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Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Alexandre Bergel

> We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is > not open.... This is pity, since Sunday has better chance to gather people. It will be on Wednesday then. I will buy my flight today or tomorrow. Cheers, Alexandre > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > wrote: > for me this is ok too. > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile the > firday evening. > stef > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during weekend as > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > Best, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > Alexandre > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I get > > some > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < > alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > days > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- > project > > > > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Spring in November, Argentina

by Hernan Wilkinson

We planned to do it on Wednesday 18... On Sunday the University is not open.... On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 3:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > for me this is ok too. > this can also be the sunday before since I will arrive from chile the > firday evening. > stef > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Do we know the exact day of the sprint? I suggest during weekend as > > most of us has to work during the week. It would be nice on Sunday > > 22 but I don't know if the University is open. > > > > Best, > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel > > <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > > Done. you're on the list. > > > > Alexandre > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 17:21, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > My first name is Cesar. > > > > > > > > > Em 09/09/2009 13:29, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > I can add it. What is your firstname - name ? > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:00, csrabak(a)bol.com.br wrote: > > > > > > > Would it suffice I add a comment in the wiki or should I get > > some > > > > specific id in order to edit the wiki page itself? > > > > > > > > BTW, if anything else fails:: I'm attemting to apply :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Em 08/09/2009 15:10, Alexandre Bergel < alexandre(a)bergel.eu > > > > > > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I added a section in the Sprint wiki page: > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/PharoSprints?ts=1252433348&updated=… > > > > > > > > People should add their name. I will send a remainder a few > > days > > > > before the event. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > -- > > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about setting and preference.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Alain Plantec <beranger22(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > strange, I have the same problem when I try > to load it cdirectly with the FileBrowser. > but, with MC it is loaded without any problem. > > Excellent! I loaded it with MC now and worked perfect. I love this work. I just played a couple of minutes but seems an excellent work. We will finally have nice preference/settings browsers!!! wiiii > Alain > > Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > Alain: I just file in the changeset and I have a sintax error. I do it > > in latest Pharo. > > > > It doesn't let me copy paste, so I attach and screenshot. > > > > Best > > > > Mariano > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr > > <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: > > > > just forgot to indicate the entry point. > > In order to open the setting browser: > > SystemSettingBrowser open. > > > > Cheers > > Alain > > > > Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > > > Hi all, > > > I've changed the new setting implementation. > > > The new proposition is attached. > > > I think that this implementation is in sync with Lukas remarks; > > > and yes, I think it is much better now, thanks! > > > I also removed PragmaHandler and SettingHandler classes as Stephane > > > suggested. > > > It temporarily includes several (stupid) examples for testing > > purpose. > > > Comments have not yet been changed. > > > I will do it asap. > > > Remarks, comments etc are welcome. > > > Cheers > > > Alain > > > > > > Lukas Renggli a Ã©crit : > > >>> - A setting with value is an instance of SettingValue or of > > one of its > > >>> subclasses. Such a setting holds a useful global system > > parameter and > > >>> is made persistent: it is stored in a class variable which is > > >>> initialized by the method that declares the setting. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I think the problem with this proposal is that it mixes the > > model (the > > >> value of the setting) and the meta-model (the model of the > > setting). > > >> This is problematic because then all code depends on the settings > > >> package and when reading/writing settings application code must be > > >> aware of the indirection introduced through the setting. > > >> > > >> Why isn't a setting simply a variable local to the package, and > the > > >> setting-description a separate object (method) that can also be > > >> packaged separately? > > >> Lukas > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009

[Pharo-project] Package loader on Pharo

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El lun, 21-09-2009 a las 16:35 +0200, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > yes > > we should not use scriptLoader for that because scriptLoader should > not be part of the default image. This is confusing for me. Maybe the Pharo board should take a decision now in order to the community to push it. There are: ChangeSets ScriptLoader Monticello alone Monticello configurations Metacello Installer Gofer maybe others too. They share a lot of overlapped functionality. Some scripts use one of them, some other. This confuse the developers and the community. Maybe now is the moment to discuss the tools in order to polish them and use them, at leas until a new tool arrives that is better than the used by Pharo. You said that ScriptLoader will not be part of the core image but as I can see, only ScriptLoader and Installer can be installed directly from the web in an image that it doesn't have it. Can the community discuss this? Or the Pharo board write its opinion? > > stef > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Laval Jannik wrote: > > > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 13:14 , Damien Cassou wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Laval Jannik > >> <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I have just done a "ScriptLoader loadOB", and the same bug appears. > >> > >> Why do you use this old and not working script when I'm generating > >> new > >> images three times a month? > > > > because it is present in the image :) > > > > If it is an old version, maybe we must clean ScriptLoader. > > > > > >> > >> http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > >> > >> -- > >> Damien Cassou > >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > >> > >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > >> popular by not having them." James Iry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > --- > > Jannik Laval > > PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA > > Certified Project Management Associate (IPMA) > > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr > > --- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about setting and preference.

by Alain Plantec

Hi Mariano, strange, I have the same problem when I try to load it cdirectly with the FileBrowser. but, with MC it is loaded without any problem. Alain Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > Alain: I just file in the changeset and I have a sintax error. I do it > in latest Pharo. > > It doesn't let me copy paste, so I attach and screenshot. > > Best > > Mariano > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr > <mailto:alain.plantec@free.fr>> wrote: > > just forgot to indicate the entry point. > In order to open the setting browser: > SystemSettingBrowser open. > > Cheers > Alain > > Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > > Hi all, > > I've changed the new setting implementation. > > The new proposition is attached. > > I think that this implementation is in sync with Lukas remarks; > > and yes, I think it is much better now, thanks! > > I also removed PragmaHandler and SettingHandler classes as Stephane > > suggested. > > It temporarily includes several (stupid) examples for testing > purpose. > > Comments have not yet been changed. > > I will do it asap. > > Remarks, comments etc are welcome. > > Cheers > > Alain > > > > Lukas Renggli a Ã©crit : > >>> - A setting with value is an instance of SettingValue or of > one of its > >>> subclasses. Such a setting holds a useful global system > parameter and > >>> is made persistent: it is stored in a class variable which is > >>> initialized by the method that declares the setting. > >>> > >> > >> I think the problem with this proposal is that it mixes the > model (the > >> value of the setting) and the meta-model (the model of the > setting). > >> This is problematic because then all code depends on the settings > >> package and when reading/writing settings application code must be > >> aware of the indirection introduced through the setting. > >> > >> Why isn't a setting simply a variable local to the package, and the > >> setting-description a separate object (method) that can also be > >> packaged separately? > >> Lukas > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Bug in OBBrowser: "Metaclass class>>does not understand: #isScarySelector:"

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yes we should not use scriptLoader for that because scriptLoader should not be part of the default image. stef On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Laval Jannik wrote: > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 13:14 , Damien Cassou wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Laval Jannik >> <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I have just done a "ScriptLoader loadOB", and the same bug appears. >> >> Why do you use this old and not working script when I'm generating >> new >> images three times a month? > > because it is present in the image :) > > If it is an old version, maybe we must clean ScriptLoader. > > >> >> http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > --- > Jannik Laval > PhD Student - Rmod Team - INRIA > Certified Project Management Associate (IPMA) > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr > --- > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about setting and preference.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

how did you load it because it works for me when I open it using the mc browser drop it into the package-cache. Stef On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Alain: I just file in the changeset and I have a sintax error. I do > it in latest Pharo. > > It doesn't let me copy paste, so I attach and screenshot. > > Best > > Mariano > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Alain Plantec > <alain.plantec(a)free.fr> wrote: > just forgot to indicate the entry point. > In order to open the setting browser: > SystemSettingBrowser open. > > Cheers > Alain > > Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > > Hi all, > > I've changed the new setting implementation. > > The new proposition is attached. > > I think that this implementation is in sync with Lukas remarks; > > and yes, I think it is much better now, thanks! > > I also removed PragmaHandler and SettingHandler classes as Stephane > > suggested. > > It temporarily includes several (stupid) examples for testing > purpose. > > Comments have not yet been changed. > > I will do it asap. > > Remarks, comments etc are welcome. > > Cheers > > Alain > > > > Lukas Renggli a Ã©crit : > >>> - A setting with value is an instance of SettingValue or of one > of its > >>> subclasses. Such a setting holds a useful global system > parameter and > >>> is made persistent: it is stored in a class variable which is > >>> initialized by the method that declares the setting. > >>> > >> > >> I think the problem with this proposal is that it mixes the model > (the > >> value of the setting) and the meta-model (the model of the > setting). > >> This is problematic because then all code depends on the settings > >> package and when reading/writing settings application code must be > >> aware of the indirection introduced through the setting. > >> > >> Why isn't a setting simply a variable local to the package, and the > >> setting-description a separate object (method) that can also be > >> packaged separately? > >> Lukas > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > <bugPreferences.JPG>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer vs Installer

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El lun, 21-09-2009 a las 13:46 +0200, Lukas Renggli escribiÃ³: > I've posted a blog entry (based on the class-comment of the Gofer > class) to get people started. > > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/gofer > > Lukas >From the post: Now the following expressions can be used at any time: gofer load Load all packages. gofer update Update all packages. gofer merge Merge all packages into their working copies. gofer diff Display the difference between the working copy and the base version of all packages. gofer commit Commit all modified packages. gofer revert Revert all packages to their base version. gofer recompile Recompile all packages. gofer unload Unload all packages. This is something that I can't understand. Is this supposed to be a package management system per se, a la Metacello, aptitude, yum?? Isn't just a installer of MC packages but tries to manage the MC database of packages in a way that is clean and *atomic*? So, there will be a registry of gofer installed operations so that can be utilized after the install operation (maybe months later)? Or will just be for trying to install some group of packages and if some error happens immediatly revert? Can you relate the scenarios showing how gofer is intended to use, because until now (maybe my narrow perspective) the examples shown can be done also with ScriptLoader and Installer. Other thing, I tried to convert my image install script but I can't finish because I install packages from monticello configurations (magma 1.0r42) and from my local directory repository. Neither of those options can be handled by gofer (as far as I can see). Of course this can be corrected, it is just to integrate the correct MC installer classes. That reminds me other thing, Installer can handle monticello configurations, is the corresponding way of loading the packages using gofer to list each package in the mcm file in a gofer script? So mcm will not used or it is just that there have no been time to add those capability to gofer? Thanks -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Call for translation of the book "Pharo By Example" for Portuguese

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks a lot we are really happy about this effort. Stef On Sep 21, 2009, at 2:36 PM, Fabio Oliveira wrote: > Hi list! > > I would like to invite Portuguese speakers to join the group > responsible for translating the on-line book "Pharo By Example" to > Portuguese. > > It's a great oportunity to give a contribution to the community, and > help spread this great language. > > If you want, contact me: fabio.braga at gmail. > > See you! > > -- > FÃ¡bio Braga de Oliveira > Facebook: http://pt-br.facebook.com/fboliveira?p > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/fabiobragaoliveira > Blog: http://www.architecteam.com.br/people/fabio/blog > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Sept. 21, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: about setting and preference.

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Alain: I just file in the changeset and I have a sintax error. I do it in latest Pharo. It doesn't let me copy paste, so I attach and screenshot. Best Mariano On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)free.fr>wrote: > just forgot to indicate the entry point. > In order to open the setting browser: > SystemSettingBrowser open. > > Cheers > Alain > > Alain Plantec a Ã©crit : > > Hi all, > > I've changed the new setting implementation. > > The new proposition is attached. > > I think that this implementation is in sync with Lukas remarks; > > and yes, I think it is much better now, thanks! > > I also removed PragmaHandler and SettingHandler classes as Stephane > > suggested. > > It temporarily includes several (stupid) examples for testing purpose. > > Comments have not yet been changed. > > I will do it asap. > > Remarks, comments etc are welcome. > > Cheers > > Alain > > > > Lukas Renggli a Ã©crit : > >>> - A setting with value is an instance of SettingValue or of one of its > >>> subclasses. Such a setting holds a useful global system parameter and > >>> is made persistent: it is stored in a class variable which is > >>> initialized by the method that declares the setting. > >>> > >> > >> I think the problem with this proposal is that it mixes the model (the > >> value of the setting) and the meta-model (the model of the setting). > >> This is problematic because then all code depends on the settings > >> package and when reading/writing settings application code must be > >> aware of the indirection introduced through the setting. > >> > >> Why isn't a setting simply a variable local to the package, and the > >> setting-description a separate object (method) that can also be > >> packaged separately? > >> Lukas > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Sept. 21, 2009