribed to Pharo post an >> example or point me to ti?) >> >> Cheers, >> Â - Andreas >> >> > > > -- CÃ©drick

March 5, 2009

[Pharo-project] OT Tools for remote browsing/debugging (Was: Re: OTChasingInspector preview)

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/5 Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs(a)gemstone.com>: > I made a blood sacrifice to the OB gods yesterday and they led me to an acceptable (initial) implementation of a chasing inspector:) > > The code is in OB-Tools-dkh.66 (make sure you've loaded OmniBrowser-dr.442 as well). It'll need a couple more sacrifices to the OB gods before it's really ready (primarily reducing the text pane screen real estate), but you can take it for a spin, if you're interested: > > Â Â OTChasingInspector openOn: { > Â Â Â Â #key->('Smalltalk'->Smalltalk). > Â Â Â Â Dictionary with: #blue->'1' with: #green->'2' }. > > I'll be using it in GLASS, but if there's interest in a Pharo/Squeak version I'll make sure to keep it up to snuff. > > Dale > Dale, i wanted to ask you, how easy OB-Tools could be targeted to make own remote debugger/browser? And is your code free for use (under MIT)? I'm just considering the how much of my blood could take to implement these tools for use them in Hydra... :) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fonts in Linux

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

Cool, thanks for the information Robert ;) 2009/3/5 Robert Roland <rob.roland(a)gmail.com>: > > John and everyone else, > > Thanks for your help here! > > I used John's idea and grabbed the FT2Plugin from the SophieReader archive > and my fonts look great now! Â Bitstream Vera Sans is much more pleasant than > Accuny! :) > > If anyone else is trying to do the same, the reader archive has FT2Plugin > inside > > Sophie Reader.app/Contents/Linux686/FT2Plugin > > I copied this to /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.10-4 > > I compiled SqueakVM myself. Â If you're using the Ubuntu packaged Squeak, > this would go in > > /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8 > > Thanks all, > > Robert > > -- CÃ©drick

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] OB enhancement Object>>asArray considered harmful

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/5 CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com>: >>> removed Â Object>>asArray >> >> so fast?! Â i expected a discussion and arguments :) >> My argument: >> this method belongs to a collections protocol (like #isEmpty) and >> should not have a default implementation. >> > I quite agree... and your 2 hours looking for the error is a good > reason to me (unexpected behavior). > > and it doesn't seem to be used in OB Enhancement anymore, so ok to > remove it ? ;) > haha... We givng you my permission > CÃ©drick > - Show quoted text - > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] OTChasingInspector preview

by Damien Cassou

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs(a)gemstone.com> wrote: > I made a blood sacrifice to the OB gods yesterday and they led me to an acceptable (initial) implementation of a chasing inspector:) > > The code is in OB-Tools-dkh.66 (make sure you've loaded OmniBrowser-dr.442 as well). It'll need a couple more sacrifices to the OB gods before it's really ready (primarily reducing the text pane screen real estate), but you can take it for a spin, if you're interested: > > Â Â OTChasingInspector openOn: { > Â Â Â Â #key->('Smalltalk'->Smalltalk). > Â Â Â Â Dictionary with: #blue->'1' with: #green->'2' }. > > I'll be using it in GLASS, but if there's interest in a Pharo/Squeak version I'll make sure to keep it up to snuff. Thank you very much Dale. I hope people will like it. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

March 5, 2009

[Pharo-project] OTChasingInspector preview

by Dale Henrichs

I made a blood sacrifice to the OB gods yesterday and they led me to an acceptable (initial) implementation of a chasing inspector:) The code is in OB-Tools-dkh.66 (make sure you've loaded OmniBrowser-dr.442 as well). It'll need a couple more sacrifices to the OB gods before it's really ready (primarily reducing the text pane screen real estate), but you can take it for a spin, if you're interested: OTChasingInspector openOn: { #key->('Smalltalk'->Smalltalk). Dictionary with: #blue->'1' with: #green->'2' }. I'll be using it in GLASS, but if there's interest in a Pharo/Squeak version I'll make sure to keep it up to snuff. Dale

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] OB enhancement Object>>asArray considered harmful

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

>> removed Â Object>>asArray > > so fast?! Â i expected a discussion and arguments :) > My argument: > this method belongs to a collections protocol (like #isEmpty) and > should not have a default implementation. > I quite agree... and your 2 hours looking for the error is a good reason to me (unexpected behavior). and it doesn't seem to be used in OB Enhancement anymore, so ok to remove it ? ;) CÃ©drick

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fonts in Linux

by Robert Roland

John and everyone else, Thanks for your help here! I used John's idea and grabbed the FT2Plugin from the SophieReader archive and my fonts look great now! Bitstream Vera Sans is much more pleasant than Accuny! :) If anyone else is trying to do the same, the reader archive has FT2Plugin inside Sophie Reader.app/Contents/Linux686/FT2Plugin I copied this to /usr/local/lib/squeak/3.10-4 I compiled SqueakVM myself. If you're using the Ubuntu packaged Squeak, this would go in /usr/lib/squeak/3.9-8 Thanks all, Robert John M McIntosh wrote: > > There is a FT2Plugin plugin buried in > > http://opensophie.org/ > > On 4-Mar-09, at 10:46 PM, Robert Roland wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I feel dumb asking this question, but I've been using the Pharo >> image mostly >> on a Mac, with the FT2Plugin installed, so I've gotten spoiled by >> having >> nice fonts in the image. >> >> I've started wanting to use my Linux desktop (Ubuntu 8.10) too, but >> there >> doesn't appear to be a Linux FT2Plugin, so I seem to be stuck with >> one font >> only - Accuny. I haven't seen any other posts in this list related >> to that, >> so I'm assuming everyone's on a different platform, found a way to >> fix this, >> or likes Accuny. >> >> Having been spoiled by staring at Lucida Grande and Monaco, my eyes >> aren't >> too happy with Accuny as my only option. >> >> I've only recently begun using the Squeak VM, but compared to the >> older >> Squeak images, the Pharo image is worlds ahead. I'm looking forward >> to >> participating more, but this font issue is going to nag me. :) >> >> Thanks for any help, >> >> Robert >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n2.nabble.com/Fonts-in-Linux-tp2427790p2427790.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > = > = > = > ======================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > = > = > = > ======================================================================== > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fonts-in-Linux-tp2427790p2430229.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] A few more ideas about preferences

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/5 Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com>: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 02:57:41PM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> 2009/3/5 Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr>: >> > Igor Stasenko a Ã©crit : >> >> It would be nice to have a message appear after package installation: >> >> 'A new preferences has been added , would you like to review them now' >> >> and if user answers yes - show him only those which is added. >> >> >> > I'm not sure it is a good idea to change something in package installation. >> >> Its just a convenience measure. >> Say, if i just installed new package, i'd like to know if there any >> preferences i can play with. >> >> > Preferences have to remain as simple as possible. >> sure. >> But this is more about integration with Pharo as a consistent dev >> environment, which should show nice and friendly messages to user. >> You can keep preferences package clean, >> but make a separate one, like Pharo-Preferences-integration, where >> this stuff will live. >> >> I don't know if there's exists a system-wide event, like 'new package >> just installed', then any who willing to hook into it could react on >> such event. > > I'm pretty sure there is not, at least in Monticello. It would > be a great application of the new standardization on > Announcements > Right. ++1 > Put it in MCVersionLoader >> load > > -- > Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] OB enhancement Object>>asArray considered harmful

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/5 CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com>: > Name: OB-Enhancements-CB.312 > Author: CB > Time: 5 March 2009, 3:18:34 pm > UUID: cae3e197-dd58-403a-8161-49f38bbb610b > Ancestors: OB-Enhancements-damiencassou.311 > > removed Â Object>>asArray so fast?! i expected a discussion and arguments :) My argument: this method belongs to a collections protocol (like #isEmpty) and should not have a default implementation. > - Show quoted text - > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 5, 2009