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Re: [Pharo-project] FFI problem

by Benoit St-Jean

Microsoft Windows XP (Build 2600 Service Pack 3) VM Version: Squeak 3.11.2 (alpha) from May 19 2009 Compiler: gcc 2.95.2 19991024 (release) Current byte code: 205 Primitive index: 71 Loaded plugins: odbc32 SqueakFFIPrims 6 March 2009 (e) Matrix2x3Plugin 6 March 2009 (i) FloatArrayPlugin 6 March 2009 (i) SocketPlugin 27 March 2009 (i) FT2Plugin 6 March 2009 (e) LargeIntegers v1.5 6 March 2009 (i) ZipPlugin 6 March 2009 (i) B2DPlugin 6 March 2009 (i) BitBltPlugin 6 March 2009 (i) SecurityPlugin 6 March 2009 (i) FilePlugin 6 March 2009 (i) MiscPrimitivePlugin 6 March 2009 (i) ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ From: Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; andreas.raab(a)gmx.de Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:14:15 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FFI problem 2009/6/26 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> Anyone here using FFI (and possibly ODBC) with Pharo? Yes I am, in SqueakDBX. For latests Pharo images (closure images) you need FFI-Kernel-ar.9 (the latest FFI version). You can simply evaluate: ScriptLoader loadFFI. Which OS are you using? I test it here in Windows and have the same results, the image crash. In Linux I think I don't have this problem. Andres, do you know what can be the problem? Anyway, FFI is working well (without taking in mind FFI tests). I have SqueakDBX perfectly working (and it uses FFI). For ODBC: I can told you 2 things: 1) Search in this list because there was a topic about this in this week (http://n2.nabble.com/ODBC-on-Pharo--td3152288.html#a3152288) and there should be more. 2) You can try SqueakDBX instead of ODBC. It has not only an ODBC backend, but also Oracle, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Sqlite3 and MS SQLServer. It also works in Linux, Mac and Windows (depends on the database). And finally, when possible, we use asynchronous queries so that to lock the VM as little as possible. For further information, read our wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 Best, Mariano Trying the SUnit tests that comes with the package makes the VM crash. BAM! Quick & simple exit as soon as I run it! ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] FFI problem

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2009/6/26 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > Anyone here using FFI (and possibly ODBC) with Pharo? > Yes I am, in SqueakDBX. For latests Pharo images (closure images) you need FFI-Kernel-ar.9 (the latest FFI version). You can simply evaluate: ScriptLoader loadFFI. Which OS are you using? I test it here in Windows and have the same results, the image crash. In Linux I think I don't have this problem. Andres, do you know what can be the problem? Anyway, FFI is working well (without taking in mind FFI tests). I have SqueakDBX perfectly working (and it uses FFI). For ODBC: I can told you 2 things: 1) Search in this list because there was a topic about this in this week ( http://n2.nabble.com/ODBC-on-Pharo--td3152288.html#a3152288) and there should be more. 2) You can try SqueakDBX instead of ODBC. It has not only an ODBC backend, but also Oracle, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Sqlite3 and MS SQLServer. It also works in Linux, Mac and Windows (depends on the database). And finally, when possible, we use asynchronous queries so that to lock the VM as little as possible. For further information, read our wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 Best, Mariano > > Trying the SUnit tests that comes with the package makes the VM crash. > BAM! Quick & simple exit as soon as I run it! > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) > > ------------------------------ > Looking for the perfect gift?* Give the gift of Flickr!*<http://www.flickr.com/gift/> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 26, 2009

[Pharo-project] FFI problem

by Benoit St-Jean

Anyone here using FFI (and possibly ODBC) with Pharo? Trying the SUnit tests that comes with the package makes the VM crash. BAM! Quick & simple exit as soon as I run it! ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Gary Chambers

Good answer... easily done. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > Gary, > > I think the correct answer is to have "meta theme" that does the expected > thing on each platform. If that is the selected theme, then it notes the > platform and tries to adapt, but it still allows a user to choose a > specific theme for performance, personal preference, etc. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary > Chambers > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:24 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > +1 for getting perfomance better. > Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, > sluggishness before image save. > I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a > bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process > broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). > > Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select > the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme > each startup... > > Just a few thoughts. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > > Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that > would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use > any > theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts > (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. > > <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it > takes > to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes > is > selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >>> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >>> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). >> >> It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! >> In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a >> windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on >> the right. >> So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. > > Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular > by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Faster Sets Project: Response to comments.

by Damien Pollet

We have a huge set of tests for the collections in the package CollectionsTests (at http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoInbox.html ). They test external behavior, so they should be rather abstract compared to tests of particular implementations. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 15:13, Damien Cassou<damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> can this be of interest? > > I think so: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=902&can=1&q=faster%20sets&c… > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Gary, I think the correct answer is to have "meta theme" that does the expected thing on each platform. If that is the selected theme, then it notes the platform and tries to adapt, but it still allows a user to choose a specific theme for performance, personal preference, etc. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Gary Chambers Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:24 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 +1 for getting perfomance better. Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, sluggishness before image save. I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Gary Chambers

It is entirely possible... Personally I'd like to hold off introducing any more preferences until we've all migrated to settings... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano Martinez Peck To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... For me it has no sense to make different themes for different platform. What I would do, at least in this case, is to make the part of the theme that shows the windows control, platform dependent (like swapMouseButtons). Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the > default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each > startup... > For me it has no sense to make different themes for different platform. What I would do, at least in this case, is to make the part of the theme that shows the windows control, platform dependent (like swapMouseButtons). > > Just a few thoughts. > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > > Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that > would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use > any > theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts > (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. > > <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it > takes > to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes > is > selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien > Cassou > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? > >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > > the right. > > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. > > Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular > by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Gary Chambers

+1 for getting perfomance better. Janko seems to have run into the unfortunate, apparently temporary, sluggishness before image save. I have noticed, however, that the input event fetcher does take up quite a bit of relative cpu, if you believe the process browser (open process broser and start CPU watcher/auto-update). Perhaps we need a "first start on new platform" kind of thing to select the default theme. Would be annoying to revert the user's chosen theme each startup... Just a few thoughts. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

June 26, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > Agreed. I suppose there could be a platform-dependent theme option that > would make a reasonabl choice, but one should be able to override to use any > theme anywhere. One possible solution would be to add some sample scripts > (could be as simple as do-its in a workspace) that customize a few things. > > <whackDeadHorse>We should probably be more concerned about how long it > takes to open a browser than we are about which of the various wonderful > themes is selected by default.</whackDeadHorse> It's a matter of effort. This change seems to be too much simpler compared to performance one. If the problems for performance were easy it would have been already fixed. > > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Damien Cassou > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:05 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342 > > 2009/6/25 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > >> Is there a preference that would need to be made platform dependent? > >> I don't quite understand (probably since I am on Mac). > > > > It would be nice :) As the swapMouseButtons! > > In Mac, you have the controls to minimize, maximize and close a > > windows on the top left of the windows. In Linux and Windows, this is on > the right. > > So...using Polymorph in Linux or Windows is a bit weird for us. > > Just changing the Polymorph theme would do it I guess. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular > by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

June 26, 2009