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[Pharo-project] Fwd: to go beta?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > Marcus, Adrian, Mike > how do we proceed to go beta? > take the 1.0 fixes and integrate them. > put a deadline and do it? > > Stef > > >

June 11, 2009

[Pharo-project] call for tester for

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys would be nice if some of u could test: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… Thanks

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fixes for Numbers are ready (toward ANSI)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks nicolas BTW did you got feedback about this one? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… On Jun 11, 2009, at 9:24 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > I cumulated the changes in this order: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=874 > PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis6985-Issue874-Integer-bitAt-nice.1 > add Integer #bitAt: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=875 > PharoIbox/SLICE-Mantis6601-Issue875-Float-hash-nice.1 > fix Float hash > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=876 > PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis3374-Issue876-Arithmetic-Equality-transitive- > Part1-nice.1 > PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis3374-Issue876-Arithmetic-Equality-transitive- > Part2-nice.1 > fix number equal transitivity (and further change Fraction hash) > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=681 > PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis6982-Issue681-Number-readFrom-nice.1 > connect SqNumberParser in Number readFrom: (with backward > compatibility) > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=879 > PharoInbox/SLICE-Issue879-ANSI-FloatCharacterization-nice.1 > add ANSI Float Characterization > > Please review :) > > Nicolas > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2009

[Pharo-project] Fixes for Numbers are ready (toward ANSI)

by Nicolas Cellier

I cumulated the changes in this order: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=874 PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis6985-Issue874-Integer-bitAt-nice.1 add Integer #bitAt: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=875 PharoIbox/SLICE-Mantis6601-Issue875-Float-hash-nice.1 fix Float hash http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=876 PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis3374-Issue876-Arithmetic-Equality-transitive-Part1-nice.1 PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis3374-Issue876-Arithmetic-Equality-transitive-Part2-nice.1 fix number equal transitivity (and further change Fraction hash) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=681 PharoInbox/SLICE-Mantis6982-Issue681-Number-readFrom-nice.1 connect SqNumberParser in Number readFrom: (with backward compatibility) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?id=879 PharoInbox/SLICE-Issue879-ANSI-FloatCharacterization-nice.1 add ANSI Float Characterization Please review :) Nicolas

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] multiple native windows

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks john stef On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:40 PM, John M McIntosh wrote: > I'll note the Ffenestri.zip has both the Ffenestri and the HostMenu > os- > x logic in it. > You'll need to be careful and only integrate the Ffenestri logic since > the HostMenu logic > already was integrated into Pharo and was updated for the new sensor > logic so likely loading > the "HostMenus-Base.2.cs" for example will break your image. > > On 11-Jun-09, at 11:35 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> <Ffenestri.zip> > > -- > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: > squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// > www.smalltalkconsulting.com > = > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] multiple native windows

by John M McIntosh

I'll note the Ffenestri.zip has both the Ffenestri and the HostMenu os- x logic in it. You'll need to be careful and only integrate the Ffenestri logic since the HostMenu logic already was integrated into Pharo and was updated for the new sensor logic so likely loading the "HostMenus-Base.2.cs" for example will break your image. On 11-Jun-09, at 11:35 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > <Ffenestri.zip> -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] multiple native windows

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Steve Wirts wrote: > I thought it was someone's name at first :) > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3862 > > This looks right to me, thanks for the heads up stef. I don't see > where there is any code available however. A concrete starting > point might be with vm primitives for creating and controlling > native windows; once these are in place, it is a matter of creating > a small pharo codebase to manage the OS resources(ffenestria), and > drawing to them through primitives via the GraphicsContext > (bitblitting of course). I would think that most everything in > morphic would continue to work as is. > > does this make sense? > > If the primitives existed, I could help out, but not being a c/c++ > programmer I am at a disadvantage here. > > > 2009/6/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > what is ffenestria? links? > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > > > > Would it be ok if this was configurable via a user preference, > > meaning pharo supported both? > > sure. > > > A VisualWorks multiple-native-window capability would open up the > > possibility of creating a different class of applications. Alot of > > my work revolves around integration with legacy systems. Having a > > smalltalk with multiple native windows would allow me to more > > seamlessly introduce it into the world of tools at my company. > > I really think that if somebody would work on ffenestria we would > integrate it. > > > > > > > thanks > > sw > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > wrote: > > > > I used Visualworks and Squeak, and frankly, I prefer to have > embedded > > morphic windows in a unique native window, as it is now in Pharo. > > Application switching is easier in my opinion and I do not feel a > need > > to have an email clients between two code browsers. > > As the discussion on save and quit testified, people have radically > > different habits when programming. Even for simple things. > > Interesting. > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 11 Jun 2009, at 10:58, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > > > If the primitives existed in pharo that would allow someone to > > > create and control native windows, I would be more than happy to > > > take the time to try and massage morphic into working cleanly/ > > > elegantly with multiple windows. > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Michael Rueger<m.rueger(a)acm.org> > > > wrote: > > > > Also the GTK bindings and Newspeak use native windows (I > > > > think?). > > > > > > Newspeak uses either native or morphic windows, depending on the > > > wishes of the user. > > > > > > -- > > > Damien Cassou > > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > > > > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > > > popular by not having them." James Iry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] multiple native windows

by Steve Wirts

I thought it was someone's name at first :) http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3862 This looks right to me, thanks for the heads up stef. I don't see where there is any code available however. A concrete starting point might be with vm primitives for creating and controlling native windows; once these are in place, it is a matter of creating a small pharo codebase to manage the OS resources(ffenestria), and drawing to them through primitives via the GraphicsContext (bitblitting of course). I would think that most everything in morphic would continue to work as is. does this make sense? If the primitives existed, I could help out, but not being a c/c++ programmer I am at a disadvantage here. 2009/6/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > what is ffenestria? links? > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> >> > Would it be ok if this was configurable via a user preference, >> > meaning pharo supported both? >> >> sure. >> >> > A VisualWorks multiple-native-window capability would open up the >> > possibility of creating a different class of applications. Alot of >> > my work revolves around integration with legacy systems. Having a >> > smalltalk with multiple native windows would allow me to more >> > seamlessly introduce it into the world of tools at my company. >> >> I really think that if somebody would work on ffenestria we would >> integrate it. >> >> > >> > >> > thanks >> > sw >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu >> > > wrote: >> > >> > I used Visualworks and Squeak, and frankly, I prefer to have embedded >> > morphic windows in a unique native window, as it is now in Pharo. >> > Application switching is easier in my opinion and I do not feel a need >> > to have an email clients between two code browsers. >> > As the discussion on save and quit testified, people have radically >> > different habits when programming. Even for simple things. >> > Interesting. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> > On 11 Jun 2009, at 10:58, Steve Wirts wrote: >> > >> > > If the primitives existed in pharo that would allow someone to >> > > create and control native windows, I would be more than happy to >> > > take the time to try and massage morphic into working cleanly/ >> > > elegantly with multiple windows. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Damien Cassou < >> damien.cassou(a)gmail.com >> > > > wrote: >> > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Michael Rueger<m.rueger(a)acm.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > > Also the GTK bindings and Newspeak use native windows (I >> > > > think?). >> > > >> > > Newspeak uses either native or morphic windows, depending on the >> > > wishes of the user. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Damien Cassou >> > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> > > >> > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> > > popular by not having them." James Iry >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pharo-project mailing list >> > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pharo-project mailing list >> > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] multiple native windows

by Mariano Martinez Peck

what is ffenestria? links? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > > > Would it be ok if this was configurable via a user preference, > > meaning pharo supported both? > > sure. > > > A VisualWorks multiple-native-window capability would open up the > > possibility of creating a different class of applications. Alot of > > my work revolves around integration with legacy systems. Having a > > smalltalk with multiple native windows would allow me to more > > seamlessly introduce it into the world of tools at my company. > > I really think that if somebody would work on ffenestria we would > integrate it. > > > > > > > thanks > > sw > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > wrote: > > > > I used Visualworks and Squeak, and frankly, I prefer to have embedded > > morphic windows in a unique native window, as it is now in Pharo. > > Application switching is easier in my opinion and I do not feel a need > > to have an email clients between two code browsers. > > As the discussion on save and quit testified, people have radically > > different habits when programming. Even for simple things. > > Interesting. > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 11 Jun 2009, at 10:58, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > > > If the primitives existed in pharo that would allow someone to > > > create and control native windows, I would be more than happy to > > > take the time to try and massage morphic into working cleanly/ > > > elegantly with multiple windows. > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Damien Cassou < > damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Michael Rueger<m.rueger(a)acm.org> > > > wrote: > > > > Also the GTK bindings and Newspeak use native windows (I > > > > think?). > > > > > > Newspeak uses either native or morphic windows, depending on the > > > wishes of the user. > > > > > > -- > > > Damien Cassou > > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > > > > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > > > popular by not having them." James Iry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 11, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] multiple native windows

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Would it be ok if this was configurable via a user preference, > meaning pharo supported both? sure. > A VisualWorks multiple-native-window capability would open up the > possibility of creating a different class of applications. Alot of > my work revolves around integration with legacy systems. Having a > smalltalk with multiple native windows would allow me to more > seamlessly introduce it into the world of tools at my company. I really think that if somebody would work on ffenestria we would integrate it. > > > thanks > sw > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > wrote: > > I used Visualworks and Squeak, and frankly, I prefer to have embedded > morphic windows in a unique native window, as it is now in Pharo. > Application switching is easier in my opinion and I do not feel a need > to have an email clients between two code browsers. > As the discussion on save and quit testified, people have radically > different habits when programming. Even for simple things. > Interesting. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 11 Jun 2009, at 10:58, Steve Wirts wrote: > > > If the primitives existed in pharo that would allow someone to > > create and control native windows, I would be more than happy to > > take the time to try and massage morphic into working cleanly/ > > elegantly with multiple windows. > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com > > > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Michael Rueger<m.rueger(a)acm.org> > > wrote: > > > Also the GTK bindings and Newspeak use native windows (I > > > think?). > > > > Newspeak uses either native or morphic windows, depending on the > > wishes of the user. > > > > -- > > Damien Cassou > > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > > popular by not having them." James Iry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 11, 2009