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Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, Yes and no. There are times when I would want to use nothing other than LaTeX, and times when I need to get along with non-technical types (who will help build my career as long as I do not make it hard for them to do so) - sonds more like my problem =:0 Maybe citezen will help bridge the gap. I see how it would make the bibliography; the citations along the way leave me with doubts. I really like LaTeX's abilty to create new environments, markup, etc. What do you do for spell checking? FWIW, I have a Dolphin based "shell" (actually the shell features are prett lame at present) for editing LaTeX files. It is one of those things that I would hope to bring with me and make available. Perhaps we can get it parsing TeX error messages, etc. via OSProcess and make something really nice. One feature I really like is that I use a trick I stole from, of all sources, Microsoft in their class wizard from Visual C++. The idea is to "unique" markers for start/stop, and have Smalltalk code that can be evaluated and turned into LaTeX. It can generate images, tables, anything you want, doing any amount of computation along the way. All it asks (at present) is that code be of the form aClass aMessage for ease of parsing, but that of course and wrap anything one wants. There is then an editor command to regenerate all such items in the project. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:25 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX On May 16, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > I knew somebody here had something but forgot the name. Thanks for > the reminder; I'll give it a look. > > I found a pdf on it which looks helpful. Are you going to tell me > that this would allow Pharo to generate a complete bibliography > suitable for pasting into a document? What about the citations along > the way? That's proably where LaTeX comes in, but I am getting > pressured away from it for various documents. Citezen parses bib files and after you have a visitor to produce what you want. > LaTeX is a mixed bag. It's great for mathematics, the output is > BEAUTIFUL, and I find the flat text view of prose helpful. Spell > checking is a plus for the competition. However, I find myself > getting pushback from peers who want to use document revisions, making > the (gulp) word the center of attention. their problems.... > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:11 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX > > did you check citezen? > > On May 16, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and even >> code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of you have >> Pharo code to read the RIS format? >> >> I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking >> at Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to >> import into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but >> there is evidence it correctly understand RIS. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bil >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Damien will reply. I think that since he uses seaside canvas. You should use a pier image for now. After with enough pressure I'm sure that he can do a CitezenLoader class :) On May 16, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > **DUMB** question. I found citezen on SqueakSource, opened > monitcello, created a respository and have access to the code. That > much makes sense tome. But it is at this point that I fall apart in > understanding MC. What is the correct way to load the code? > > Pathetically yours<g>, > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:11 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX > > did you check citezen? > > On May 16, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and even >> code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of you have >> Pharo code to read the RIS format? >> >> I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking >> at >> Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to import >> into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but there >> is >> evidence it correctly understand RIS. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bil >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > I knew somebody here had something but forgot the name. Thanks for > the reminder; I'll give it a look. > > I found a pdf on it which looks helpful. Are you going to tell me > that this would allow Pharo to generate a complete bibliography > suitable for pasting into a document? What about the citations > along the way? That's proably where LaTeX comes in, but I am > getting pressured away from it for various documents. Citezen parses bib files and after you have a visitor to produce what you want. > LaTeX is a mixed bag. It's great for mathematics, the output is > BEAUTIFUL, and I find the flat text view of prose helpful. Spell > checking is a plus for the competition. However, I find myself > getting pushback from peers who want to use document revisions, > making the (gulp) word the center of attention. their problems.... > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:11 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX > > did you check citezen? > > On May 16, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and even >> code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of you have >> Pharo code to read the RIS format? >> >> I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking >> at >> Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to import >> into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but there >> is >> evidence it correctly understand RIS. >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bil >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Helping getting pharo license-clean

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi yoshiki What did you do with code of people that passed away. It is obvious that they gave the code for squeak. Now removing this code is like if we do not consider their contribution because they are dead. I feel that this license process is a huge shit. stef

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, **DUMB** question. I found citezen on SqueakSource, opened monitcello, created a respository and have access to the code. That much makes sense tome. But it is at this point that I fall apart in understanding MC. What is the correct way to load the code? Pathetically yours<g>, Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:11 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX did you check citezen? On May 16, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Hello all, > > Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and even > code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of you have > Pharo code to read the RIS format? > > I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking at > Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to import > into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but there is > evidence it correctly understand RIS. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Bil > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, I knew somebody here had something but forgot the name. Thanks for the reminder; I'll give it a look. I found a pdf on it which looks helpful. Are you going to tell me that this would allow Pharo to generate a complete bibliography suitable for pasting into a document? What about the citations along the way? That's proably where LaTeX comes in, but I am getting pressured away from it for various documents. LaTeX is a mixed bag. It's great for mathematics, the output is BEAUTIFUL, and I find the flat text view of prose helpful. Spell checking is a plus for the competition. However, I find myself getting pushback from peers who want to use document revisions, making the (gulp) word the center of attention. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:11 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX did you check citezen? On May 16, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Hello all, > > Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and even > code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of you have > Pharo code to read the RIS format? > > I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking at > Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to import > into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but there is > evidence it correctly understand RIS. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Bil > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Helping getting pharo license-clean

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all I'm going over the list of authors that did not sign and will produce a list of actions. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ResultofRelicensing We will have probably to update the authorlist with the one of pharo. Stef

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Helping getting pharo license-clean

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

here are the files I got not taking into account pharoer I started to add them to http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/LicenseCleanEffort and put comment for the corresponding actions. Stef

May 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

did you check citezen? On May 16, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Hello all, > > Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and > even code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of > you have Pharo code to read the RIS format? > > I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking > at Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to > import into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but > there is evidence it correctly understand RIS. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Bil > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 16, 2009

[Pharo-project] [OT] RIS vs. BibTeX

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, Sorry for the OT post, but some of you have BibTeX interests and even code(!!!), so I thought it would smart to ask whether any of you have Pharo code to read the RIS format? I am getting sufficient pressure away from LaTeX, that I am looking at Bibus and OpenOffice. I have a lot of data in .bib to try to import into Bibus, which appears to be buggy with respect to to, but there is evidence it correctly understand RIS. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Bil

May 16, 2009