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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM setup problem: where is pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux source package available?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Stef: where should I put this type of things so that not to forget it ? Google code seems not to have tickets that aren't bugs...or I don't see them Best, Mariano On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:23 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > Thanks for the idea. > this would be nice to have a pointer to a forge for the vm code. > > Stef > > > Hi Mariano, > > > > I welcome your decision. More reasons: > > > > - Most linux distributions do not have a standard configuration. > > If you cannot go through the configuration/make/install cycle, a > > package may simply not run on a certain target system. > > If you cannot go through these cycles, your possibilities to fix > > that are very limited. > > > > - Without sources, consumers cannot directly contribute to the defect > > tracking, fixing or development process > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > Mariano Martinez Peck schrieb: > >> I also think adding sources to Pharo webpage is a good idea. I saw > >> a lot of > >> people, who say "I wont use an enviorment in production that I > >> cannot have > >> the code and build it by myself". And I think they are correct! > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Andreas Leidig <Andreas.Leidig(a)gmx.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >>> Dear List, > >>> > >>> who has/where is pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux source package? > >>> > >>> I have a setup problem which I think I can determine or even solve > >>> with > >>> the sources. > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Andreas > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 10, 2009

[Pharo-project] Fix for issue 948

by Nicolas Cellier

Name: SLICE-Issue948-Mantis7361-FloatCompare-nice.1 Author: nice Time: 10 July 2009, 10:44:40 pm UUID: 6460f6cf-3eab-4195-8013-a10d080c4b7b Ancestors: Dependencies: Kernel-nice.renggli.363, KernelTests-nice.121 Test and fix for issue http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=948 mantis http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7361 self assert: 0.5 >= (1/2). Thanks to Eliot for finding

July 10, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Creating install scripts - any tools?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > Hello all, > > Are there any tools that help in writing install scripts? I am thinking > along the lines of something that would sniff out all MC packages with me as > author and propose a script to load them. As an optional bonus, it might > put them in the correct order?? I wrote a tool called Migrate to do these > kinds of things for Dolphin, and (if I ever figure it out) will release a > Pharo-friendly version. > I don't know if there is a tool. What I do is create by hand my own script. As a base, I look to the install script that comes with the image (Damien's one) and also to lukas one: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 10, 2009

[Pharo-project] Creating install scripts - any tools?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, Are there any tools that help in writing install scripts? I am thinking along the lines of something that would sniff out all MC packages with me as author and propose a script to load them. As an optional bonus, it might put them in the correct order?? I wrote a tool called Migrate to do these kinds of things for Dolphin, and (if I ever figure it out) will release a Pharo-friendly version. Bill

July 10, 2009

[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10374

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Fixing deprecation (since it was not working) Deprecated some methods in Utilities (slowly we will get there) Stef

July 10, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: Usability and look-and-feel (was Re: The future ofSqueak & Pharo (was Re: [ANN] Pharo MIT licenseclean))

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, One of my greatest concerns about/for the Squeak community is an overall tone of "*YOU* can't do that because *I* think its's ugly" - or in this case, too slow. So, far be it from me to tell you that you cannot have even a super slow browser that does something you need. That's all the more true when you are doing such great things for Smalltalk and Pharo in particular. I am certainly not suggesting that we remove the browser that helps you make things better. However, I suggest that we consider carefully what we choose as the default tools, or at least give options to those who are finding the current defaults to be slow. Even if we continue with the OB as the default, we could at least have a script somewhere with a comment along the lines of "for a faster (at the expense of features) IDE, evaluate the following:". It appears that we indeed have the alternate tools lurking in the image, so a little advertising might go a long way until we can fix the bottlenecks or Elliot makes a VM that overpowers them. I *think* I am asking only that we advertise the options and perhaps delay cleaning certain parts of the system until the high end tools get a speed boost. Alternately, we could take up a recent suggestion to temporarily disable specific features that are hobbling performance - either way that preserves what you need is fine by me. Is that reasonable? Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:41 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: Usability and look-and-feel (was Re: The future ofSqueak & Pharo (was Re: [ANN] Pharo MIT licenseclean)) yes probably but I really needed that when curving out etoy On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> OUCH!!!! That's quite an example; just for giggles, I started up a >>> 3.9 polymorph image and retraced my steps (via message names, same >>> as in Pharo) and had a prompt reply. After doing that, I found >>> that Pharo (win32) had indeed completed the task. >> >> Again, this has nothing to do with Pharo, OmniBrowser or Polymorph. >> >> This is PackageInfo that is so slow when trying to find out the >> owning package of each of the 6334 methods. If the display of the >> package for every method is removed the sender browser opens almost >> instantly. > > Then we should remove or at least temporarily disable it. The user > doesn't care why something is slow. > > michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

July 10, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: good keybinder

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 2009-07-10 13:16:50 -0300, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> said: > > > Hi all > > I would love to have emacs like end of line and others. > I remember that there were two keybinding frameworks working in Squeak. > It would be great to rescue one and use it in pharo. > Do you have any personal experience with that issue? > > Stef Well... Mars project was born because I was unable to properly program a cmd+w key with keybinder :P but anyway, +1 to a good keybinder :) Esteban

July 10, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: Usability and look-and-feel (was Re: The future ofSqueak & Pharo (was Re: [ANN] Pharo MIT licenseclean))

by Brian Brown

On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Keith Hodges wrote: > I don't know if this helps but in MC1.5 Matthew sped up the > PackageInfo > routines for scanning the image by a factor of 10 or so. > Hi Keith, Did you have to modify the API provided to MC, or just refactor the internal implementation in PackageInfo. If the latter it could be quick speedup until PackageInfo is replaced. - Brian > Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 10, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint at ESUG

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Michael rouger: are you going to be there? I still have some utf problems with my latinamerican keyboard in Linux nobody could reproduce...perhaps we can debug it there (I will have my notebook with me) and see if we find the problem. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:34 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > yes > On Jul 9, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > I don't know if I have the experience and knowledge to fix some > > bugs, but as I will be there I would love to have a Pharo sprint and > > help as much as possible. > > > > I think camp is a good place for it. Stef: you wanted to say sunday > > 30 ? > > > > Best, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > wrote: > > Hi all > > > > some of us want to organise a pharo sprint at ESUG and I think it > > would be great to kill > > bug entry. The sunday would be cool. > > > > Stef > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

July 10, 2009

[Pharo-project] Fwd: good keybinder

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi all I would love to have emacs like end of line and others. I remember that there were two keybinding frameworks working in Squeak. It would be great to rescue one and use it in pharo. Do you have any personal experience with that issue? Stef

July 10, 2009