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Re: [Pharo-project] O2: tester wanted!

by David RÃ¶thlisberger

> in my PharoCore-1.0-10505 image I had #testSmartGroupSwitch that failed and #testExtensionNodes and #testStyling that errored. ah, then probably I fixed the other test methods by fixing the undeclared references. Thanks, David > On Jan 21, 2010, at 16:09 , David RÃ¶thlisberger wrote: > >> Hi Adrian, >> >>> However, there are 6 undeclared classes referenced in the code. >> ok, I fixed these undeclared references. >> >>> Also 2 tests have errors and one fails. >> Which tests fail? I only got one error in a test which I fixed now. >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2010, at 23:11 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Alexandre Bergel < >>>> alexandre.bergel(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> For people who do not know, O2 is the browser David has implemented in >>>>> the last few years. It replaces class-categories on the left-hand side >>>>> pane with a list of packages. We are still away from having packages >>>>> as real first class entities, but this is a good step toward. Note >>>>> that some people find O2 a bit slower than other available code >>>>> browsers. >>>>> >>>>> David and I spent some time on fixing O2. O2 has now no dependencies >>>>> to OB anymore. >>>>> We would like that people try it and submit bug reports on the google >>>>> bug tracker. In a fresh 10505, you can load O2 by evaluating: >>>>> >>>>> Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: >>>>> 'ConfigurationOfO2'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: >>>>> #loadDefault >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yes, but be aware that that piece of code load only the core, as you can see >>>> here: >>>> >>>> group: 'default' with: #('Core' ); >>>> group: 'Core' with: #( 'OmniBrowser2' 'O2-Standard' 'O2-Morphic' >>>> 'O2-Enhancements' ); >>>> group: 'Dev' with: #( 'Core' 'O2-Refactory' 'OCForO2' ); >>>> >>>> >>>> As I remember, most of the problems of O2 were sometimes related to the >>>> integration to RB. So, if you really want to tests it, please, test it using >>>> the RB: >>>> >>>> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) project version: '1.0') load: 'Dev' >>>> >>>> >>>> As I already said to Alexandre and David in private, I will put O2 again in >>>> the next image. So, it would be cool if it is tested "completely". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> O2 does not need OB whatsoever. O2 loads in a Core (I tried in a >>>>> 11165). Before and after loading O2, running OB tests give "548 run, >>>>> 547 passes, 1 failures" [*]. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yes, if someone can help with that failure would be cool, I have already >>>> reported it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> >>>>> [*] the test have been loaded using (ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser >>>>> project version: '1.1') load: 'Dev Tests' >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Grrrrrrr the problem of always...... not finding a version when merging

by Mariano Martinez Peck

The other day, we were with stef doing some merge, and we were speaking about a recurrent problem. I don't undetstand completely the problem, maybe I am wrong. When merging with MC, it searches the complete history of the package. But, actually, I don't care. I just want the last one to merge....Ok, the problem is that if a version is not found. For example, now, I am trying to merge my slice about cleanup and fixes of ImageSegments, and I have this error when merging: "Error: Could not find version 'CompilerTests-MarcusDenker.24'. Maybe you need to add a repository?" I added http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTreatedInbox but I got the same results. I attach PharoDebug. Any ideas how to fix this ? I cannot merge :( Should I open an issue ? Mariano

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Fun with ProfStef

by Mariano Martinez Peck

hahahahha your next step is to build a framework to build tutorials hahaha. Seriously, this is very good material. We need to take care about newcomers, and this is an excellent way as also your videos. Cool to have it in next dev image :) 2010/1/21 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > I've just released in MetacelloRepository the milestone I've wanted to > reach. Now you can create your own interactive tutorial with ProfStef. > How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial for that :D > > ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial > > It was real fun to write this ! > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Fun with ProfStef

by laurent laffont

I've just released in MetacelloRepository the milestone I've wanted to reach. Now you can create your own interactive tutorial with ProfStef. How ? There's a ProfStef interactive tutorial for that :D ProfStef goOn: HowToMakeYourOwnTutorial It was real fun to write this ! Cheers, Laurent

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie Confusion

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I forgot to said: after installing O2 in that image, when you open a System BRowser, it will ask which one do you want as default. OBSystemBrowserAdaptor is what I told as OB O2PackageBrowserAdaptor is what I told you as O2 Cheers Mariano On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michael: sorry, I just read the email. What we will really appreciate is > that you report EACH problem you have. Like this you are telling about O2. > > This is the only way we have to progress. If nobody reports...so, thanks > for reporting, and keep doing that. > > In Pharo, you can have several System Browsers: > > - The default you have in a PharoCore image. Very limited but fast. > - OB (omnibrowser) is better than de default, with several features, > refactoring tools, etc. It doesn't manage packages, thus. Now, it is the > default in dev images. > - O2 browser, that has package support and was the standard at the moment > the book was wrote. It seemed to be too slow, and for other reasons, it was > changed the default, to OB. > > We will releasing a new image very soon (maybe this weekend). But, for the > moment, if you don't care you can download the latest PharoDev image for > BetaTesting from here: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1… > > There you will have the OB as default, as I explained you, but...you will > be able to install O2 in that image. To install O2, evaluate in a Workspace, > the following code: > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > package:'ConfigurationOfO2'; > load. > > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault. > > > The next Pharo image, will have a welcome workspace specially for new > people, with tutorials and with the pieces of code ready to install commong > projects such as O2, Seaside 2.8 and 3.0, Magritte, Pier, Moose, etc... I > would really appreciate if you can give us your feedback for that. > > Cheers and welcome! > > Mariano > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Michael Litchard <michael(a)schmong.org>wrote: > >> This got solved in #squeak on freenode. Thanks guys. :) >> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Michael Litchard <michael(a)schmong.org> >> wrote: >> > Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing >> > would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like >> > smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's >> > one I'm finding difficult to ignore. >> > I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what >> > image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and >> > I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book >> > should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The >> > learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be >> > using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question. >> > >> > >> > Michael Litchard. >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie Confusion

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Michael: sorry, I just read the email. What we will really appreciate is that you report EACH problem you have. Like this you are telling about O2. This is the only way we have to progress. If nobody reports...so, thanks for reporting, and keep doing that. In Pharo, you can have several System Browsers: - The default you have in a PharoCore image. Very limited but fast. - OB (omnibrowser) is better than de default, with several features, refactoring tools, etc. It doesn't manage packages, thus. Now, it is the default in dev images. - O2 browser, that has package support and was the standard at the moment the book was wrote. It seemed to be too slow, and for other reasons, it was changed the default, to OB. We will releasing a new image very soon (maybe this weekend). But, for the moment, if you don't care you can download the latest PharoDev image for BetaTesting from here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25156/pharo1.0-10505-rc1dev10.01.1… There you will have the OB as default, as I explained you, but...you will be able to install O2 in that image. To install O2, evaluate in a Workspace, the following code: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package:'ConfigurationOfO2'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfO2) perform: #loadDefault. The next Pharo image, will have a welcome workspace specially for new people, with tutorials and with the pieces of code ready to install commong projects such as O2, Seaside 2.8 and 3.0, Magritte, Pier, Moose, etc... I would really appreciate if you can give us your feedback for that. Cheers and welcome! Mariano On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Michael Litchard <michael(a)schmong.org>wrote: > This got solved in #squeak on freenode. Thanks guys. :) > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Michael Litchard <michael(a)schmong.org> > wrote: > > Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing > > would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like > > smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's > > one I'm finding difficult to ignore. > > I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what > > image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and > > I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book > > should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The > > learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be > > using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question. > > > > > > Michael Litchard. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Newbie Confusion

by Michael Litchard

This got solved in #squeak on freenode. Thanks guys. :) On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Michael Litchard <michael(a)schmong.org> wrote: > Just to let you know, I think the problems I've been experiencing > would scare away many newbies. I'm sticking around because I like > smalltalk and I think the pharo project is worth investing in. Here's > one I'm finding difficult to ignore. > I'm using the Pharo By Example book to learn smalltalk. No matter what > image I try I get the same problem. The O2 browser is not default, and > I cannot change my default. Following the instructions in the book > should result in getting a menu of options. I get nothing. The > learning process is dead in the water now. What image should I be > using? I trust future newbies won't be having to ask this question. > > > Michael Litchard. >

Jan. 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] [ANN 1.1] prebuilt Core#11177

by Marcus Denker

http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/25338/PharoCore-1.1-11177-UNSTABLE.… -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Question about ImageSegment, Symbols and SmartRefStream

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Ahhhh I got it :) The trick was where Lukas said: readSymbol "PRIVATE -- Read the contents of a Symbol." ^ self readString asSymbol but....I realised that, String >> asSymbol is: asSymbol "Answer the unique Symbol whose characters are the characters of the string." ^Symbol intern: self And...Symbol >> intern: intern: aStringOrSymbol ^(self lookup: aStringOrSymbol) ifNil:[ | aClass aSymbol | aStringOrSymbol isSymbol ifTrue:[ aSymbol := aStringOrSymbol. ] ifFalse:[ aClass := aStringOrSymbol isOctetString ifTrue:[ByteSymbol] ifFalse:[WideSymbol]. aSymbol := aClass basicNew: aStringOrSymbol size. aSymbol string: aStringOrSymbol. ]. NewSymbols add: aSymbol. aSymbol]. that's why I don't get duplicates!!! Thanks a lot Lukas and Adrian...each day I am understanding a bit more all this stuff :) Cheers Mariano On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> Any ideas where this black magic comes from ? >> >> >> >> From what I know Symbols always end up in the out-pointers because >> >> they are always referenced at least from the Symbol table. >> > >> > Not necessarily. The symbol table is a *weak* set and hence if you don't >> strongly hold onto the symbols they get into the segment array and not into >> the out pointers! This is a potential source of subtle problems because >> after loading the segment you end up with duplicated symbols (we run into >> this with Cmsbox...). The easiest solution is to create a temporary variable >> and assign "Symbol allSymbols" while creating a segment. >> >> Ok, but that is done at several places in ImageSegement. >> >> > I "fixed" this. Actually, I don't fix it, but I put in at least only one > place that fix for everybody (I think). > > Thanks for the tipo of ReferenceStream>>#readSymbol. however...I debug > it and have empy symbols...wierd. Now I am very dead, but I hope tomorrow to > check it more in depth. > > >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

Jan. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Question about ImageSegment, Symbols and SmartRefStream

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Any ideas where this black magic comes from ? > >> > >> From what I know Symbols always end up in the out-pointers because > >> they are always referenced at least from the Symbol table. > > > > Not necessarily. The symbol table is a *weak* set and hence if you don't > strongly hold onto the symbols they get into the segment array and not into > the out pointers! This is a potential source of subtle problems because > after loading the segment you end up with duplicated symbols (we run into > this with Cmsbox...). The easiest solution is to create a temporary variable > and assign "Symbol allSymbols" while creating a segment. > > Ok, but that is done at several places in ImageSegement. > > I "fixed" this. Actually, I don't fix it, but I put in at least only one place that fix for everybody (I think). Thanks for the tipo of ReferenceStream>>#readSymbol. however...I debug it and have empy symbols...wierd. Now I am very dead, but I hope tomorrow to check it more in depth. > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Jan. 21, 2010