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Re: [Pharo-dev] feenk log

by Stephane Ducasse

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > In this email I will enumerate what features are missing that we are aware > of. The problem is that we discover what we need spontaneously during > experiments and not beforehand :) Yes for the extras problems but you always have an idea of the base. > > Missing / broken > - error handling library. If there is an exception during event handling or > rendering, Bloc's UI thread stops and we have to reset the universe. I was wondering if the use of on:fork: would not help there. > Sometimes errors cause "infinite" spawn of debuggers. > - transformations (scale, translate, rotate) animations don't work now, > because I still need to finish interpolation of matrix decomposition. > - there is a bug with drawing invalidation when element has rotation > transformation. > - gradient backgrounds can only have fixed size (origin/corner) and can not > scale according to element's size. > - event propagation mechanism should be implemented on top of Announcer and > not using our custom one (there was a discussion about this on dev mailing > list) Ok you mean what glenn did. Ok sounds good. For me I would like to have less concepts or similar libraries. > - Sparta/Cairo backend has not implemented fill path with image pattern API > method > - FFI Callbacks crash VM on windows (I have my own FFI-only tests that > fail) > - FFI external array can not handle booleans: > > array := FFIExternalArray externalNewType: 'bool' size: 1. array at: 1 put: > true. array at: 1 "false" > > More minor issues can be found on Bloc's github page > https://github.com/pharo-graphics/Bloc/issues > > That is all from my side :) Ok so this is reasonable. I would add for version 1.0 Nice class comments > Cheers, > Alex > > On 25 October 2017 at 18:48, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Denis, >> >> The reason for BlVector2D is that we also have BlVector3D. >> In case of translation a Point (x@y) should be converted to (x,y,0). For >> scale it is converted as (x,y,1). You see, the same Point object has >> different meanings when it comes to different transformations. >> >> Additionally, Point does not represent the intent correctly because all >> affine transformations involve vectors. Of course, we made Vectors >> polymorphic with points, so users can write: >> element translateBy: (20@20) instead of element translateBy: (BlVector x: >> 20 y: 20). >> >>> - How often this vector will be constructed by hands in user code? It is >>> related to my question about comma message: is it really needed? >> >> >> In lineare algebra vectors are represented as (x, y, z). Beautiful! >> >> Cheers, >> Alex > >

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] feenk log

by Stephane Ducasse

Ok :) Stef On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > The log is not a replacement of the roadmap. It is only to help people see what we do live. > > The roadmap and documentation are coming as well, but these are separate. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Doru having a few tweets is nice but I do not think that you >> communicate well around bloc. >> >> What I would like to get is a roadmap for Bloc V1.0. >> - Here are the missing features (documentation), >> - Here are where we are. >> Because else it feels like Bloc will never ends. >> You will argue and tell me that you experiments. But without a feature >> list then >> people cannot join and do not know when you get a 1.0. >> >> Not measuring is the best way to arrive to a point where you did not wanted. >> >> You see for Brick we need >> Button >> CheckBox >> DropList >> List >> Table >> Pane >> InputField >> Text >> Scrollbar >> Menu >> And with that we can get a first Widget set. >> But again without a roadmap I have some doubts. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephane Ducasse >> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Doru using comma for creating vectors is not really because it will >>> just make the life of type inferencers more difficult. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Our team is working on a couple of projects that are relevant for the core of Pharo, namely GT and Bloc/Brick. At ESUG we were asked by several people, and Stef in particular, to make the progress on these projects more transparent. To this end, we will start two streams of signals: >>>> - fine grained info bits on out Twitter account (several times a week): https://twitter.com/feenkcom >>>> - a less often but regular (probably every 2 weeks) activity log message sent to this mailing list >>>> >>>> Please let us know if you see an issue with this. >>>> >>>> In the meantime, letâs start. >>>> >>>> Bloc: >>>> - Over the past couple of weeks Alex worked on transformations and measurements in the core system. It turns out that there was room for quite a number of performance optimizations and for making the system more debuggable. >>>> - At the low level, this involved adding matrix and vector support. >>>> https://twitter.com/feenkcom/status/923123870537863168 >>>> https://twitter.com/feenkcom/status/916300180848349185 >>>> - At a higher level, it implies keeping track of measurements >>>> https://twitter.com/AliakseiSyrel/status/915203525931622400 >>>> - And of transformations: >>>> https://twitter.com/feenkcom/status/919603739656417281 >>>> https://twitter.com/feenkcom/status/917116164484096001 >>>> - The BlScalableElement is now working properly >>>> >>>> GT Examples: >>>> - The current repository with unary-based examples is at: https://github.com/feenkcom/gtoolkit-examples >>>> - We now have a runner in the inspector that allows us to both see the source code and run and play with the resulting object: >>>> https://twitter.com/feenkcom/status/923210686204989442 >>>> - Andrei made the âafterâ behavior to work with unary examples. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> The feenk team >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> "Being happy is a matter of choice." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "What we can governs what we wish." > > > > >

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] , for vector creation

by Stephane Ducasse

In Polymath I guess that the vectors are longer. But if I'm correct it is #( 12 23) asVector. Doru did you look at Jun because Jun introduced 3DPoint and I wonder if they did not introduce Vector? What would be the alternatives for vector? Any idea how this is done in other languages 1~>2 1!2 1-}2 Stef On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Vector is not Bloc-sepcific. We just need it in Bloc and because there wasnât any, we now have one in Bloc. But, it can be pulled out without any issues. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> For example, in FileReference is adds a file extension. PetitParser uses it as a sequence operator. >> >> But in both cases #, is sent to FileReference/Petit parser instance, so it is contained. >> You would use it on a (generic) Number and tie it to specific Bloc meaning. Maybe have a polymorphic Vector in regular Pharo (I would imagine that PolyMath could also make use of that)? >> >> Peter > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Obvious things are difficult to teach." > > > > >

Oct. 25, 2017

, for vector creation

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi, there might be reasons for an own 2D vector class (instead of using Point). But still I dislike the reimplementation of "," because for me so far it has the meaning of "concatenating things". Here you redefine it to create vector instances and it works only up to three so far. Right? I understand that this gives some similarities with the math notation (1,2) but I personally would prefer to use: 1@2 asVector or Vector2D x: 1 y: 2 Thx T. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Oktober 2017 um 20:06 Uhr > Von: "Tudor Girba" <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Betreff: [Pharo-dev] , for vector creation > > Hi, > > As mentioned in the separate thread, we played with introducing the extension: > > , aNumber > ^ BlVector2D x: self y: aNumber > > This means that (10,20) will return a 2D vector. > > We also have (10,20,30) which returns a 3D vector. > > , is used for different meanings already in the image beside the collection concatenation. For example, in FileReference is adds a file extension. And Exceptions create a collection. In other packages, PetitParser uses it as a sequence operator. > > Please voice your concerns. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Every thing should have the right to be different." > > > > > >

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] feenk log

by Denis Kudriashov

2017-10-25 22:00 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi, > > > On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > wrote: > > > > Denis Kudriashov wrote > >> Good initiative. > > > > +1 :) > > > > > > Denis Kudriashov wrote > >> Here is my twitter questions:â¦ > > > > Mine are: > > 1. Is it possible/easy/smooth to zoom in/out? > > We now have BlScalableElement which handles the zooming. The next thing is > to attach animations to it. > I expected that any element can be scalable because transformation is part of it. Am I wrong?. Then what the purpose of this subclass? Is it for convenience or there is some important logic inside? > > > 2. Is there an equivalent to Morphic-stepping? > > Yes, but this is achieved by attaching an animation to the element. > > However, right now, due to changes in transformations, animations are not > working. They should be back soon. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > > > ----- > > Cheers, > > Sean > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837. > html > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with." > > >

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] feenk log

by Tudor Girba

Hi, > On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Denis Kudriashov wrote >> Good initiative. > > +1 :) > > > Denis Kudriashov wrote >> Here is my twitter questions:â¦ > > Mine are: > 1. Is it possible/easy/smooth to zoom in/out? We now have BlScalableElement which handles the zooming. The next thing is to attach animations to it. > 2. Is there an equivalent to Morphic-stepping? Yes, but this is achieved by attaching an animation to the element. However, right now, due to changes in transformations, animations are not working. They should be back soon. Cheers, Doru > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Reasonable is what we are accustomed with."

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] UnifiedFFI Docs

by Todd Blanchard

OK, new question. How do I file this in? I was able to load tonel from iceberg. I added the repo and it gave me a choice of packages to load and I loaded them using the iceberg browser. I added this to the iceberg browser and there are no packages listed and I have absolutely no clue how to get this code into my image. I'm about 80 hours into trying to get my head around FFI and really getting discouraged at how many walls I'm hitting trying to get a foreign library interface done. > On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > :) > > Did you look at this project: https://github.com/estebanlm/libclang-pharo-bindings/ <https://github.com/estebanlm/libclang-pharo-bindings/> ? > > it was using parseTranslationUnit (no 2)â¦ there you can find how is being used (I just converted it to tonel format, but older versions are in filetree) > > Esteban > >> On 24 Oct 2017, at 19:17, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com <mailto:tblanchard@mac.com>> wrote: >> >> Hey Esteban, >> >> Now that you have outed yourself as a maintainer of FFI, I have a question. :-) >> >> I want to call the libclang function: >> >> /** >> * \brief Parse the given source file and the translation unit corresponding >> * to that file. >> * >> * This routine is the main entry point for the Clang C API, providing the >> * ability to parse a source file into a translation unit that can then be >> * queried by other functions in the API. This routine accepts a set of >> * command-line arguments so that the compilation can be configured in the same >> * way that the compiler is configured on the command line. >> * >> * \param CIdx The index object with which the translation unit will be >> * associated. >> * >> * \param source_filename The name of the source file to load, or NULL if the >> * source file is included in \c command_line_args. >> * >> * \param command_line_args The command-line arguments that would be >> * passed to the \c clang executable if it were being invoked out-of-process. >> * These command-line options will be parsed and will affect how the translation >> * unit is parsed. Note that the following options are ignored: '-c', >> * '-emit-ast', '-fsyntax-only' (which is the default), and '-o \<output file>'. >> * >> * \param num_command_line_args The number of command-line arguments in >> * \c command_line_args. >> * >> * \param unsaved_files the files that have not yet been saved to disk >> * but may be required for parsing, including the contents of >> * those files. The contents and name of these files (as specified by >> * CXUnsavedFile) are copied when necessary, so the client only needs to >> * guarantee their validity until the call to this function returns. >> * >> * \param num_unsaved_files the number of unsaved file entries in \p >> * unsaved_files. >> * >> * \param options A bitmask of options that affects how the translation unit >> * is managed but not its compilation. This should be a bitwise OR of the >> * CXTranslationUnit_XXX flags. >> * >> * \param[out] out_TU A non-NULL pointer to store the created >> * \c CXTranslationUnit, describing the parsed code and containing any >> * diagnostics produced by the compiler. >> * >> * \returns Zero on success, otherwise returns an error code. >> */ >> enum CXErrorCode >> clang_parseTranslationUnit2(CXIndex CIdx, >> const char *source_filename, >> const char *const *command_line_args, >> int num_command_line_args, >> struct CXUnsavedFile *unsaved_files, >> unsigned num_unsaved_files, >> unsigned options, >> CXTranslationUnit *out_TU); >> >> The parts I'm not clear on are turning an array or ordered collection of strings into an argv/argc, turning an array of CXUnsavedFile's (FFIExternalStruct) into an array of pointers and count, and getting data back in an output argument as CXTranslationUnit which is an opaque pointer to a C++ object. >> >> Any tips on these mappings would be great. I've currently guessed it as: >> >> clang_parseTranslationUnit__cxIndex: cxIndex source: sourceFile arguments: argv unsavedFiles:unsaved options: opts >> >> | argc unsaved_files num_unsaved_files options error out_TU | >> argc := argv size. >> unsaved_files := unsaved ifNil: [ #() ] ifNotNil: [ unsaved ]. >> num_unsaved_files := unsaved_files ifNil: [ 0 ] ifNotNil: [unsaved_files size]. >> options := opts sum. >> >> error := self ffiCall: #(CXErrorCode clang_parseTranslationUnit2(CXIndex cxIndex, >> String sourceFile, >> String *argv, >> uint argc, >> CXUnsavedFile *unsaved_files, >> uint num_unsaved_files, >> CXTranslationUnitFlag options, >> CXTranslationUnit *out_TU)). >> >> (error = CXError_Success) ifTrue: [ ^out_TU ]. >> self error: error >> >> Thanks. >> >> >>> On Oct 22, 2017, at 2:42 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> On 21 Oct 2017, at 21:15, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com <mailto:stepharo.self@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Esteban will probably reply to this thread >>> >>> yes, I will :) >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com <mailto:tblanchard@mac.com>> wrote: >>>>> I have found the problem with VoidPointer3 generating accessors. >>> >>> can you report that on fogbugz ? >>> (along with your solution) >>> >>> thanks! >>> Esteban >>> >>>>> >>>>> No idea how to contribute back a fix but this is what I've found. >>>>> >>>>> FFITypeArrayType>>annonymousClassCreator >>>>> ^ String streamContents: [ :stream | >>>>> stream >>>>> nextPutAll: '(FFITypeArray ofType: '; >>>>> print: (self objectClass type isPointer ifTrue: [self externalTypeWithArity >>>>> printString] ifFalse: ['#',self objectClass type class]); >>>>> nextPutAll: ' size: '; >>>>> print: self objectClass numberOfElements; >>>>> nextPutAll: ')' ] >>>>> >>>>> Recalling that we are trying to come up with an accessor that can pull out a >>>>> void*[3], this produces >>>>> >>>>> '(FFITypeArray ofType: #FFIVoid size: 3)' >>>>> >>>>> which produces an error as FFIVoid's size is undefined. In general, this >>>>> will be wrong for any pointer type and will probably get the size >>>>> calculation wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Doing a little digging I find that >>>>> >>>>> FFITypeArray>>ofType: aType size: aSize >>>>> >>>>> delegates resolution of aType to FFIExternalType>>resolveType:aType and this >>>>> can take all kinds of different things including the native type name. >>>>> >>>>> It would be better if this generated the native name for pointers. >>>>> >>>>> (FFITypeArray ofType: 'void*' size: 3) >>>>> >>>>> So I changed it to: >>>>> >>>>> FFITypeArrayType>>annonymousClassCreator >>>>> ^ String streamContents: [ :stream | >>>>> stream >>>>> nextPutAll: '(FFITypeArray ofType: '; >>>>> print: (self objectClass type isPointer >>>>> ifTrue: [self externalTypeWithArity printString] >>>>> ifFalse: ['#',self objectClass type class]); >>>>> nextPutAll: ' size: '; >>>>> print: self objectClass numberOfElements; >>>>> nextPutAll: ')' ] >>>>> >>>>> and this seems to work fine. >>>>> >>>>> Onwards... >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 7:18 AM, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com <mailto:tblanchard@mac.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thatâs great - itâs been kind of magical but a couple things have changed >>>>> since you wrote it and some bugs have crept into ffi. >>>>> >>>>> Right now Iâm finding the generated accessor for the VoidPointer3 is >>>>> actually generating a void 3 accessor and that doesnât work. I spent all day >>>>> yesterday tracking it to the accessor generating code. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from the road >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 22:29, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com <mailto:tblanchard@mac.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working through Ben's great blog post about playing with libclang and >>>>>> I am puzzled by something. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thx Todd. Knowing someone is looking at it encourages me to expand it. >>>>> I'm interested in looking at your specific questions, but it might not be >>>>> until next week after this stint of long work days. >>>>> >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> invalidateSessionData >>>>>> handle atAllPut: 0. >>>>>> >>>>>> zero;s out the handle. Cool. However, >>>>>> >>>>>> handle isNull >>>>>> >>>>>> does not return true despite it being used in the getString method as >>>>>> >>>>>> ^ handle isNull >>>>>> ifTrue: ['external memory invalidated by session restart'] >>>>>> ifFalse:[LibClang clang_getCString__cxString: self]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks like there should be an isNull on ByteArray that returns true if all >>>>>> bytes are zero but it isn't there. Was it dropped for some reason? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 2:58 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure the documentation could be better, that is definetly important, but >>>>>> is already good enough and UFFI is a very technical subject much more suited >>>>>> to a mailing list . Its not physical possible to cover the massive potential >>>>>> of UFFI. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com <mailto:stepharo.self@gmail.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please do not hesitate to do Pull Requests. >>>>>>> Luc told me that he wants to do a pass on it and Esteban promises that to >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> but he is super busy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 5:54 AM, Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com <mailto:tblanchard@mac.com>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Wonderful! Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 3:45 PM, stephan <stephan(a)stack.nl <mailto:stephan@stack.nl>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 17-10-17 23:06, Todd Blanchard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Anyone know what happened to this? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/PharoBookWorkInProgre… <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/PharoBookWorkInProgre…> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/Booklet-uFFI <https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/Booklet-uFFI> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> has a link to a bintray pdf download >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stephan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] , for vector creation

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Vector is not Bloc-sepcific. We just need it in Bloc and because there wasnât any, we now have one in Bloc. But, it can be pulled out without any issues. Cheers, Doru > On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > For example, in FileReference is adds a file extension. PetitParser uses it as a sequence operator. > > But in both cases #, is sent to FileReference/Petit parser instance, so it is contained. > You would use it on a (generic) Number and tie it to specific Bloc meaning. Maybe have a polymorphic Vector in regular Pharo (I would imagine that PolyMath could also make use of that)? > > Peter -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Obvious things are difficult to teach."

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] , for vector creation

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> > For example, in FileReference is adds a file extension. PetitParser uses > it as a sequence operator. > But in both cases #, is sent to FileReference/Petit parser instance, so it is contained. You would use it on a (generic) Number and tie it to specific Bloc meaning. Maybe have a polymorphic Vector in regular Pharo (I would imagine that PolyMath could also make use of that)? Peter

Oct. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] feenk log

by Sean P. DeNigris

Denis Kudriashov wrote > Good initiative. +1 :) Denis Kudriashov wrote > Here is my twitter questions:â¦ Mine are: 1. Is it possible/easy/smooth to zoom in/out? 2. Is there an equivalent to Morphic-stepping? ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

Oct. 25, 2017