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Re: [Pharo-project] anyone think buttons still too large?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

+1 -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of empty Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:27 PM To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] anyone think buttons still too large? Hi, I tried to install version 1 rc to find the buttons still too large. If you look at the whole class browser the first things you see are those big blue buttons. I'd prefer they not so big and colorful. Anyone have the same feel? Regards, emp ----- åç¡ä½ åç¡æ³ åç¡å§ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/anyone-think-buttons-still-too-large-tp3947548p3947548… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2009

[Pharo-project] Sockets, events, semaphores, etc.

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, Am I falling into a bad area of the image, or does Pharo poll for socket connections? As an example, look at ConnectionQueue>>getConnectionOrNil. Even the Socket waiting methods are all time-bombed. I would expect these methods to wait on a semaphore signalled by the vm on a socket event. It is one thing to offer time-bombed options, but I see nothing event driven at present :( Am I missing something? Bill

Nov. 4, 2009

[Pharo-project] anyone think buttons still too large?

by empty

Hi, I tried to install version 1 rc to find the buttons still too large. If you look at the whole class browser the first things you see are those big blue buttons. I'd prefer they not so big and colorful. Anyone have the same feel? Regards, emp ----- åç¡ä½ åç¡æ³ åç¡å§ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/anyone-think-buttons-still-too-large-tp3947548p3947548… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments

by Martin McClure

Lukas Renggli wrote: > Supporting underscore identifiers and assignments at the same time > seems to be tricky, as there are all kinds of new ambiguities: > a_1negated could be an assignment of 1 negated to a, or an access of > the variable a_1negated :-/ GemStone has supported both for the past couple of years. The rule we use is that _ must have whitespace on both sides to be considered assignment, otherwise it's part of a selector or variable name. This allowed us to continue using _ in selectors and variables, which we'd allowed from the very beginning, and made it easier to port Squeak code to GemStone. I'm not sure we've run across *any* code in actual use that uses underscore assignment without surrounding it with whitespace; certainly most code does put whitespace around assignments. Regards, -Martin

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] [update] 1.0 #10439

by Adrian Lienhard

yes, sorry for the confusion Adrian On Nov 3, 2009, at 22:42 , Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > I guess this should be 10493, right? > > /Peter > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: > >> - remove tests that depend on current font choice >> - Issue 1331: DNU upon file-in of changeset >> - Issue 1398: Seaside loading via ScriptManager broken >> >> ___________________ >> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Mariano, It's not "mine," but yes, it appears to be the same thing. Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:24 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Stef, Many thanks!! We already have what I have dubbed underscore_madness.cs; contrary to well-intentioned rumors, I did not write it; I simply held onto it for years. It is not a complete fix, allowing underscores only in selectors and not in the first position. It is useful just the same. Yes! I am using the same for Glorp. Bill your underscore_madness.cs is the same as this https://www.assembla.com/spaces/SqueakDBX/documents/dvVhPSvuCr3OqXeJe5aVNr/… ??? I very much want to see a complete fix, as external interfacing often motivates me to use underscores in class names. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:43 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments amen! send code and this is done. Stef On Nov 4, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > +1 > > On 2009-11-04 10:12:24 -0300, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com<mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> said: > >> +1 >> >> 2009/11/4 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>>: >>> +10 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: >>> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] >>> On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:25 AM >>> To: Pharo Development >>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments >>> >>> I wonder if we should throw a deprecated message in Pharo 1.0 when >>> somebody tries to compile a method with an underscore assignment? I >>> would like to make it possible to use underscore characters in >>> selectors and identifiers in Pharo 1.1. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Lukas >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I for one can live w/o underscore assignment :) -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:58 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments I committed SLICE-DoNotCompileUnderscoreAssignments-LukasRenggli.1.mcz. The only change is that the compiler refuses to compile underscore assignments. It seems to be problematic to throw a deprecated message, as this can happen in all kind of weird situations. So now you just get a syntax error, or in interactive mode (when loading with Monticello) a popup that gives you the possibility to fix the code. I suggest to integrate that into Pharo 1.0. Loading old code is a bit cumbersome, but I guess most people already fixed their code-base. Next we can add underscore characters to the compiler in Pharo 1.1. Supporting underscore identifiers and assignments at the same time seems to be tricky, as there are all kinds of new ambiguities: a_1negated could be an assignment of 1 negated to a, or an access of the variable a_1negated :-/ Lukas 2009/11/4 Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com>: >> Hi torsten , just curious what mailer you use? it seems that all your >> emails break the threading. This is very apparent when reading the >> list via gmail. I wasn't sure if you knew. Just thought I would >> mention it. > > It annoys me too :-) > > Lukas > > >> Mike >> >> On Wednesday, November 4, 2009, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! >>> Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Slice and others

by Nicolas Cellier

2009/11/4 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Hi guys > > I would like to generalise the slice ideas so that even if you publish > a single package change you use a slice because > I'm spending time to look for these simples changes in single packages. > What do you think? > > Stef > I think it would make things easier for harvesters while not degrading for submitters. However, you still have to review Kernel-truc.xxx one by one to decide if already fixed/won't fix/fix later, don't you ? Nicolas > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > Stef, > > Many thanks!! We already have what I have dubbed underscore_madness.cs; > contrary to well-intentioned rumors, I did not write it; I simply held onto > it for years. It is not a complete fix, allowing underscores only in > selectors and not in the first position. It is useful just the same. > > Yes! I am using the same for Glorp. Bill your underscore_madness.cs is the same as this https://www.assembla.com/spaces/SqueakDBX/documents/dvVhPSvuCr3OqXeJe5aVNr/… ??? > I very much want to see a complete fix, as external interfacing often > motivates me to use underscores in class names. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:43 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments > > amen! > send code and this is done. > > Stef > > On Nov 4, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > > +1 > > > > On 2009-11-04 10:12:24 -0300, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> said: > > > >> +1 > >> > >> 2009/11/4 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>: > >>> +10 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: > >>> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] > >>> On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:25 AM > >>> To: Pharo Development > >>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments > >>> > >>> I wonder if we should throw a deprecated message in Pharo 1.0 when > >>> somebody tries to compile a method with an underscore assignment? I > >>> would like to make it possible to use underscore characters in > >>> selectors and identifiers in Pharo 1.1. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Lukas > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Lukas Renggli > >>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-project mailing list > >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Pharo-project] Underscore assignments

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1410 On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > I committed SLICE-DoNotCompileUnderscoreAssignments-LukasRenggli. > 1.mcz. > > The only change is that the compiler refuses to compile underscore > assignments. It seems to be problematic to throw a deprecated message, > as this can happen in all kind of weird situations. So now you just > get a syntax error, or in interactive mode (when loading with > Monticello) a popup that gives you the possibility to fix the code. I > suggest to integrate that into Pharo 1.0. Loading old code is a bit > cumbersome, but I guess most people already fixed their code-base. > > Next we can add underscore characters to the compiler in Pharo 1.1. > Supporting underscore identifiers and assignments at the same time > seems to be tricky, as there are all kinds of new ambiguities: > a_1negated could be an assignment of 1 negated to a, or an access of > the variable a_1negated :-/ > > Lukas > > 2009/11/4 Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com>: >>> Hi torsten , just curious what mailer you use? it seems that all >>> your >>> emails break the threading. This is very apparent when reading the >>> list via gmail. I wasn't sure if you knew. Just thought I would >>> mention it. >> >> It annoys me too :-) >> >> Lukas >> >> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2009, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> >>> wrote: >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! >>>> Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Nov. 4, 2009