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Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Janko, The UUID initialize snag is a VM defect; rename the UUID plugin _folder_ to work around it. I'm with you on speed; it's a problem. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Janko MivÅ¡ek Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:01 AM To: Pharo Development Subject: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Hello Pharoers, I just load the 10342-dev and here are my observations: - right mouse now works ok by default on my Linux - clipboard works mostly well between Linux-Pharo, sometimes it forgets a new copy on Linux and paste old content instead. But not work yet between VW (on Linux) and Pharo. But this can be a problem on VW side as well. It is very annoying while syncing the code between VA and Pharo. - right click inside browser raise an exception: OBTextSelection(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #isMethodNode - loading from MC is much slower that in, say squeak 3.9 - saving MC crashed image (segfault in UUID initalize)! - slow response on every user action (mouse click or keyboard press), specially in browser. This is quite annoying, because it is only app on my PC with such slow response. And my PC is not slow (3.2MHz). Response is near 500ms, which is well above acceptable level which is near 200-300ms. - default look@feel doesn't look very nice, nor professional on my Linux with KDE - window controls are just the opposite and on the opposite side of the default one on Linux! This is very annoying and really a show-stopper IMO, on Linux and also Windows. Can you auto setup the other look@feel by default here, as you did for swapMouse? - renaming just a local method with the same method as in other classes not possible - removing such method not work as well (refactor method>remove) - why refactoring part of right-click menu is not local to method, or category, or class? But don't forget that merits of current Pharo are much bigger than above shortcomings, so accept those critics as an encouragement to do it even better! Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Interesting, but that does not (so far) appear to help with code coming from Dolphin. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:59 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else? > Any preferences for moving code between dialects? Monticello. It is natively supported on Squeak, Pharo, GemStone and VisualWorks. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 25, 2009

[Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hello Pharoers, I just load the 10342-dev and here are my observations: - right mouse now works ok by default on my Linux - clipboard works mostly well between Linux-Pharo, sometimes it forgets a new copy on Linux and paste old content instead. But not work yet between VW (on Linux) and Pharo. But this can be a problem on VW side as well. It is very annoying while syncing the code between VA and Pharo. - right click inside browser raise an exception: OBTextSelection(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #isMethodNode - loading from MC is much slower that in, say squeak 3.9 - saving MC crashed image (segfault in UUID initalize)! - slow response on every user action (mouse click or keyboard press), specially in browser. This is quite annoying, because it is only app on my PC with such slow response. And my PC is not slow (3.2MHz). Response is near 500ms, which is well above acceptable level which is near 200-300ms. - default look@feel doesn't look very nice, nor professional on my Linux with KDE - window controls are just the opposite and on the opposite side of the default one on Linux! This is very annoying and really a show-stopper IMO, on Linux and also Windows. Can you auto setup the other look@feel by default here, as you did for swapMouse? - renaming just a local method with the same method as in other classes not possible - removing such method not work as well (refactor method>remove) - why refactoring part of right-click menu is not local to method, or category, or class? But don't forget that merits of current Pharo are much bigger than above shortcomings, so accept those critics as an encouragement to do it even better! Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else?

by Lukas Renggli

> Any preferences for moving code between dialects? Monticello. It is natively supported on Squeak, Pharo, GemStone and VisualWorks. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

June 25, 2009

[Pharo-project] Porting strategy

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, I have some very simplistic OO-RDB mapping code, and part of me likes it that way. I am starting to port it from Dolphin to Squeak, and see a few possible extremes. First, I could edit the code to use the Squeak ODBC class names, I could create the "missing" classes to allow things to load, and then make it all work, finally, I could define globals so that, e.g., Dolphin's DBConnection becomes a global pointing to ODBCConnection, and then try to make it all work. Any suggestions? Bill

June 25, 2009

[Pharo-project] Moving code: SIF, something else?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, Any preferences for moving code between dialects? I have a copy of SIF in case anyone wants it. Bill

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC on Pharo?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2009/6/25 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > Mariano, > > It looks like it worked. The version you recommend > I didn't recommend nothing, just comment to you what I tested. I have NO IDEA of the ODBC driver. I cannot recommend you what to use. Sorry. > mentions "the old enhancements" package and a well-intentioned raid on > same, so hopefully the package is complete enough as-is??? > I guess and hope so. > > I will end up using MySQL and SQL server (not my doing<g>), and maybe > Oracle. Progress on Linux is great, but I will end up needing to use win2k3 > too. > > Oracle and MS SQL are supported in Linux and Windows for SqueakDBX. MySQL only in Linux because I am having problems in Windows :( Be aware that OpenDBX uses asynchronous queries when possible, so, the time the VM is lock is very small ;) Best, Mariano Thanks! > Bill > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] *On Behalf Of *Mariano > Martinez Peck > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:31 PM > *To:* Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC on Pharo? > > Bill: > How are you trying to install it? I just download from MC > http://www.squeaksource.com/ODBC > version: ODBC-rjl.10 and latest FFI (ScriptLoader loadFFI) and it was > sucessuflly (I think) installed. > > I am using Pharo 10328. > > I have no idea is this is the correct ODBC. I cannot neither test it > because I don't see any test. > I saw also ODBCEnh but I don't know which one do you want. > > Anyway, SqueakDBX also supports ODBC. Right now ODBC only works in Linux. > You can see the supported backend here: > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6108 > > Which database are you using? > > Cheers, > > Mariano > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Are any of you loading the ODBC packages into Pharo? I'm hitting a >> problem that looks like it might be due to compiler or related changes. One >> solution might be to load the gzipped change set into an older Squeak and >> save a .mcz file. Does any of this sound familiar/handled to you? If so, I >> would appreciate a pointer in the right direction. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC on Pharo?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Mariano, It looks like it worked. The version you recommend mentions "the old enhancements" package and a well-intentioned raid on same, so hopefully the package is complete enough as-is??? I will end up using MySQL and SQL server (not my doing<g>), and maybe Oracle. Progress on Linux is great, but I will end up needing to use win2k3 too. Thanks! Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:31 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ODBC on Pharo? Bill: How are you trying to install it? I just download from MC http://www.squeaksource.com/ODBC version: ODBC-rjl.10 and latest FFI (ScriptLoader loadFFI) and it was sucessuflly (I think) installed. I am using Pharo 10328. I have no idea is this is the correct ODBC. I cannot neither test it because I don't see any test. I saw also ODBCEnh but I don't know which one do you want. Anyway, SqueakDBX also supports ODBC. Right now ODBC only works in Linux. You can see the supported backend here: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6108 Which database are you using? Cheers, Mariano On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Hello all, Are any of you loading the ODBC packages into Pharo? I'm hitting a problem that looks like it might be due to compiler or related changes. One solution might be to load the gzipped change set into an older Squeak and save a .mcz file. Does any of this sound familiar/handled to you? If so, I would appreciate a pointer in the right direction. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] SqueakDBX news

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: > Thanks for the update. Please keep us posted. > Of course we will do :) > > This is important work! > Thanks Adrian. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > On Jun 24, 2009, at 22:43 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Hi folks. We want to tell you some news about our project > > > > 1) We has been selected (as we were in 2008) to the ESUG SummerTalk > > 2009. > > You can read more here: http://www.esug.org/Promotion/SummerTalk > > As you may notice, most of this work is related to the Glorp > > refactor and > > integration with SqueakDBX. > > > > 2) We will give a talk in ESUG conference 2009. See more here: > > http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2009/Current+List+of+Talks > > > > 3) We had applied for ESUG Innovation TechnologyAwards > > > > 4) We are developing our own website using Seaside and Pier. I will > > have all > > we have right now in http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 and there > > will be a > > blog where we will post all of our progress. Don't ask how this is > > persisted > > ;) > > > > 5) We have created a mailing list. If you are interested, you can > > join: > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakdbx > > All questions, bug reports, etc, should be ask there. This is in > > order to > > avoid noise in other mailing lists and in addition perhaps not all > > SqueakDBX > > team is subscribed to all mailing lists (squeak, pharo...) > > > > 6) We have done the first refactor to Glorp and it is all green with > > native > > driver. With SqueakDBX driver is almost all green with PostgreSQL :) > > > > > > Finally, we want to thanks ESUG for its contribution. They really > > helps us a > > lot in many many ways. It's nice to see people promoting smalltalk > > development. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mariano > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 25, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Faster Sets Project: Response to comments.

by Damien Cassou

2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > can this be of interest? I think so: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=902&can=1&q=faster%20sets&c… -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

June 25, 2009