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Re: [Pharo-project] morph view hierarchy explorer

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Good! :) But really one day we will have to fix all the classes without comments. can you please add it to the bugtracker. I will harvest it and put it in the same package as the inspector. Stef On May 22, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > Stef, > > I've renamed a few methods for clarity, utilized Morph>>flashBounds > method for flashing, added a class comment, and 2 examples. > is it at least a C- instead of D+ now? > :) > > let me know what else I should do? > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > Hi steven > > at the minimum you should comment the class and have some examples > methods that illustrate its purpose. ;) > and it would be to be able to invoke it from the inspector/explorer? > Then it would be good that the comments tell the user a little > scenario so that we can learn and improve from > it so far I had to read the cs file to see that you changed the debug > menu and > But for example I do not see how I can get one particular object to > flash > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > I've enhanced a few things to make use of existing tools as per an > > early thread. > > > > Is there any chance this simple enhancement can get integrated into > > the main > > stream of developement? It really is quite usefull in understanding > > a complex > > morph composition. > > < > > ViewHierarchyExplorer > > .st>_______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > < > ViewHierarchyExplorer > .st>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] isoToSqueak question

by Philippe Marschall

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > While playing with the HTML package or (Scamper) > I got the following error > > > specialValue isoToSqueak > isoToSqueak not understood by character > > What is now the correct invocation? No invocation. ISO == Squeak these days. Cheers Philippe

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] morph view hierarchy explorer

by Steve Wirts

Stef, I've renamed a few methods for clarity, utilized Morph>>flashBounds method for flashing, added a class comment, and 2 examples. is it at least a C- instead of D+ now? :) let me know what else I should do? On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi steven > > at the minimum you should comment the class and have some examples > methods that illustrate its purpose. ;) > and it would be to be able to invoke it from the inspector/explorer? > Then it would be good that the comments tell the user a little > scenario so that we can learn and improve from > it so far I had to read the cs file to see that you changed the debug > menu and > But for example I do not see how I can get one particular object to > flash > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > I've enhanced a few things to make use of existing tools as per an > > early thread. > > > > Is there any chance this simple enhancement can get integrated into > > the main > > stream of developement? It really is quite usefull in understanding > > a complex > > morph composition. > > < > > ViewHierarchyExplorer > > .st>_______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, I proposed that a while ago, but there was a stunning lack of response. The offer is still good however; I'd welcome a group effort to tackle it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:55 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo Hi guys Why don;t you join forces and create a Cryptography package which work for pharo and for you. Mariano I still would love to know the method of integer that are missing Stef On May 22, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Jan van de Sandt wrote: > Hello, > > I faced the same problem with Cloudfork-AWS. This project required the > Cryptography package for generating the signatures using SHA and for > generating MD5 hash values. > > When I had problems loading the package in Pharo and I learned that > the package was no longer maintained I copied the classes I required > to a Cloudfork package. I needed the MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 classes. I > renamed them to CFMD5, CFSHA1 and CFSHA256, I also prefixed all the > methods in the required class extensions with cf. For example > ThirtyTwoBitRegister>>cfBitShift: anInteger. You can use a simular > approach for Glorp. > > Jan. > > PS: Another dependency of Cloudfork is a HTTP client. I'm now > playing around with the CurlPlugin, this plugin works very well. > Things like supporting https become real easy > > 2009/5/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com > > wrote: > I'm really sorry to hear it is no longer being maintained. > It was a necessary package to connect to properly set up Postgres > databases, that requiere sending password hashes with SHA-1. We > will probably face this kind of need when interacting with the > outside world in general. > > Yes. That's why I saw it. I am trying to make Glorp to work in > Pharo, but as you know Glorp in Squeak only works with Postgres. And > the native postgres driver requieres cryptography package when you > use md5 :( > > Just for now, I disable md5 from my postgres and use "password" auth- > method. With this, cryptography is not needed. However, this is not > an option in a production enviorment. > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > It was a fantastic package, I wonder why the maintainers droped it. > I suppose maintaining crypto frameworks up to date, with no > vulnerabilities, is a lot of work. > Sorry for venting out my sadnes to the list. > Cheers > > r. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: 22 May 2009 11:08 > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > Ok I thought the cryptology package was working well and maintained. > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > Agreed: I mentioned both curl and OpenSSL - we should embrace both. > > AFACT, the cryptography package is a thing of the past, and we > > should look to active projects. Tell me where I'm wrong, please. > > > > Another reality, fair or not: if we were to take on the enormous > > burden of maintaining the cypto package, there would always be > > questions about security holes we left open. The same will be true > > of OpenSSL, but there is (not always fair) credibility in numbers > > widely known projects. There will be would-be users of Pharo who > > will want OpenSSL for its reputation, and who would question a home- > > grown solution. > > > > Bill > > > > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > ] On Behalf Of Fernando olivero > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:20 AM > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > > > > Just a comment, > > > > you could use the new AlienFFI framework to comunicate with curl. > > Or reify any C library you want in Pharo. > > > > Fernando > > > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > >> The most recent post on the crytography mailing list starts out as > >> follows: > >> > >> Since the Cryptography Team doesn't exists anymore, the > >> Cryptography package is not maintained by anyone. The SSL > >> implementation doesn't allow easy debugging, you can't just turn on > >> logging to see what's happening. Following the state machine > >> transitions should give you the answer why the handshake isn't > >> succeding. It might be related to certificates or TLS->SSL3 > >> fallback. If I were you, I would go with curl. > >> I think it is time to write a wrapper around open SSL in addition > >> to looking at the curl plugin. Trying to write cryptography code > >> from scratch and get and keep it right is a huge effort, and pretty > >> avoidable, and IMHO, better avoided by letting others do the job. > >> Ever read Sun Tzu? > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck > >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 PM > >> To: Pharo Development > >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > >> > >> I don't know if there is anyone of the developers of the package > >> Cryptography but is someone is willing to do the port of it to > >> Pharo? Most tests are break and it seems not to work because lots > >> of Cryptography methods where in classes like SmallInteger and > >> these methods were removed in Pharo. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mariano > >> <ATT00001.txt> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts configuration

by Mariano Martinez Peck

It would be nice to have a wiki page with all of this configurations. So that any user can copy and paste then and see how the look like in their images. Or they can be in a specific morph or preference browser, but this requires more time and effort. Sorry, I don't have wiki permissions. Cheers, Mariano On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > I found the flash menu :) > and this is cool > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > I like Arial, and I think it's a very common font available on most > > platforms..... > > > > | aStandardFont aBoldFont | > > > > > > aStandardFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 > > stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 400 slantValue: 0. > > aBoldFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Arial' pointSize: 9 > > stretchValue: 5 weightValue: 700 slantValue: 0. > > > > Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. > > Preferences setEToysTitleFontTo: aBoldFont. > > Preferences setFlapsFontTo: aBoldFont. > > Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setCodeFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setEToysFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setListFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setMenuFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setPaintBoxButtonFontTo: aStandardFont. > > Preferences setSystemFontTo: aStandardFont. > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > wrote: > > What you do not like OBPackageAdaptor... Great Squeakish ui. > > > > Stef > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 14:19 , Tudor Girba wrote: > > > > > >> I certainly will not try to enforce it on anybody :). > > >> > > >> The reason why I used condensed bold for the title and menu is that > > >> because we have so many of them both windows and menus, it is > > >> difficult to identify them. So, I want to quickly spot the title > > when > > >> hovering over the tabs at the bottom which is not accomplishable. > > > > > > Then we should probably fix that the label of the tab shows what you > > > need to know (I assume the class name). Currently, the class name is > > > prefixed with "System Browser: ", which uses up all the space as > > soon > > > as one has several open windows. I would just remove "System > > Browser: > > > " in the window title and tab label and only print the class name. > > > Would that help? > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > >> As > > >> for the menus, I just find them easier to grasp in this way. > > >> > > >> Anyway, I added this script together with a version for demos > > (larger > > >> font size) here: > > >> > > >> MCHttpRepository > > >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/setup' > > >> user: '' > > >> password: '' > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Doru > > >> > > >> > > >> On 22 May 2009, at 13:20, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > >> > > >>> gaah, these fat menus and title fonts look awful to me! ;) > > >>> Adrian > > >>> > > >>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:48 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> :) > > >>>> looks cool to me. thanks doru. > > >>>> > > >>>> <Picture 7.pdf><Picture 6.pdf> > > >>>> On May 22, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Thanks a lot, that worked fine. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So, I list below my settings. I use Helvetica Neue Condensed > > Bold > > >>>>> for > > >>>>> menus and window title. Because I use it there, I also use > > >>>>> Helvetica > > >>>>> Neue regular for the rest of the items, except for the code > > >>>>> where I > > >>>>> use Monaco: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> menuFont := LogicalFont > > >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > >>>>> pointSize: 9 > > >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > > >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > > >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > > >>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont > > >>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > >>>>> pointSize: 14 > > >>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > > >>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > > >>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > > >>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 8. > > >>>>> defaultFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > pointSize: > > >>>>> 9. > > >>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setFlapsFontTo: menuFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setHaloLabelFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: menuFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setBalloonHelpFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: defaultFont. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>> Doru > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 11:05, Andrew Tween wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> From: girba(a)iam.unibe.ch > > >>>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 10:19:44 +0200 > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] call for hypercool fonts > > >>>>>>> configuration > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I would like to give my script, but I do not know how to > > specify > > >>>>>> in a > > >>>>>>> script that I want 'Helvetica Neue' - 'Condensed Bold'. Can > > >>>>>>> anyone > > >>>>>> help? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont > > >>>>>> familyName: 'Helvetica Neue' > > >>>>>> pointSize: 9 > > >>>>>> stretchValue: (LogicalFont stretchCondensed) > > >>>>>> weightValue: (LogicalFont weightBold) > > >>>>>> slantValue: (LogicalFont slantNormal). > > >>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>> Andy > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>> Doru > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 22 May 2009, at 09:56, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hm, they look perfect on my machine. I just took a 10310 > > Pharo > > >>>>>> core > > >>>>>>>> and run the script I posted. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Do you have the BitBlt plugin added to the VM? > > >>>>>>>> Are the DejaVu fonts blurry as well? Can you post a > > screenshot? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Adrian > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 23:30 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> this is strange because I get a blurry result. > > >>>>>>>>> Should I have a specific package loaded: I tried with the > > >>>>>> 10309dev > > >>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>> the VM has the FT2plugin > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Stef > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mac, I like the following "special" configuration with > > >>>>>>>>>> Lucida > > >>>>>>>>>> Grande and Monaco: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' pointSize: > > >>>>>>>>>> 10. > > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Monaco' pointSize: 9. > > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedAscent' put: 12. > > >>>>>>>>>> codeFont realFont instVarNamed: 'cachedHeight' put: 15. > > >>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'Lucida Grande' > > >>>>>> pointSize: 10. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Note, I manually tweak the font description of Monaco to > > >>>>>> decrease > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> line height (don't know why it is that high by default). > > With > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> above, it looks more like in TextMate for example. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Adrian > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 10:55 , Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, anythinks related to look'nd feel and overal design > > in > > >>>>>> Pharo > > >>>>>>>>>>> could help a lot to make people to LOVE Pharo or to RUN > > >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding fonts, I found myself sharing the point > > previously > > >>>>>>>>>>> expressed there: > > >>>>>>>>>>> -Dejavu Sans for all but code > > >>>>>>>>>>> -Code with Dedavu mono > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> The issue about Freetype efficiency, related to submorph > > >>>>>>>>>>> damage > > >>>>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>> related previsouly, is of equal importance. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> If the user experience is ungood -- slowness -- people > > will > > >>>>>>>>>>> RUN > > >>>>>>>>>>> AWAY. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/21 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on one hand we should have a good default for fonts - > > >>>>>>>>>>>> default > > >>>>>>>>>>>> means > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ok > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for license and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> work on platforms.... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I would LOVE to get a list of cool combination of > > fonts > > >>>>>> even > > >>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>> they are proprietary. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So I hope that I woke the designer in you :) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Send snippets in the following forms that we can impress > > >>>>>> girls :) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 10. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' > > >>>>>> pointSize: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Serif' > > >>>>>> pointSize: 11. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setListFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setMenuFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setCodeFontTo: codeFont. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setButtonFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setSystemFontTo: font. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Stef > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> pharo- > > >>>>>>>>>>>> project > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>>>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > >>>>>> project > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow." > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list > > >>>>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > > >>>>>>> project > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> " Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. 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May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] morph view hierarchy explorer

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I think than more than examples, what is better is to have unit tests. They have a lot of advantages and they even work as examples. Cheers, Mariano 2009/5/22 Steve Wirts <stevewirts(a)gmail.com> > ok, > I'll fix these things > thanks for your input > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi steven >> >> at the minimum you should comment the class and have some examples >> methods that illustrate its purpose. ;) >> and it would be to be able to invoke it from the inspector/explorer? >> Then it would be good that the comments tell the user a little >> scenario so that we can learn and improve from >> it so far I had to read the cs file to see that you changed the debug >> menu and >> But for example I do not see how I can get one particular object to >> flash >> >> >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: >> >> > I've enhanced a few things to make use of existing tools as per an >> > early thread. >> > >> > Is there any chance this simple enhancement can get integrated into >> > the main >> > stream of developement? It really is quite usefull in understanding >> > a complex >> > morph composition. >> > < >> > ViewHierarchyExplorer >> > .st>_______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

sure no stress I have to fix some walls :) stef On May 22, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > Hi guys > > Why don;t you join forces and create a Cryptography package which work > for pharo and for you. > > It's a good idea. > > > Mariano I still would love to know the method of integer that are > missing > > I am a bit complicated at work right now. I hope tonight or tomorrow > have the time and will tell you the methods. > > > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Jan van de Sandt wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I faced the same problem with Cloudfork-AWS. This project required > > the Cryptography package for generating the signatures using SHA and > > for generating MD5 hash values. > > > > When I had problems loading the package in Pharo and I learned that > > the package was no longer maintained I copied the classes I required > > to a Cloudfork package. I needed the MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 classes. I > > renamed them to CFMD5, CFSHA1 and CFSHA256, I also prefixed all the > > methods in the required class extensions with cf. For example > > ThirtyTwoBitRegister>>cfBitShift: anInteger. You can use a simular > > approach for Glorp. > > > > Jan. > > > > PS: Another dependency of Cloudfork is a HTTP client. I'm now > > playing around with the CurlPlugin, this plugin works very well. > > Things like supporting https become real easy > > > > 2009/5/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com > > > wrote: > > I'm really sorry to hear it is no longer being maintained. > > It was a necessary package to connect to properly set up Postgres > > databases, that requiere sending password hashes with SHA-1. We > > will probably face this kind of need when interacting with the > > outside world in general. > > > > Yes. That's why I saw it. I am trying to make Glorp to work in > > Pharo, but as you know Glorp in Squeak only works with Postgres. And > > the native postgres driver requieres cryptography package when you > > use md5 :( > > > > Just for now, I disable md5 from my postgres and use "password" > auth- > > method. With this, cryptography is not needed. However, this is not > > an option in a production enviorment. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > It was a fantastic package, I wonder why the maintainers droped it. > > I suppose maintaining crypto frameworks up to date, with no > > vulnerabilities, is a lot of work. > > Sorry for venting out my sadnes to the list. > > Cheers > > > > r. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > > Sent: 22 May 2009 11:08 > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > > Ok I thought the cryptology package was working well and maintained. > > > > Stef > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > > > Agreed: I mentioned both curl and OpenSSL - we should embrace > both. > > > AFACT, the cryptography package is a thing of the past, and we > > > should look to active projects. Tell me where I'm wrong, please. > > > > > > Another reality, fair or not: if we were to take on the enormous > > > burden of maintaining the cypto package, there would always be > > > questions about security holes we left open. The same will be > true > > > of OpenSSL, but there is (not always fair) credibility in numbers > > > widely known projects. There will be would-be users of Pharo who > > > will want OpenSSL for its reputation, and who would question a > home- > > > grown solution. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > ] On Behalf Of Fernando olivero > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:20 AM > > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > > > > > > > Just a comment, > > > > > > you could use the new AlienFFI framework to comunicate with curl. > > > Or reify any C library you want in Pharo. > > > > > > Fernando > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > > > >> The most recent post on the crytography mailing list starts out > as > > >> follows: > > >> > > >> Since the Cryptography Team doesn't exists anymore, the > > >> Cryptography package is not maintained by anyone. The SSL > > >> implementation doesn't allow easy debugging, you can't just > turn on > > >> logging to see what's happening. Following the state machine > > >> transitions should give you the answer why the handshake isn't > > >> succeding. It might be related to certificates or TLS->SSL3 > > >> fallback. If I were you, I would go with curl. > > >> I think it is time to write a wrapper around open SSL in addition > > >> to looking at the curl plugin. Trying to write cryptography code > > >> from scratch and get and keep it right is a huge effort, and > pretty > > >> avoidable, and IMHO, better avoided by letting others do the job. > > >> Ever read Sun Tzu? > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 PM > > >> To: Pharo Development > > >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > >> > > >> I don't know if there is anyone of the developers of the package > > >> Cryptography but is someone is willing to do the port of it to > > >> Pharo? Most tests are break and it seems not to work because lots > > >> of Cryptography methods where in classes like SmallInteger and > > >> these methods were removed in Pharo. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mariano > > >> <ATT00001.txt> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] morph view hierarchy explorer

by Steve Wirts

ok, I'll fix these things thanks for your input On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi steven > > at the minimum you should comment the class and have some examples > methods that illustrate its purpose. ;) > and it would be to be able to invoke it from the inspector/explorer? > Then it would be good that the comments tell the user a little > scenario so that we can learn and improve from > it so far I had to read the cs file to see that you changed the debug > menu and > But for example I do not see how I can get one particular object to > flash > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > I've enhanced a few things to make use of existing tools as per an > > early thread. > > > > Is there any chance this simple enhancement can get integrated into > > the main > > stream of developement? It really is quite usefull in understanding > > a complex > > morph composition. > > < > > ViewHierarchyExplorer > > .st>_______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Hi guys > > Why don;t you join forces and create a Cryptography package which work > for pharo and for you. It's a good idea. > > Mariano I still would love to know the method of integer that are > missing I am a bit complicated at work right now. I hope tonight or tomorrow have the time and will tell you the methods. > > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Jan van de Sandt wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I faced the same problem with Cloudfork-AWS. This project required > > the Cryptography package for generating the signatures using SHA and > > for generating MD5 hash values. > > > > When I had problems loading the package in Pharo and I learned that > > the package was no longer maintained I copied the classes I required > > to a Cloudfork package. I needed the MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 classes. I > > renamed them to CFMD5, CFSHA1 and CFSHA256, I also prefixed all the > > methods in the required class extensions with cf. For example > > ThirtyTwoBitRegister>>cfBitShift: anInteger. You can use a simular > > approach for Glorp. > > > > Jan. > > > > PS: Another dependency of Cloudfork is a HTTP client. I'm now > > playing around with the CurlPlugin, this plugin works very well. > > Things like supporting https become real easy > > > > 2009/5/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat < > ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com > > > wrote: > > I'm really sorry to hear it is no longer being maintained. > > It was a necessary package to connect to properly set up Postgres > > databases, that requiere sending password hashes with SHA-1. We > > will probably face this kind of need when interacting with the > > outside world in general. > > > > Yes. That's why I saw it. I am trying to make Glorp to work in > > Pharo, but as you know Glorp in Squeak only works with Postgres. And > > the native postgres driver requieres cryptography package when you > > use md5 :( > > > > Just for now, I disable md5 from my postgres and use "password" auth- > > method. With this, cryptography is not needed. However, this is not > > an option in a production enviorment. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > It was a fantastic package, I wonder why the maintainers droped it. > > I suppose maintaining crypto frameworks up to date, with no > > vulnerabilities, is a lot of work. > > Sorry for venting out my sadnes to the list. > > Cheers > > > > r. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > > Sent: 22 May 2009 11:08 > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > > Ok I thought the cryptology package was working well and maintained. > > > > Stef > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > > > Agreed: I mentioned both curl and OpenSSL - we should embrace both. > > > AFACT, the cryptography package is a thing of the past, and we > > > should look to active projects. Tell me where I'm wrong, please. > > > > > > Another reality, fair or not: if we were to take on the enormous > > > burden of maintaining the cypto package, there would always be > > > questions about security holes we left open. The same will be true > > > of OpenSSL, but there is (not always fair) credibility in numbers > > > widely known projects. There will be would-be users of Pharo who > > > will want OpenSSL for its reputation, and who would question a home- > > > grown solution. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > ] On Behalf Of Fernando olivero > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:20 AM > > > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > > > > > > > Just a comment, > > > > > > you could use the new AlienFFI framework to comunicate with curl. > > > Or reify any C library you want in Pharo. > > > > > > Fernando > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > > > > >> The most recent post on the crytography mailing list starts out as > > >> follows: > > >> > > >> Since the Cryptography Team doesn't exists anymore, the > > >> Cryptography package is not maintained by anyone. The SSL > > >> implementation doesn't allow easy debugging, you can't just turn on > > >> logging to see what's happening. Following the state machine > > >> transitions should give you the answer why the handshake isn't > > >> succeding. It might be related to certificates or TLS->SSL3 > > >> fallback. If I were you, I would go with curl. > > >> I think it is time to write a wrapper around open SSL in addition > > >> to looking at the curl plugin. Trying to write cryptography code > > >> from scratch and get and keep it right is a huge effort, and pretty > > >> avoidable, and IMHO, better avoided by letting others do the job. > > >> Ever read Sun Tzu? > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck > > >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 PM > > >> To: Pharo Development > > >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > >> > > >> I don't know if there is anyone of the developers of the package > > >> Cryptography but is someone is willing to do the port of it to > > >> Pharo? Most tests are break and it seems not to work because lots > > >> of Cryptography methods where in classes like SmallInteger and > > >> these methods were removed in Pharo. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mariano > > >> <ATT00001.txt> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

tx for the pointer! On May 22, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > FYI OpenCobalt release has a Cryptography package added and is being > used to > TLS to Jabber..... > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de > StÃ©phane Ducasse > Enviado el: Viernes, 22 de Mayo de 2009 11:55 a.m. > Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo > > > Hi guys > > Why don;t you join forces and create a Cryptography package which work > for pharo and for you. > Mariano I still would love to know the method of integer that are > missing > > Stef > > On May 22, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Jan van de Sandt wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I faced the same problem with Cloudfork-AWS. This project required >> the Cryptography package for generating the signatures using SHA and >> for generating MD5 hash values. >> >> When I had problems loading the package in Pharo and I learned that >> the package was no longer maintained I copied the classes I required >> to a Cloudfork package. I needed the MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 classes. I >> renamed them to CFMD5, CFSHA1 and CFSHA256, I also prefixed all the >> methods in the required class extensions with cf. For example >> ThirtyTwoBitRegister>>cfBitShift: anInteger. You can use a simular >> approach for Glorp. >> >> Jan. >> >> PS: Another dependency of Cloudfork is a HTTP client. I'm now >> playing around with the CurlPlugin, this plugin works very well. >> Things like supporting https become real easy >> >> 2009/5/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat > <ramiro.diaz.trepat(a)jpmorgan.com >>> wrote: >> I'm really sorry to hear it is no longer being maintained. >> It was a necessary package to connect to properly set up Postgres >> databases, that requiere sending password hashes with SHA-1. We >> will probably face this kind of need when interacting with the >> outside world in general. >> >> Yes. That's why I saw it. I am trying to make Glorp to work in >> Pharo, but as you know Glorp in Squeak only works with Postgres. And >> the native postgres driver requieres cryptography package when you >> use md5 :( >> >> Just for now, I disable md5 from my postgres and use "password" auth- >> method. With this, cryptography is not needed. However, this is not >> an option in a production enviorment. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mariano >> >> >> It was a fantastic package, I wonder why the maintainers droped it. >> I suppose maintaining crypto frameworks up to date, with no >> vulnerabilities, is a lot of work. >> Sorry for venting out my sadnes to the list. >> Cheers >> >> r. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> ] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse >> Sent: 22 May 2009 11:08 >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo >> >> Ok I thought the cryptology package was working well and maintained. >> >> Stef >> >> On May 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> >>> Agreed: I mentioned both curl and OpenSSL - we should embrace both. >>> AFACT, the cryptography package is a thing of the past, and we >>> should look to active projects. Tell me where I'm wrong, please. >>> >>> Another reality, fair or not: if we were to take on the enormous >>> burden of maintaining the cypto package, there would always be >>> questions about security holes we left open. The same will be true >>> of OpenSSL, but there is (not always fair) credibility in numbers >>> widely known projects. There will be would-be users of Pharo who >>> will want OpenSSL for its reputation, and who would question a home- >>> grown solution. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> ] On Behalf Of Fernando olivero >>> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:20 AM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo >>> >>> >>> Just a comment, >>> >>> you could use the new AlienFFI framework to comunicate with curl. >>> Or reify any C library you want in Pharo. >>> >>> Fernando >>> >>> >>> On May 22, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>>> The most recent post on the crytography mailing list starts out as >>>> follows: >>>> >>>> Since the Cryptography Team doesn't exists anymore, the >>>> Cryptography package is not maintained by anyone. The SSL >>>> implementation doesn't allow easy debugging, you can't just turn on >>>> logging to see what's happening. Following the state machine >>>> transitions should give you the answer why the handshake isn't >>>> succeding. It might be related to certificates or TLS->SSL3 >>>> fallback. If I were you, I would go with curl. >>>> I think it is time to write a wrapper around open SSL in addition >>>> to looking at the curl plugin. Trying to write cryptography code >>>> from scratch and get and keep it right is a huge effort, and pretty >>>> avoidable, and IMHO, better avoided by letting others do the job. >>>> Ever read Sun Tzu? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 PM >>>> To: Pharo Development >>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo >>>> >>>> I don't know if there is anyone of the developers of the package >>>> Cryptography but is someone is willing to do the port of it to >>>> Pharo? Most tests are break and it seems not to work because lots >>>> of Cryptography methods where in classes like SmallInteger and >>>> these methods were removed in Pharo. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> <ATT00001.txt> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and >> conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of >> securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, >> confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, >> available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: > 30/04/2009 > 05:53 p.m. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 22, 2009