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[Pharo-project] [ANN] Some updates

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

10314 - Bookmorph more cleaning 10315 - fixing utf-8 characters in a couple of methods. - Issue 830: invalid utf8 in change log but we should really check http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=5996 to see if it solves the root of the problem. 10316 - reciprocal rewrite to get more license clean code 10317 - sensor fixes 10318 - Issue 803 Fix for http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail? id=803 Mantis http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6797 - Some tests from Gabriel for the relicensing Stef

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Crypt ... Libraries ...

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

Hi! stepken wrote: > https, md5, DES, AES .... i really wonder, why you can't decide to > plugin libcrypt ....? > In C programming language we have all, we can imagine. So why reinvent > the wheel by rewriting complex code in smalltalk? It is all about "open source itches". The crypto guys wanted to implement crypto techniques, not typically because they wanted to *use* them but probably because they wanted to *implement* them. > Why not including a small webserver in C language as plugin? Code is there. In that particular case I would rather favor say SimpleCGI: http://map.squeak.org/packagebyname/blackfoot It already works but of course would need a little bit of love for industrial strength integration with Seaside. It all comes down to *time*. Do you have time to spare? :) > Same with pdf libs - why not using Display PDF in C code with e.g. > PANGO, like Apple did with Mac OS X? More and more external libs are hooked up to Squeak, generally speaking. At the same time - Squeak runs bit identical in a magnitude of platforms and each time you depend on an external lib you end up depending on *its* portability. > No, instead of doing so, MORPHIC is still there, based on C-LANG blitter > code. Morphic is what it is. But it works and it serves a UI base that all Squeaks can share. It is not easily replaced over night with something else. There is an insight here that it can take years to gain: The Squeak environment (tools, Morphic etc) that we "live in" or work in or whatever - it needs to be comfortable enough to suit a large percentage of Squeakers. If it is not - people don't "live there" and if they don't live there noone will help out improving it. Thus, it is very hard to replace Morphic because you need something that works almost equally well (=comfortable enough) in order to gain a population in your new UI. If you do not gain a population - you do not get any help in evolving it, and you fail because it takes lots of man power. This effect has been seen over and over, and over. :) > Dear Squeak, Smalltalk, Pharo - developers - Do you still have the > overview or are you lost in Smalltalk details? Good question of course, we all try our best. Also, note that we all have different goals. regards, GÃ¶ran

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Categorizing methods

by Damien Cassou

2009/5/25 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > I am not sure what you mean. Â I found no way to set a method category. Â There is Move to extend class, but it gave me a walkback. Â I might have fixed that; see attached. Â If it is correct, we can discuss style and get it put where it can be harvested. Could you please rephrase your problem completely? I don't understand. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] 4.1.1beta2u redraw issue

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Sean Allen <sean(a)monkeysnatchbanana.com> wrote: > If I resize a window with the Mac 4.1.1beta2u vm, it takes a really > long time to redraw, sometimes up to 2 minutes or so in time. > > horizontally, it does it immediately. this only impact on a resize > that adds/removes space vertically. Have you tried with a previous VM? Have you tried with a previous image? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Crypt ... Libraries ...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Of course using C libraries is an interesting alternative now somebody has to do it written in C = maintain in C then we end up building walls around us, I like the idea that I can learn something by reading and putting a break point in the code. So if the crypto is working in Squeak I suggest to keep it. Igor I would not rewrite it. On May 26, 2009, at 1:04 AM, stepken wrote: > https, md5, DES, AES .... i really wonder, why you can't decide to > plugin libcrypt ....? > > In C programming language we have all, we can imagine. So why reinvent > the wheel by rewriting complex code in smalltalk? > > Why not including a small webserver in C language as plugin? Code is > there. > > Same with pdf libs - why not using Display PDF in C code with e.g. > PANGO, like Apple did with Mac OS X? > > No, instead of doing so, MORPHIC is still there, based on C-LANG > blitter > code. > > In Morphic, i noticed long time ago, there existed the possibility to > print every screen object, writing it directly to file, sending it to > the printer afterwards. > It never worked for me, i tried in 3.6, 3.8, 3.9. > > Being abble to print contents out of the box in PDF format, the > successor of PS, really would be nice ... > > Dear Squeak, Smalltalk, Pharo - developers - Do you still have the > overview or are you lost in Smalltalk details? > > cheers, Guido Stepken > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Crypt ... Libraries ...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > I think that after the 1.0 milestone, the core team should decide > about the infrastructure for applications & frameworks. Right now in > Squeak, there is too much way to install software : SqueakMap, > SqueakSource, Universes, changesets, sar ... > In Ruby, there is just one way to package software : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RubyGems much more simpler for beginners. yeap!

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Crypt ... Libraries ...

by Serge Stinckwich

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Carlos Crosetti <carlos(a)mostar.com.ar> wrote: > I am not in the position to discuss but I think the pharo communnity shows > strong leadership so is feasibe to have a core team focused on the > milestones and seeveral teams focused on frameworks and applications I think that after the 1.0 milestone, the core team should decide about the infrastructure for applications & frameworks. Right now in Squeak, there is too much way to install software : SqueakMap, SqueakSource, Universes, changesets, sar ... In Ruby, there is just one way to package software : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RubyGems much more simpler for beginners. -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

May 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] WikiServer - very nice!

by David T. Lewis

I finally tried downloading some applications to an iPod Touch that I received as a birthday present last year (OK, I'm a slow learner). I tried Google Earth and John's WikiServer. Both very cool. So now I have a complete wiki and web server running on that little gadget. Fits in my pocket, no disk drives, no wires. Nicely done John. Dave

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Crypt ... Libraries ...

by Carlos Crosetti

I am not in the position to discuss but I think the pharo communnity shows strong leadership so is feasibe to have a core team focused on the milestones and seeveral teams focused on frameworks and applications -----Mensaje original----- De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de stepken Enviado el: Lunes, 25 de Mayo de 2009 08:05 p.m. Para: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Asunto: [Pharo-project] Crypt ... Libraries ... https, md5, DES, AES .... i really wonder, why you can't decide to plugin libcrypt ....? In C programming language we have all, we can imagine. So why reinvent the wheel by rewriting complex code in smalltalk? Why not including a small webserver in C language as plugin? Code is there. Same with pdf libs - why not using Display PDF in C code with e.g. PANGO, like Apple did with Mac OS X? No, instead of doing so, MORPHIC is still there, based on C-LANG blitter code. In Morphic, i noticed long time ago, there existed the possibility to print every screen object, writing it directly to file, sending it to the printer afterwards. It never worked for me, i tried in 3.6, 3.8, 3.9. Being abble to print contents out of the box in PDF format, the successor of PS, really would be nice ... Dear Squeak, Smalltalk, Pharo - developers - Do you still have the overview or are you lost in Smalltalk details? cheers, Guido Stepken _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 30/04/2009 05:53 p.m.

May 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo FFI 3.9.1

by Carlos Crosetti

thanks so much ran "Win32Utils getCommonEnvironmentVariables" safe and sound -----Mensaje original----- De: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr]En nombre de Mariano Martinez Peck Enviado el: Lunes, 25 de Mayo de 2009 07:47 p.m. Para: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Asunto: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo FFI 3.9.1 You can install it just evaluating this: ScriptLoader loadFFI. This is also here: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CodeSnippets Cheers, Mariano On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM, clarence.westberg <clarence.westberg(a)gmail.com> wrote: What is the secret to getting FFI 3.9.1 to install from the Universe Browser in Pharo? I always get a MessageNotUnderstood: MIMEType>>indexOf: error _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 26, 2009