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[Pharo-project] Author name prompt window is too big

by Oscar Nierstrasz

Today I was giving a Pharo demo, using a slightly larger than standard font. When I tried to commit a change, the prompt for my user name was bigger than the available screen space on my laptop. Luckily I could still type, though I could not see what I was typing. Can we please modify Author>>messagePrompt to use a *short* message? The existing one is ridiculously large. Author>>messagePrompt ^ 'Please type your name. It will be used to sign the changes you make to the image. Try to write an ASCII approximation of your name with only alphabetic characters and avoiding, if possible, spaces, accents, dashes and similar characters. Examples (The prefered form is the first one of each name): Miguel CobÃ¡ -> MiguelCoba Miguel CobÃ¡ -> miguel.coba Miguel CobÃ¡ -> miguel_coba GÃ¶ran Krampe -> GoranKrampe GÃ¶ran Krampe -> GoeranKrampe GÃ¶ran Krampe -> goran.krampe GÃ¶ran Krampe -> goran_krampe Vincent van Gogh -> VincentVanGogh StÃ©phane DUCASSE -> StephaneDucasse StÃ©phane DUCASSE -> stephane.ducasse Yoshiki Oshima -> YoshikiOshima Yoshiki Oshima -> yoshiki.oshima ' The first example would be good enough. - on

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph - TabIndex and layoutFrames questions

by David Corking

Gary wrote: > There used to be a good description on Bob's Super Swiki, though that seems > to have vanished. This helped me: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2141

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository

by Andrey Larionov

My 2 cents. It's very cool what there will be a packaging system. But i think what it should allow distribution not only code, but asets too. Like images, or css (for web application) On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 15:59, Michael Robers <mike(a)mjr104.co.uk> wrote: > am interested in learning how we could use metacello. Not for 1.0. > Before we commit to it for 1.1 I think we would need to conduct an > experiment in parallel to get a feel for it. We should also review the > other proposals. Then commit to one proposal for 1.1 1.2 etc and make > the process work. Â Or we could stall 1.1 until we have

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository

by Lukas Renggli

> I agree. Universes is cool but: > > - it requires a dedicated server and only few people installed one already > - it only allows one administrator per package description Setting up an Universe server is simple: Just put the XML package definition on some public HTTP server and version it with SVN. I wouldn't bother about the server written in Smalltalk, it is hard to setup and use. You want a consistent Universe anyway, not something where everybody can submit their packages anytime. > - the interface is well... not very nice :-) > - we would need to create a new universe from scratch The purple browser was nice. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository

by Michael Robers

I am interested in learning how we could use metacello. Not for 1.0. Before we commit to it for 1.1 I think we would need to conduct an experiment in parallel to get a feel for it. We should also review the other proposals. Then commit to one proposal for 1.1 1.2 etc and make the process work. Or we could stall 1.1 until we have a process in place but I think we will still have fixes coming in we will not want a lag. What do you think? Cheers Mike On 16 Sep 2009, at 10:24, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi > > I value the idea that when we look for a software (for example SIXX) > we can find a version that is working. In the past we used Universes > and > if was successful. > We cannot not have squeakmap and universe at the same time. > I discussed with damien briefly about that and he told me that we coud > have > a metacello alternative. > Now I wonder if for pharo 1.0 it makes sense. > May be having a nice Universe for pharo would be good and important. > > Dale what do you think? > Do you see metacello working in the story (may be for 1.1)? > Stef > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository

by Tudor Girba

Basically yes, but for that we just need a way to manage Pharo versions. So, as long as we can say what Pharo 1.0 is, we should be able to do that. Cheers, Doru On 16 Sep 2009, at 13:29, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Ok but for pharo1.0 it would be nice to have it :) > then after we plug metacello underneath > > Doru with metacello will we be able to say > I want to load in the past the version of moose which worked with > pharo1.0 > even if now I'm working on pharo 3.2 (the real future :)) > > Stef > On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tudor Girba <girba(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> wrote: >>> I believe Metacello is a very nice piece of work and it should be a >>> very strong contender for managing releases. The ui tools are not >>> quite there yet, but it works very nicely for allowing someone to >>> specify the exact configuration to be loaded. >> >> I agree. Universes is cool but: >> >> - it requires a dedicated server and only few people installed one >> already >> - it only allows one administrator per package description >> - the interface is well... not very nice :-) >> - we would need to create a new universe from scratch >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok but for pharo1.0 it would be nice to have it :) then after we plug metacello underneath Doru with metacello will we be able to say I want to load in the past the version of moose which worked with pharo1.0 even if now I'm working on pharo 3.2 (the real future :)) Stef On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tudor Girba <girba(a)iam.unibe.ch> > wrote: >> I believe Metacello is a very nice piece of work and it should be a >> very strong contender for managing releases. The ui tools are not >> quite there yet, but it works very nicely for allowing someone to >> specify the exact configuration to be loaded. > > I agree. Universes is cool but: > > - it requires a dedicated server and only few people installed one > already > - it only allows one administrator per package description > - the interface is well... not very nice :-) > - we would need to create a new universe from scratch > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Status of Alien FFI

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Probably that is the easiest solution. > Most of the time we did not rely on the dependencies because I'm not sure that the order can be specified. I think that in the future we will use metacello to resolve this ordering. > I'm just a bit lost in what is the preferred way of expressing package > dependencies and loading process. I see Monticello's package > dependencies but I also see specifically created load scripts and > things like Flair and Gofer. Flair was a parallel track to get a kind of metacello system. It will disappear. Gofer is a simple interface to replace Installer and metacello will use it to load and script loading of packages. > I'm rediscovering development in Pharo-Squeak (I have been mostly > working in Visualworks the last 5 years). So perhaps I'm asking a > silly question that does not make sense? ;-) No the problem is that we are also inventing new ways of managing our artefacts. Stef

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Tudor Girba <girba(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > I believe Metacello is a very nice piece of work and it should be a > very strong contender for managing releases. The ui tools are not > quite there yet, but it works very nicely for allowing someone to > specify the exact configuration to be loaded. I agree. Universes is cool but: - it requires a dedicated server and only few people installed one already - it only allows one administrator per package description - the interface is well... not very nice :-) - we would need to create a new universe from scratch -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

Sept. 16, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Status of Alien FFI

by Peter Hugosson-Miller

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Johan Brichau <johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be>wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2009, at 10:33, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > Is it possible to make 'Alien-Core' depend on 'Alien-Prereqs' (i.e. > > a nested dependency)? If it were then the correct loading order > > would be achieved > > Probably that is the easiest solution. > > I'm just a bit lost in what is the preferred way of expressing package > dependencies and loading process. I see Monticello's package > dependencies but I also see specifically created load scripts and > things like Flair and Gofer. > > I'm rediscovering development in Pharo-Squeak (I have been mostly > working in Visualworks the last 5 years). So perhaps I'm asking a > silly question that does not make sense? ;-) > > ---------------------------- > Johan Brichau > johan.brichau(a)uclouvain.be > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > Heh, it makes sense to me, since I come from VisualAge, where dependencies can be nested as deep as you like. I'm quite new to PharO though, so that's why I asked the question. Hopefully someone knows the answer. -- Cheers, Peter

Sept. 16, 2009