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Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Alexandre Bergel

The localize method is present neither in .dev image nor in a core. Alexandre On 5 May 2009, at 17:52, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > steps I am doing > > 1) open OB. > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > printOn: aStream > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > self size < 100 > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > it and select localize (the first option) > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > It can be just empty this method. > 7) try to save > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > was at home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an > image, > > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > > I need more!! :) > > > > :) But does this happen also to you ? > > > In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > => 60 > > Something more you want me to test ? > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Adrian Lienhard

Hi Mariano, I think the problem is that since #localize is not implemented the system stops working because it depends on String>>printOn: (considering that source code is a string too...). If you first implement #localize and then implement #printOn: it seems to work ok. In any case, overriding String>>printOn: does not seem to be a good idea. HTH, Adrian On May 5, 2009, at 17:52 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the > steps I am > doing > > 1) open OB. > 2) go to String class, method printOn: > 3) modify printOn: to this: > > printOn: aStream > "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." > > self size < 100 > ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] > ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] > > 4) save it and put initials if asked. > 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore > it and > select localize (the first option) > 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. > It can > be just empty this method. > 7) try to save > 8) your image may be freeze :) > > > Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I > was at > home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > >>> Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an >>> image, >>> to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. >>> I need more!! :) >>> >>> :) But does this happen also to you ? >> >> >> In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: >> String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo >> => 60 >> >> Something more you want me to test ? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pier-EmailSender and "Contact Us"

by John M McIntosh

No, the intent is preserve the images as they are shipped see http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/ST80Docs.html & http://www.mobilewikiserver.com/SqueakDocs.html However if you have a script that removals all the *extra* things that people could run for server images that would be helpful at least to me, I realize that most folks don't care about 8MB, but on tiny devices that 8MB is golden... On 5-May-09, at 1:28 AM, stÃ©phane ducasse wrote: > John > > for your images did you remove tests and other unnecessary stuff? > The 10300 is 12.7mb without removing all kind of crap like the > scriptLoader and the tests. > I hope that we will be able to slowly get more and more modular: > once project/bookmorph are gone. > I imagine (did not read carefully the details of we got about the > chase of the unclosed handles) > that the startup behavior could be also improved. > > Stef > > On May 5, 2009, at 10:17 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> Tsk, well I was off to bed, but thought I should make some notes. >> >> Last night I push out two electronic books showing smalltalk-80 >> based source code to Apple for iPhone review. >> One was based on the latest pharo of end of april 09 with closures >> the other based on the sq3.10.2-719web09.04.1.zip no closures. >> The two e-books apps are identical except for the code base. >> >> I dropped the wikiserver stuff into both, happy since the changes >> required were non-existent for pharo and one or two for sq3.10.2 >> >> (a) The sq3.10.2 version was missing some of the extra add-on Pier >> stuff, and has the LGPL Swazoo which makes some folks run for the >> fire exit. >> >> (b) The pharo image is 20.2 mb, the sq3.10.2 is 25.2 mb, so 5MB >> bigger. >> >> (c) The pharo image needed about 35mb of ram to be happy, the sq >> 3.10.2 about 40mb >> (c2) The pharo image ramps to the welcome screen using 19.23 mb >> ram, 97.12mb virtual >> (c3) The sq 3.10.2 image ramps using 19.05mb and 102.12 virtual. >> This makes sense because I avoid a full gc and doing allInstances, >> so the code base is really startup logic and seaside. >> (I had to fix the sq 3.10.2 image because of ignored bug using >> allInstances I reported years back, never fixed, but fixed in pharo >> last fall). >> >> (d) The pharo image needs 2.6 to 6.6% cpu on the iphone at idle, >> the sq 3.10.2 needs 8 to 18% >> (to be fair here I could bring some fixes into the 3.10.2 image to >> reduce the cpu time, but really those fixes should have gone in >> years ago...) >> >> (e) The sq 3.10.2 book feels sluggish. the pharo less so. So the sq >> 3.10.2 excessive CPU usage is the usability killer here. >> >> To be fair WikiServer is happy with 20MB of ram with a 10.5MB image >> size, and runs with a 0 to 0.9% cpu usage at idle, starup ram of >> 11.69, virtual memory of 90.34 >> Lots of hours to get there.. >> >> PS I see the etoys image is only 16.4 MB, well that doesn't include >> seaside etc, but if you need that you should start with etoys as >> the base and add pier and seaside, less bloated I'd guess, and >> supported for that etoy feature set you need? = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Fuck....It seems to be more complex to reproduce. These are the steps I am doing 1) open OB. 2) go to String class, method printOn: 3) modify printOn: to this: printOn: aStream "Print inside string quotes, doubling inbedded quotes." self size < 100 ifTrue: [ self localize storeOn: aStream ] ifFalse: [ self storeOn: aStream ] 4) save it and put initials if asked. 5) as localize is not created yet, it ask you the selector. Ignore it and select localize (the first option) 6) ctrl + a (select all text) and try to create the method localize. It can be just empty this method. 7) try to save 8) your image may be freeze :) Can you confirm this ? I am sorry I said I was on Linux. I thought I was at home, but not, unfortunately I am with Windows at work :( Cheers, Mariano On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>wrote: > > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an image, > > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > > I need more!! :) > > > > :) But does this happen also to you ? > > > In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: > String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo > => 60 > > Something more you want me to test ? > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pier-EmailSender and "Contact Us"

by John M McIntosh

Well then for http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6581 who would stick that into 3.11? Let alone that I'm looking at 3.10.2 image Added (partly) http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7348 On 5-May-09, at 2:07 AM, Andreas Raab wrote: > Hi John - > > John M McIntosh wrote: >> (I had to fix the sq 3.10.2 image because of ignored bug using >> allInstances I reported years back, never fixed, but fixed in pharo >> last fall). > > [... snip ...] > >> (to be fair here I could bring some fixes into the 3.10.2 image to >> reduce the cpu time, but really those fixes should have gone in >> years ago...) > > Just as an FYI, there is now a well-defined process for contributing > stuff to 3.11: > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-February/134095… > > If these fixes are on Mantis all you need is to provide an installer > script and update its status accordingly. Just try it! > > Cheers, > - Andreas -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Alexandre Bergel

> Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an image, > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > I need more!! :) > > :) But does this happen also to you ? In a 10300 on OSX I can do without any problem: String compile: 'foo ^ 60'. 'abc' foo => 60 Something more you want me to test ? Alexandre > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Igor Stasenko

2009/5/5 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 2009/5/5 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> > No matter which method I try to add. >> > >> > Is this happening only to me ? >> > >> > I am using pharo core 10300 and exupery vm on ubuntu. >> > >> >> Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an image, >> to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. >> I need more!! :) > > :)Â Â Â But does this happen also to you ? > i'm not yet moved my code on 10300. >> >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Mariano >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Author in Squeak (Thread moved over from smallwiki)

by MichaelA

My impression. This is a bunch of whining. I am not trying to be imflamatory but that is my impression. For my part, I don't care two dead flies about compatibility with squeak. I am very happy that a bunch of very bright and motivated individuals are working hard to produce a stable open source smalltalk that can be used for Professional development. Keith Hodges wrote: > > stÃ©phane ducasse wrote: >> Apparently there is no value in what we are doing: > I didn't say that, is that what you believe? >> removing etoy, removing a lot of ***SHIT*** from squeak, fixing tons >> of bugs (the bug archives >> is full of fixed bugs and fixes problems), writing more tests, >> cleaning a HUGE spaghetti mess >> (preferences....). Utilities is one of this crap. > Not much use to me I am afraid, if my code cant work interoperably > between squeak and pharo, then I cant port any of my existing projects > over. > > Hmm what is needed for this... oh yes > > Installing and package loading tools that are managed outside of any one > image as a common resource for everyone, that all those wise and > knowledgeable about such things should contribute to. This needs > political will to promote collaboration at this level. > > The problem with this idea is that I myself am not good enough nor do I > have the time to realise the vision. I wonder where the people that do > have the knowledge to do this are. Oh yes they are all working on Pharo! > So that leaves the rest of us scuppered, thanks... > > You still don't understand, my argument against pharo is NOT that you > will not use my code, it is that you will NOT contribute resources to > the community in such a way as can be used for the benefit of all. i.e. > MC1.5 is a project outside of Pharo and Squeak that you could contribute > to, but you wont. So is SUnit, and SSpec etc. Furthermore those projects > may be doomed to failure if you dont contribute, after all your team has > the knowledge of traits which no one else has, I certainly don't. MC1.5 > needs your team's input, and has needed it for over a year, yet you will > not see it as something worth contributing to for the benefit of all. So > MC1.5 is dead in the water and 2 years of work has been wasted. >> And of course Author could be made a bit better. > Author, what is Author, Author doesn't exist for Squeak users. > > If you would think in a community minded way, Author would be another > external package, that is available for all. >> Of course there is no preference to avoid to warn on deprecated call! >> >> Apparently you only do stuff right. Perfect! > I didn't say that, is this what you believe? > > I am saying the opposite, and I have always been saying the opposite. I > need others to collaborate to make these ideas a success. I am primarily > an ideas man, my code is not that brilliant until the third or fourth > iteration. My concern is that the Pharo team continuously seek to > compete not to contribute. >> But we will do it our way. Period. > Exactly the opposite attitude to what is needed in this situation. No > wonder we are not getting anywhere. > > Keith > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Author-in-Squeak-%28Thread-moved-over-from-smallwiki%2… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/5/5 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > No matter which method I try to add. > > > > Is this happening only to me ? > > > > I am using pharo core 10300 and exupery vm on ubuntu. > > > > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an image, > to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. > I need more!! :) > :) But does this happen also to you ? > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 5, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Add a method to String freezes my pharo image

by Igor Stasenko

2009/5/5 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > No matter which method I try to add. > > Is this happening only to me ? > > I am using pharo core 10300 and exupery vm on ubuntu. > Cool! I'm currently collecting all the cases which freezing an image, to find a best way in new scheduler how to prevent that. I need more!! :) > Cheers, > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 5, 2009