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Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.1 (summer) released!

by Tim Mackinnon

Thanks Marcus - and definitely we all appreciate that its holiday season and that a lot of this is driven by community and people donating their free time. Iâm still a bit unclear on the moving parts. To paraphrase what you have said: We start each yearly cycle with a X.0 new release. Then there may be point releases 6.1, 6.2 etc where there is a breaking change (typically a new VM I guess - but is there anything else that would cause a .x release?). Then there are âhot fixesâ that causes an image number change (these have worked there way through the CI, as it triggered a new build)? The implication is then that what I download from Pharo.org <http://pharo.org/> is the last point release, but then I can go and find a newer image âhot fixâ if I want some of the latest more minor fixes (and I guess this then answers m .x question above - as I guess that if there was a major bug in the image it might also trigger a new point release so that new users would get that fix when downloading from pharo.org <http://pharo.org/>?) So a reasonably active Pharo user (but not a more bleeding edge new release user) should typically download the latest image every month to stay current? We should encourage more seasoned users to also try a leading edge point release, and apply the latest hot fix image particularly in the latter part of year when we are trying to stabilise for the next release cycle. And then there are the instructions about taking the next leap for contributing backâ¦ Is this right? Tim > On 18 Aug 2017, at 08:56, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> What I think would have been good is to list all the updates that where done between >> releasing 6.0 and 6.1 *as part of the changelog* of 6.1 (even though they were already >> in the image that you got a minute before Pharo6.1 was released, as they where released as >> hot fixes before). >> > > The changelog of things done between releasing 6.0 and the release of 6.1: > > 20262 Update Iceberg to 0.5.4 > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20262 > > 20268 update iceberg v0.5.5 > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20268 > > 20226 TabMorph should use stepping mechanism for animating background building > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20226 > > 20238 Run out of memory the image hangs without out of memory warning > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20238 > > 20218 Master branch (Pharo 6) needs to be safely merged into development branch (Pharo 7). > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20218 > > 20187 Request use of block in certain methods > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20187 > > 20188 Request representation of integer literal without float exponent > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20188 > > 20182 Extra dot in literal array > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20182 > > 18760 Failing test: WeakAnnouncerTest>>#testNoDeadWeakSubscriptions > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18760 > > 20186 Request removal of extra statement separators (dot) > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20186 > > 20185 Request pipe after block argments > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20185 > > 20183 TraitDescription>>fileOutLocalMethodsInCategory:on: method temp var name overlap > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20183 > > 20184 Request space between argument and selector in StdioStream>>next: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20184 > > 20167 Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6 > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20167 > > 20198 inner structure access does not work on multiple architecture > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20198 > > 20110 AllocationTest>>#testOutOfMemorySignal not well suited to 64-bit > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20110 > > 20096 Add script pragma to SpaceTally>>printSpaceAnalysis > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20096 > > 20174 In the debug halo of a morph: clicking on "inspect morph" and "explore morph" bring up the same window. > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20174 > > 20093 Missing source stamp makes changes hard to view > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20093 > > 20148 transforming deprecations should take #showWarning into account > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20148 > > 20146 ZnHTTPSTests>>#testGetPharoVersion started to fail > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20146 > > > >

Aug. 18, 2017

Latest Debian, Ubuntu and CentOS packages of the pharo-vm

by Holger Freyther

Hi, when running Pharo in production you might want to install the image and a VM from distribution packages. So far there were no current public packages and during the last months I have modernized the debian packaging and recently added CentOS rpm packaging as well. The process of generating new source packages is integrated into the pharo-vm travis-ci build as well. Every time that master of pharo-vm.git is updated a new source package will be uploaded to the Open(SUSE) Build Service and new packages will be built and are available in a "latest" package feed. The generated (and used) sourcecode is inside the source package and will be archived by the OBS platform (one can even nicely diff versions). The "stable" VM is not built from pharo-vm.git (yet?) so it doesn't show on OBS yet. Below are some semi-tested installation notes in case you want to try it out. The binary names are picked to allow to install the 32bit and 64bit VM in parallel. The names currently are: - pharo6-32 (32bit version) - pharo6-64 (64bit version) - pharo6-32-ui (32bit version with X11 dependencies) - pharo6-64-ui (64bit version with X11 dependencies) CentOS 6.8: # Add the repo $ yum-config-manager --add-repo http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/pharo:/latest/C… # Install 32bit packages (with X11 dependency for *-ui or not) $ yum install pharo6-32-ui.i686 or pharo6-32.i386 # Install 64bit packages $ yum install pharo6-64-ui.x86_64 pharo6-64.x86_64 CentOS 7 (only 64bit): $ yum-config-manager --add-repo http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/pharo:/latest/C… $ yum install pharo6-64-ui.x86_64 pharo6-64.x86_64 Debian 8: # Add signing key $ wget -O - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/pharo:/latest/D… | apt-key add - # Update and install $ apt update $ apt install pharo6-32-ui pharo6-64-ui (or pharo6-32 or pharo6-64) Ubuntu 14.04 LTS # Add signing key $ wget -O - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/pharo:/latest/x… | apt-key add - # Update and install $ apt update $ apt install pharo6-32-ui pharo6-64-ui Ubuntu 16.04 # Add signing key $ wget -O - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/devel:/languages:/pharo:/latest/x… | apt-key add - # Update and install $ apt update $ apt install pharo6-32-ui pharo6-64-ui

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowering the pain of newbies

by Denis Kudriashov

Hi I wrote proposal in issue 2017-08-18 0:52 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works>: > Is this a goal we can all share for 7.0? > > Sort out the expert tools (like git etc), but equally enable that > simplicity you expect for a child/newbie/expert... > > I'm in! > > Tim > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 17 Aug 2017, at 20:52, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi guys > > > > my son coded in Pharo 60 > > > > testGuessUrlPart > > > > |dg8| > > dg8 := GameItem new; > > name: 'Dragon Quest VIII : Journey Of The Cursed King'; > > console: 'PS2'. > > self assert: dg8 guessUrlPart equals: > > 'dragonquestviiijourneyofthecursedking' > > > > and guess what he broke the system. > > > > We should not accept such kind of behavior. > > name: should not change the name of the class. > > > > I do not know the solution but I fear when I will teach 160 students > this fall. > > We should make sure that Pharo is not a system only for experts! > > > > any idea is welcome > > > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20322/name-sent-to-a-class-SHOULD-NOT- > automatically-rename-and-destroy-the-class > > > > Stef > > > > >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.1 (summer) released!

by Marcus Denker

> > What I think would have been good is to list all the updates that where done between > releasing 6.0 and 6.1 *as part of the changelog* of 6.1 (even though they were already > in the image that you got a minute before Pharo6.1 was released, as they where released as > hot fixes before). > The changelog of things done between releasing 6.0 and the release of 6.1: 20262 Update Iceberg to 0.5.4 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20262 20268 update iceberg v0.5.5 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20268 20226 TabMorph should use stepping mechanism for animating background building https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20226 20238 Run out of memory the image hangs without out of memory warning https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20238 20218 Master branch (Pharo 6) needs to be safely merged into development branch (Pharo 7). https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20218 20187 Request use of block in certain methods https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20187 20188 Request representation of integer literal without float exponent https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20188 20182 Extra dot in literal array https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20182 18760 Failing test: WeakAnnouncerTest>>#testNoDeadWeakSubscriptions https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18760 20186 Request removal of extra statement separators (dot) https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20186 20185 Request pipe after block argments https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20185 20183 TraitDescription>>fileOutLocalMethodsInCategory:on: method temp var name overlap https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20183 20184 Request space between argument and selector in StdioStream>>next: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20184 20167 Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20167 20198 inner structure access does not work on multiple architecture https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20198 20110 AllocationTest>>#testOutOfMemorySignal not well suited to 64-bit https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20110 20096 Add script pragma to SpaceTally>>printSpaceAnalysis https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20096 20174 In the debug halo of a morph: clicking on "inspect morph" and "explore morph" bring up the same window. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20174 20093 Missing source stamp makes changes hard to view https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20093 20148 transforming deprecations should take #showWarning into account https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20148 20146 ZnHTTPSTests>>#testGetPharoVersion started to fail https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20146

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.1 (summer) released!

by Marcus Denker

> On 24 Jul 2017, at 15:11, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > > Thanks guys. > > I hope it includes the fixes for the bugs impacting Dr. Geo. > Hello, I think there is a bit of a confusion of how we do fixed for Pharo6. I will explain: -> if people find bugs, they end up on the issue tracker -> Some of these get fixed. If a fix is ready, we will integrate it very quickly. This means that only the update number changes, not the main version number (these are bug fixes, they do not change APIs). A good name for these updates is âhot fixesâ. They are announced to the dev list only with the automatic lists that are send for each update. We integrated already quite some into Pharo6 like that. The release was I think around #60500, while 6.1 was done around #60510 Then there are cases that are more grave: 6.1 was done because it contains bigger changes. What I think would have been good is to list all the updates that where done between releasing 6.0 and 6.1 *as part of the changelog* of 6.1 (even though they were already in the image that you got a minute before Pharo6.1 was released, as they where released as hot fixes before). Now if the image includes all fixes needed for DrGeo depends on a) has that issue been fixed and b) if yes was all massaging done to have the update actually integrated. (what does not help is that it is holiday time, e.g. I did not read emails and did *nothing* from end of Juli to yesterday, this does not help but was really, really needed). Marcus

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowering the pain of newbies

by Tim Mackinnon

Is this a goal we can all share for 7.0? Sort out the expert tools (like git etc), but equally enable that simplicity you expect for a child/newbie/expert... I'm in! Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Aug 2017, at 20:52, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi guys > > my son coded in Pharo 60 > > testGuessUrlPart > > |dg8| > dg8 := GameItem new; > name: 'Dragon Quest VIII : Journey Of The Cursed King'; > console: 'PS2'. > self assert: dg8 guessUrlPart equals: > 'dragonquestviiijourneyofthecursedking' > > and guess what he broke the system. > > We should not accept such kind of behavior. > name: should not change the name of the class. > > I do not know the solution but I fear when I will teach 160 students this fall. > We should make sure that Pharo is not a system only for experts! > > any idea is welcome > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20322/name-sent-to-a-class-SHOULD-NOT-aut… > > Stef >

Aug. 17, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowering the pain of newbies

by Peter Uhnak

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 05:23:28PM -0300, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > What are the odds? 100%, this _always_ happens to some student. (You just need to omit a single semicolon and you've just broke it.)

Aug. 17, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo behind ALLSTOCKER marketplace

by TomW

Thank you for the very enlightening post. A quick followup question regarding your transaction data using an RDB and complex queries using Neo4j. Do you have a mechanism for maintaining/synchronizing data updated via transactions (into the RDB) in the the Neo4j database? Tom -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-behind-ALLSTOCKER-marketplace-tp4919088p4961941… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 17, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowering the pain of newbies

by Esteban A. Maringolo

What are the odds? The ability to break a system in a few steps seems to be an inherited trait. My daughter (2 years old) was randomly punching my keyboard and caused a segfault that I couldn't reproduce afterwards. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2017-08-17 16:52 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: > Hi guys > > my son coded in Pharo 60 > > testGuessUrlPart > > |dg8| > dg8 := GameItem new; > name: 'Dragon Quest VIII : Journey Of The Cursed King'; > console: 'PS2'. > self assert: dg8 guessUrlPart equals: > 'dragonquestviiijourneyofthecursedking' > > and guess what he broke the system. > > We should not accept such kind of behavior. > name: should not change the name of the class. > > I do not know the solution but I fear when I will teach 160 students this fall. > We should make sure that Pharo is not a system only for experts! > > any idea is welcome > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20322/name-sent-to-a-class-SHOULD-NOT-aut… > > Stef >

Aug. 17, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lowering the pain of newbies

by Cyril Ferlicot

On jeu. 17 aoÃ»t 2017 at 21:53, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys > > my son coded in Pharo 60 > > testGuessUrlPart > > |dg8| > dg8 := GameItem new; > name: 'Dragon Quest VIII : Journey Of The Cursed King'; > console: 'PS2'. > self assert: dg8 guessUrlPart equals: > 'dragonquestviiijourneyofthecursedking' > > and guess what he broke the system. > > We should not accept such kind of behavior. > name: should not change the name of the class. > > I do not know the solution but I fear when I will teach 160 students this > fall. > We should make sure that Pharo is not a system only for experts! > > any idea is welcome > > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20322/name-sent-to-a-class-SHOULD-NOT-aut… > > Stef > Fast answer: Some month (year?) ago I proposed to get pre-compilation rules that could show warnings in interactive mode. Maybe this can be a path to dig. :) > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

Aug. 17, 2017