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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo party near Annecy, France

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

7 h to go trip. Stef On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:30 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > > > 2010/2/26 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > I would like to go too. Do you know how long is it more or less from Lille ? > > Great ! > Stephane can tell you how long it is, he came last Sunday from Lille. > > If you need a place to sleep you can come at home. > > Laurent Laffont > > > > 2010/2/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > Great ! > > Laurent Laffont > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire(a)ofset.org> wrote: > I am interested > > Hilaire > > laurent laffont a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > > > We (a developper group) organize a Pharo & Smalltalk meeting near Annecy, > > France. Saturday, March 20th. 2:00 pm - 6:00pm. > > Location. FÃ©lix CrÃ©ation. 4 bis, avenue du Pont de Tasset | 74960 > > Cran-Gevrier / ANNECY | France > > > > Welcome to all curious developpers who wants to learn. Welcome to all > > experienced developpers who wants to share their knowledge. > > > > We will have wireless access, big screen ... and coffee :) > > > > Send me a mail if you want to participate. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Developing morphic apps with pharo - sorting wheat from chaff

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Hi, > > I'm writing a desktop business application for a customer. Having > written a number of web applications using Pharo and Seaside, I would > like to use Pharo and Morphic in this case. > > I have read the section on Morphic in `Pharo by Example', however, > writing a business application (i.e. CRUD), I need to focus on > (tedious) data browsing and entry, keyboard navigation, and so on as > opposed to (cool) interactive morphs. Did you check glamour? because if you have to manage data this is nice. You can build fast prototype of your application UI. > My problem is trying to discern the the current and most stable > approach to using Morphic for such an application. Clearly, I have a > wealth of code at my fingertips and the Squeak wiki has numerous > posts, but many of the latter seem outdated and speak only vaguely of > the MVC vs. Morphic situation. Do I use ToolBuilder? you can. > Are pluggable > morphs a vestige of MVC? This is what I thought but I'm not sure. Normally we removed a lot of MVC > Do I use PolyMorph widgets? Yes You can use the Polymorph tool builder. > Do I use > dependencies, events, or announcements? > > I am very interested in seeing Pharo succeed as a business application > development tool (among other uses), and I would be quite happy to > contribute to code and documentation to help that along. We would love that. Thanks a lot. > However, > first, I need to learn how to sort the wheat of Morphic from the chaff > of MVC and whatever else is lying around in a Pharo image. We too. > Any pointers to (more) definitive documentation and classes would be > much appreciated. UITheme example for example. > > > Regards, > > Mike > > -- > Michael J. Forster <mike(a)sharedlogic.ca> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo party near Annecy, France

by laurent laffont

2010/2/26 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > I would like to go too. Do you know how long is it more or less from Lille > ? > Great ! Stephane can tell you how long it is, he came last Sunday from Lille. If you need a place to sleep you can come at home. Laurent Laffont > > 2010/2/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > > Great ! >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire(a)ofset.org>wrote: >> >>> I am interested >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >>> laurent laffont a Ã©crit : >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > We (a developper group) organize a Pharo & Smalltalk meeting near >>> Annecy, >>> > France. Saturday, March 20th. 2:00 pm - 6:00pm. >>> > Location. FÃ©lix CrÃ©ation. 4 bis, avenue du Pont de Tasset | 74960 >>> > Cran-Gevrier / ANNECY | France >>> > >>> > Welcome to all curious developpers who wants to learn. Welcome to all >>> > experienced developpers who wants to share their knowledge. >>> > >>> > We will have wireless access, big screen ... and coffee :) >>> > >>> > Send me a mail if you want to participate. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Laurent Laffont >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Pharo-project mailing list >>> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Streams. Status and where to go?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would love to see all this part gets cleaned. I can allocate time to help integrating the result but I cannot be the lead. Stef On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > Hello, > > i am cross-posting, since i think it is good for all of us to agree on > some common points. > > 1. Streams needs to be rewritten. > 2. What do you think is good replacement for current Streams? > > personally, i currently need a fast and concise UTF8 reader. > The UTF8TextConverter is closest thing what i would take, but i don't > understand, why > it implemented as a non-stream? > > The #nextFromStream: > and #nextPut:toStream: > crying out of loud to be just > #next > and > #nextPut: > > Another thing which makes me sad is this line: > > nextFromStream: aStream > > | character1 value1 character2 value2 unicode character3 value3 > character4 value4 | > aStream isBinary ifTrue: [^ aStream basicNext]. <<<<<<< > > > All external streams is initially binary , but UTF8TextConverter wants > to play with characters, instead of octets.. > But hey... UTF8 encoding is exactly about encoding unicode characters > into binary form.. > I'm not even mentioning that operating with bytes (smallints) is times > more efficient than operating with characters (objects), because first > thing it does: > > character1 := aStream basicNext. " a #basicNext, obviously, reads a > byte from somewhere and then converts it to instance of Character. > 'Bonus' overhead here. " > character1 isNil ifTrue: [^ nil]. > value1 := character1 asciiValue. " and... what a surprise, we > converting a character back to integer value.. What a waste! " > value1 <= 127 ifTrue: [ > > I really hope, that eventually we could have a good implementation, > where horse runs ahead of cart, not cart ahead of horse :) > Meanwhile i think i have no choice but make yet-another implementation > of utf8 reader in my own package, instead of using existing one. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo party near Annecy, France

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I would like to go too. Do you know how long is it more or less from Lille ? 2010/2/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > Great ! > > Laurent Laffont > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire(a)ofset.org>wrote: > >> I am interested >> >> Hilaire >> >> laurent laffont a Ã©crit : >> > Hi, >> > >> > We (a developper group) organize a Pharo & Smalltalk meeting near >> Annecy, >> > France. Saturday, March 20th. 2:00 pm - 6:00pm. >> > Location. FÃ©lix CrÃ©ation. 4 bis, avenue du Pont de Tasset | 74960 >> > Cran-Gevrier / ANNECY | France >> > >> > Welcome to all curious developpers who wants to learn. Welcome to all >> > experienced developpers who wants to share their knowledge. >> > >> > We will have wireless access, big screen ... and coffee :) >> > >> > Send me a mail if you want to participate. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Laurent Laffont >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Infinite Loop and Ctrl+.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I do not know. Stef On Feb 25, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Is this just me that suddenly cannot break out of an infinite loop > with Ctrl+. in Pharo 1.0 anymore? > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] We should run + fix the tests in 1.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > ... testserver, where are you? > > I have: > > http://hudson.jooshr.org/job/Pharo1.1/ > > which builds once a day. There are other builds on the site. I only use > the Pharo1.0-Seaside3.0 configuration. The others were set up when I was > trying to decide what to base my development on. > > The builds often break (Pharo 1.1 and Seaside 3.0), which is to be > expected. Usually the problem is some dialog pops up waiting for a user > response. I thought we killed all those tests that brings a popup and wait for a user response. Yanni can you tell us which are those tests ? Thanks Mariano > It often takes me a few days before I get around to fixing > these build problems. Anyhow, it's there for the moment, if people want > to use the results. > > -- > Yanni > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Developing morphic apps with pharo - sorting wheat from chaff

by laurent laffont

Hi Michael, I'm not experienced in professionnal GUI applications with Pharo, but these screencasts may help you: http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/search/label/gui CLFramework (UIBuilder for Pharo) looks promising. See http://www.squeaksource.com/CLFramework.html and http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=uibuilder+pharo&search_type=&aq… Laurent Laffont On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Michael Forster <mike(a)sharedlogic.ca>wrote: > Hi, > > I'm writing a desktop business application for a customer. Having > written a number of web applications using Pharo and Seaside, I would > like to use Pharo and Morphic in this case. > > I have read the section on Morphic in `Pharo by Example', however, > writing a business application (i.e. CRUD), I need to focus on > (tedious) data browsing and entry, keyboard navigation, and so on as > opposed to (cool) interactive morphs. > > My problem is trying to discern the the current and most stable > approach to using Morphic for such an application. Clearly, I have a > wealth of code at my fingertips and the Squeak wiki has numerous > posts, but many of the latter seem outdated and speak only vaguely of > the MVC vs. Morphic situation. Do I use ToolBuilder? Are pluggable > morphs a vestige of MVC? Do I use PolyMorph widgets? Do I use > dependencies, events, or announcements? > > I am very interested in seeing Pharo succeed as a business application > development tool (among other uses), and I would be quite happy to > contribute to code and documentation to help that along. However, > first, I need to learn how to sort the wheat of Morphic from the chaff > of MVC and whatever else is lying around in a Pharo image. > > Any pointers to (more) definitive documentation and classes would be > much appreciated. > > > Regards, > > Mike > > -- > Michael J. Forster <mike(a)sharedlogic.ca> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo party near Annecy, France

by laurent laffont

Great ! Laurent Laffont On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire(a)ofset.org>wrote: > I am interested > > Hilaire > > laurent laffont a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > > > We (a developper group) organize a Pharo & Smalltalk meeting near Annecy, > > France. Saturday, March 20th. 2:00 pm - 6:00pm. > > Location. FÃ©lix CrÃ©ation. 4 bis, avenue du Pont de Tasset | 74960 > > Cran-Gevrier / ANNECY | France > > > > Welcome to all curious developpers who wants to learn. Welcome to all > > experienced developpers who wants to share their knowledge. > > > > We will have wireless access, big screen ... and coffee :) > > > > Send me a mail if you want to participate. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Laurent Laffont > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Feb. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] in 11233 merging is broken?

by Sean Allen

2010/2/25 GARY CHAMBERS <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com>: > Something must be wrong with the script load somehow... > Note that there are changes between working copy after load > andÂ Polymorph-Tools-Diff-StephaneDucasse.23.mcz. > To fix for yourself at the moment, > reloadÂ Polymorph-Tools-Diff-StephaneDucasse.23.mcz. This doesn't work for me as a fix.

Feb. 26, 2010