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Re: [Pharo-project] How to rename a package ?

by Lukas Renggli

> Why don't we add it to MC? I am not a big fan of random untested scripts on classes somewhere in the system. They rot very fast and people won't find and know how to use them. I don't really see the relation of MCWorkingCopy to unpackaged code. For me is more like a possible bug that can be detected by a system like Code Critics. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] I need some advice (was Re: [squeak-dev] Organising and Documenting Micro-Universes in Squeaksource)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > +1 > i think making squeak compatible with outer world (use ascii ':=' > instead of unicode '<-' and enable to use '_' in selectors and > variables) is better than trying to be 'compatible' with 20 years old > dusty stuff. Yeap. I dream about a Smalltalk that we can script, embed into c application, talk well to c libraries, have nice libraries, tested....with nice mop, So let us try to focus on that Stef

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] How to rename a package ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

lukas Why don't we add it to MC? Because it may make people think that they can rename a package and do not lose ancestry. Stef On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> Why why why is the default position of whoever wrote the above code >> to >> NOT contribute to the community? I dont get it. For me it would be >> the >> first thought that enters my mind... "perhaps someone else might find >> this useful". > > Thank you for this excellent idea. > > I added it as a Code Critics rule called 'Unpackaged Code'. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [vwnc] Would you start a new Smalltalk project today?

by Philippe Marschall

Michael van der Gulik wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Michael van der Gulik > <mikevdg(a)gmail.com > <mailto:mikevdg@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > If you want to use multiple CPU cores, I believe that ST/X and > Gemstone both do this. I haven't tried though. > > Smalltalk/X: http://www.exept.de/ > Gemstone: http://seaside.gemstone.com/ > > > I'm sorry, I lied. > > Smalltalk/X can /not/ use multiple cores. I tried it on a dual-core > system; only one core was used :-(. > > So now it seems that Gemstone is the only multi-core capable Smalltalk > VM :-(. AFAIK Gemstone isn't multi-core capable as well. You can just run multiple gems and they share the same persistent memory. Which is similar but different. Philippe

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] I need some advice (was Re: [squeak-dev] Organising and Documenting Micro-Universes in Squeaksource)

by Igor Stasenko

2009/3/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> >> Perhaps you need healing from your fear of conflict. Ask your mind to >> reveal to you where it was you learned this emotional pattern. (its >> not >> one I have ;-) ) > > keith this is much more simple than that. > I'm doing pharo just to avoid the endless discussions on "I need arrow > for assignment". > I have nearly 20 years of brain cells now if I do not die before so I > do not want to > spend my time on boring stuff when I can avoid it. > >> Another case in point, on my to do list for squeak is "a registration >> mechanism for menus/flaps etc". There is absolutely NO reason why >> such a >> mechanism shouldnt be specced out and developed as a loadable module >> for >> all squeak forks to adopt. > > Exact. Now the point is that we do not want to keep extra layer of > compatibility for the sake > of it. > +1 i think making squeak compatible with outer world (use ascii ':=' instead of unicode '<-' and enable to use '_' in selectors and variables) is better than trying to be 'compatible' with 20 years old dusty stuff. >> Do we have to have 2 of absolutely everything? > > No but we have the right to choose and consider if we like it or not. > > Stef > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] I need some advice (was Re: [squeak-dev] Organising and Documenting Micro-Universes in Squeaksource)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > Perhaps you need healing from your fear of conflict. Ask your mind to > reveal to you where it was you learned this emotional pattern. (its > not > one I have ;-) ) keith this is much more simple than that. I'm doing pharo just to avoid the endless discussions on "I need arrow for assignment". I have nearly 20 years of brain cells now if I do not die before so I do not want to spend my time on boring stuff when I can avoid it. > Another case in point, on my to do list for squeak is "a registration > mechanism for menus/flaps etc". There is absolutely NO reason why > such a > mechanism shouldnt be specced out and developed as a loadable module > for > all squeak forks to adopt. Exact. Now the point is that we do not want to keep extra layer of compatibility for the sake of it. > Do we have to have 2 of absolutely everything? No but we have the right to choose and consider if we like it or not. Stef

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] How to rename a package ?

by Keith Hodges

Lukas Renggli wrote: >> Why why why is the default position of whoever wrote the above code to >> NOT contribute to the community? I dont get it. For me it would be the >> first thought that enters my mind... "perhaps someone else might find >> this useful". >> > > Thank you for this excellent idea. > > I added it as a Code Critics rule called 'Unpackaged Code'. > > Lukas > Good for you, but I dont use code critics. I cant manage to work out OB, it just seems completely unusable to me (some docs would be nice). So thats code critic outs as well I guess. Keith

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] How to rename a package ?

by Lukas Renggli

> Why why why is the default position of whoever wrote the above code to > NOT contribute to the community? I dont get it. For me it would be the > first thought that enters my mind... "perhaps someone else might find > this useful". Thank you for this excellent idea. I added it as a Code Critics rule called 'Unpackaged Code'. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 20, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] I need some advice (was Re: [squeak-dev] Organising and Documenting Micro-Universes in Squeaksource)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 20, 2009, at 3:24 PM, GÃ¶ran Krampe wrote: > Hi guys! > > Igor Stasenko wrote: >> 2009/3/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> the same :) >>> I like coral scripting format. >>> this is just a better chunk format :) > > If you by that mean a really nice serialization format that fits to > serialize objects dealing with Smalltalk source code - then yes. coral is a reabable chunk format not serialization of objects. > This is where the comparison with Coral probably breaks - correct me > if > I am wrong, but Coral is a "better" .st format, right? Or in other > words > - a format for typing in Smalltalk code in files. Yeap. > Tirade is meant to *serialize* Delta and Change objects. It is not a > "fileout" format, it is much more a readable *serialization* format. Ok did you check SRP? > > >>> But I do not want to open a war again. So better do it "alone" than >>> fight with others. >>> This is also my motto. >>> >> I looking at it at different angle: >> why inventing own wheel, when there is already existing solutions. >> I'm not sure if Coral fits well with DS (looks like it depends on >> NewCompiler), i just gave Goran a links, so he could decide if it >> is. > > I haven't seen a description of Coral yet - and no, I haven't > installed > it and looked at it. I wanted a description first :). But given the > little I have read it seems to be a format for Smalltalk classes in > files. Period. yeap > > > Again, this is not at all what Tirade is nor something suitable for > serializing Deltas, or am I missing something? > > And yes, Tirade works fine today in 3.6->3.10.2 + Pharo. It's 500 > lines > of code and independent of Compiler and has no other dependencies. > > This is important for the use cases. :) > > regards, GÃ¶ran > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 20, 2009

[Pharo-project] Clock icon when vm is buzy

by Mariano Martinez Peck

It would be nice to have a clock icon when the image is blocked doing something and then disappear when it finished. What I have to do, to get noticed when it terminates the block, is to click on another windows. So, when the vm returns control, then I goes to the windows I pick, and there I know. Is this possible to do? Cheers, Mariano

March 20, 2009