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Re: [Pharo-project] Please: less license blahblah, more actual progress on the issue

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Paolo, Perhaps I'm getting this out of context, but you have done something *very* difficult to do: you've offended me (on Stef's behalf). Asking Stef to "do something constructive" is like asking asking a shark to swim. As for GPL in any variant, I have never trusted it, and see no justifiable advantage over something like MIT or BSD. Your (apparent) reaction to Stef is only deepening my preference for simplicity of licensing. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Paolo Bonzini Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:05 AM To: GNU Smalltalk; Pharo Development; ESUG Mailing list Cc: stephane ducasse Subject: [Pharo-project] Please: less license blahblah, more actual progress on the issue On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 18:53, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks thanks thanks thanks for a refresh on that! > Thanks! Stef, instead of thanking five times, why don't you try to do something constructive? The GPLv3 includes a system of granting Additional Permissions. This system has already been used by GCC and Autoconf. Let's develop a set of additional permissions that we believe do not "taint" the whole image. I placed a starting point at http://smalltalk.gnu.org/blog/bonzinip/towards-permissive-copyleft-license-… [To those that followed the entire thread: this is totally independent of how any GSoC code related to GNU Smalltalk will be licensed]. Paolo _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] More news about GSoC!!!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > >> Is there a way to vote for ideas? > >> > > > > be a mentor ;) > > > > Seriously. This is a complicated subject that I am not sure what to do. > In > > previous Squeak GSoC (2007 and 2008) only the mentors vote for the > > project. > > Suppose there were 20 projects, and Google gave Squeak 5 slots...then > each > > mentor vote their most interesting 5 projects...The 5 projects with more > > votes, won. > > > > Letting only the mentors to vote have advantages and disadvantages. > > Advantages is that there is a lot of people in the community that only > > talk, > > only ask, only "I would like". But few do. We don't want to feed those > who > > only talk. > > On the other hand, there is a lot of people who works a lot, but they are > > not mentors...so, it is a pity for them. But you cannot make that > > difference. > > > > So, as you can see, it is not easy. > > > > If we get selected then we should review this. > > > > Mariano > > > > Fair enough, even though I would like to be more actively involved, I > simply > don't have the time at the moment ... voting could give all mentors an > indication of the popularity of their ideas though couldn't it? > Maybe that's a good idea. Let all the people vote, but just to show mentors and co-mentors what the community wants. Then...is up to them to vote whatever they want... Thanks for the idea!!! I hope we have to discuss this topic (because it would mean we were selected...) > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/More-news-about-GSoC-tp1585307p1585737.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About ExternalDropHandler initialize

by Gary Chambers

I guess the registerHandler: bits should move to registerStandardExternalDropHandlers. Even after cleanUp you'd want them, I think. Most of the users of ExternalDropHandler actually call the initialize instead of cleanUp for doing clean up... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephane ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> To: "Pharo Development" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: [Pharo-project] About ExternalDropHandler initialize > Hi guys > > registerStandardExternalDropHandlers is not invoked from the class > initialize and I was wondering if > one of you know why. > Right now we have: > > ExternalDropHandler class >> initialize > "ExternalDropHandler initialize" > > self resetRegisteredHandlers. > self > registerHandler: self defaultImageHandler; > registerHandler: self defaultGZipHandler. > > This is the same in Squeak > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010

[Pharo-project] About ExternalDropHandler initialize

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys registerStandardExternalDropHandlers is not invoked from the class initialize and I was wondering if one of you know why. Right now we have: ExternalDropHandler class >> initialize "ExternalDropHandler initialize" self resetRegisteredHandlers. self registerHandler: self defaultImageHandler; registerHandler: self defaultGZipHandler. This is the same in Squeak

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] networking problem (repost)

by John M McIntosh

Well Michael is dropping by for a visit. I think we'll reserve a few hours to figure out the technical side of what the proper answer is when you want to know what your IP and interface in use is. Either this is easy to do and *fixes* all the hassles, or unlikely... >From what I gather this is the key issue of the IPV6 usage ? > > Yes, please, I vote for reverting to the old working code. In 1.1 or now > with the GSoC we can propose a new infrastructure for Networking. -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El lun, 08-03-2010 a las 21:36 +0100, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > Hi guys > > Some good news :) Very good indeed. Some questions? - Is french required (A1 DELF or something like that) or English is enough? - Is just for single persons or married ones with kids are allowed? - Do you have some profile you would prefer for the position? -- Visible projects in Smalltalk -- Long time of contributing to Pharo - What kind of Visa is required? - Is some specific technical hability needed (networking experience, vm hacking experience) Cheers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

March 9, 2010

[Pharo-project] Please: less license blahblah, more actual progress on the issue

by Paolo Bonzini

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 18:53, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks thanks thanks thanks for a refresh on that! > Thanks! Stef, instead of thanking five times, why don't you try to do something constructive? The GPLv3 includes a system of granting Additional Permissions. This system has already been used by GCC and Autoconf. Let's develop a set of additional permissions that we believe do not "taint" the whole image. I placed a starting point at http://smalltalk.gnu.org/blog/bonzinip/towards-permissive-copyleft-license-… [To those that followed the entire thread: this is totally independent of how any GSoC code related to GNU Smalltalk will be licensed]. Paolo

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)

by Igor Stasenko

I'd be willing to apply. But i'm not sure if i fit for it. On 9 March 2010 17:15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to >> Â Â Â Â - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) >> Â Â Â Â - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) > > e.g. this one is just 40Km away: > > Â http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm > > Even the local beer is good: > > Â http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/ > >> we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number > > I think it should be explained that this is the french version of > "before taxes", not the same as, > for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and > all social welfare is > already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no > kids), this means you get > 2400 EUR/Month. > > To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before > tax/health/social/unemployment" salary > of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year). > > So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, > you don't need a car, > and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means > my cost of transport > is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London > on the weekend... > > The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in > the world by the > WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance > is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. > Whatever happens. > > Â Â Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker Â -- Â denker(a)acm.org > http://www.marcusdenker.de > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [smalltalk-research] Re: [Esug-list] Google Summer Of Code 2010 news!!!

by Paolo Bonzini

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 16:10, John O'Keefe <wembley.instantiations(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am willing to co-mentor a Grease project and/or a portable TCPIP > implementation (we will need this for the OpenSSL project anyway). I can contribute the GNU Smalltalk TCP/IP implementation under whatever license. It's all written by me(*) so I can relicense it. (*) see http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=smalltalk.git;a=blob;f=packages/socke… UnixStream.st is not anymore part of the package, and Nicolas Burrus' work is not present anymore since I introduce IPv6 support. Paolo

March 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] in 11233 merging is broken?

by Gary Chambers

Rather than ScriptLoader it appears to be a Monticello bug/feature... In PharoCore-1.1-11254 merging Polymorph-Widgets-gvc.109 from SqueakSource doesn't pull in PasteUpMorph>>restoreMorphicDisplay. In fact, after merge it will say "no changes" upon attempted remerge, despite the obvious difference. Something to do with MC doing snapshots relative to (common) ancestors rather then the wroking copy it seems... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] in 11233 merging is broken? I will have a look. Stef On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:38 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2010, at 5:35 PM, GARY CHAMBERS wrote: > >> Something must be wrong with the script load somehow... >> >> Note that there are changes between working copy after load and >> Polymorph-Tools-Diff-StephaneDucasse.23.mcz. >> >> To fix for yourself at the moment, reload >> Polymorph-Tools-Diff-StephaneDucasse.23.mcz. >> > > > The Scriptloader seems to never loas from the repository? Ther is a > > Name: Polymorph-Tools-Diff-StephaneDucasse.46 > Author: StephaneDucasse > Time: 10 February 2010, 7:16:13 pm > > > Marcus > >> Not an answer to why though... >> >> Regards, Gary. >> >> From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> To: Pharo-project Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Thursday, 25 February, 2010 15:50:40 >> Subject: [Pharo-project] in 11233 merging is broken? >> >> Hi all >> >> I'm trying to integrate changes and apparently I cannot merge anymore >> nothing show up :). >> two questions: >> - do you get the behavior with 11233 or it is only me. >> - any idea of the potential problem >> >> - Issue 2071: subclasses and withAllSubclasses should return a >> array. >> - Issue 2076: Clean Exceptions. >> - Issue 2072: clean RealEstateAgent. >> >> >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

March 9, 2010