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Re: [Pharo-project] CompiledMethod asString is a text

by Igor Stasenko

I am sharing Markuses hartred towards badly crafted code. But this is not a hostility towards Squeak. I love it :) There are parts which could be done better and cleaner, with more thought-out design. So, there is a big space for improvement, nothing more. On 1 April 2010 12:45, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de> wrote: > On 4/1/2010 1:06 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >> So then I was wrong with this analysis... but on the big picture, it is >> true. And you know it. > > It was. In the past. But I don't live in the past. I live in the present. > And in the present, Squeak has moved on. We're past that. We have a great > system, a great community, a great contribution process. If you look at the > last eight months we've had more contributions than in the previous five > years together, both small and large. We have *serious* momentum. We have > Etoys and Croquet/Cobalt moving back to Squeak. We'll be having the *second* > release this year in three weeks we may even have a third release this year > if the momentum keeps up. > > In any case we're *way* past the issues you mention. Everyone who wants to > help Squeak is welcome to contribute[1]. That includes you and Stef. You > have standing invitations to join the Squeak core developers so if you have > any interest in Squeak left, you'll pick that invitation up and help make > Squeak better. At least that's how I judge if someone really loves Squeak - > not whether he says it but whether he *does* something to improve it. > > [1]http://squeakboard.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/a-new-community-development-m… > > Cheers, > Â - Andreas > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] squeakToUTF-8 and related?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > > I'll try :-) Thanks I appreciate your effort to educate me. :) > And I should have written unicode clean, not UTF-8. > > So modulo bugs like the one Henrik pointed out Pharo > - keeps all strings in the image in unicode. Either as byte strings for strings that do not contain any characters larger than 127, WideString otherwise using basically UTF-32 encoding. > - has all en/decoders fixed to do the correct *-encoding to unicode and back translation > - utilizes the unicode character entry in the input events, so it should be possible to input all unicode characters on the different keyboards (us, german, french, russian, etc) > - uses unicode encoding for filenames > - uses unicode encoding for the clipboard > > Hope I didn't leave out anything important :-) > > You still need to pick the correct en/decoder to interpret file contents correctly, the system just can't know which encoding the file is in (see e.g. text edit on the mac, you need to set the proper encoding there as well). > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] dlopen() crashing

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

~:( Make that global = 16r100; it makes no difference in the outcome though. -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Schwab,Wilhelm K Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 9:54 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Pharo-project] dlopen() crashing Hello all, I am trying to use dlsym() which means I have to call dlopen(), and it is crashing with messages such as Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 643: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! I am calling it as follows: dlOpen:aString mode:int < cdecl: void* 'dlopen' ( char* long ) > ^ self externalCallFailed. With zero for the mode parameter, it runs but returns an null handle; with 2 (now) or 10 (now|global), it crashes. Any ideas or working examples? Bill _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 1, 2010

[Pharo-project] dlopen() crashing

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Hello all, I am trying to use dlsym() which means I have to call dlopen(), and it is crashing with messages such as Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 643: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! I am calling it as follows: dlOpen:aString mode:int < cdecl: void* 'dlopen' ( char* long ) > ^ self externalCallFailed. With zero for the mode parameter, it runs but returns an null handle; with 2 (now) or 10 (now|global), it crashes. Any ideas or working examples? Bill

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] squeakToUTF-8 and related?

by Henrik Johansen

On Apr 1, 2010, at 3:47 02PM, Michael Rueger wrote: > On 4/1/2010 3:26 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>> Until someone proves me wrong I would say that Pharo is UTF-8 clean :-) >> >> Sure but what does it mean for stef the stupid: >> characters/strings are encoded in UTF-8 or optimized -> 127 and then after >> If you could just rwrtie a little paragraph that I understand once :) > > I'll try :-) > > And I should have written unicode clean, not UTF-8. > > So modulo bugs like the one Henrik pointed out Pharo > - keeps all strings in the image in unicode. Either as byte strings for strings that do not contain any characters larger than 127, WideString otherwise using basically UTF-32 encoding. > - has all en/decoders fixed to do the correct *-encoding to unicode and back translation > - utilizes the unicode character entry in the input events, so it should be possible to input all unicode characters on the different keyboards (us, german, french, russian, etc) > - uses unicode encoding for filenames > - uses unicode encoding for the clipboard > > Hope I didn't leave out anything important :-) I'd like to add "Other means of importing/exporting code", ie. for mcz., .st, .cs, reading/writing logic. This is the place to me there seems to still be shady areas in Pharo. Mostly because they seem to assume different encodings for non-utf8 readable input. Also, I don't really mind we keep some strings as latin1 when possible, as they tend to be a lot faster to process, and the conversion between them and WideStrings is trivial, and as far as I can tell, reliable. Cheers, Henry PS. The other issues with rendering absolutely apply to Pharo, but not quite related to string encoding per se.

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Need screenshots

by Alexandre Bergel

Thanks Mariano and Torsten. I replied privately to Adrian, pictures are a bit too large for the mailing list. Cheers, Alexandre On 31 Mar 2010, at 17:12, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Maybe also to take screenshots of this: > > UITheme exampleBasicControls. > UITheme exampleColorControls. > UITheme exampleDialogs. > UITheme exampleGroups. > UITheme exampleOtherControls. > UITheme exampleWindowWithToolbars. > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> > wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2010, at 23:38 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > Which kind of screenshot? > > I thought primarily of screenshots of Pharo and its dev tools. For > instance the browser with code highlighting, with autocompletion, > merge and diff tool, test runner, GUI with different themes, etc. We > also have a screenshot of an iPhone that would be nice to get > updated. But maybe also screenshots of external applications, like > Mondrian. > > > How do you want them? I send them directly to you? > > Yes, please. > > > Can it be screenshot of applications? I can produce some > screenshot of Mondrian. > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 31 Mar 2010, at 16:32, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > >> To prepare the website for the upcoming release, I'd like to > update the page http://pharo-project.org/about/screenshots with nice > new screenshots. > >> > >> Any takers? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Adrian > >> > >> ___________________ > >> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Need screenshots

by Adrian Lienhard

Thanks all for your help! Cheers, Adrian On Apr 1, 2010, at 15:54 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Thanks Mariano and Torsten. I replied privately to Adrian, pictures are a bit too large for the mailing list. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 31 Mar 2010, at 17:12, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Maybe also to take screenshots of this: >> >> UITheme exampleBasicControls. >> UITheme exampleColorControls. >> UITheme exampleDialogs. >> UITheme exampleGroups. >> UITheme exampleOtherControls. >> UITheme exampleWindowWithToolbars. >> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi(a)netstyle.ch> wrote: >> >> On Mar 31, 2010, at 23:38 , Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> >> > Which kind of screenshot? >> >> I thought primarily of screenshots of Pharo and its dev tools. For instance the browser with code highlighting, with autocompletion, merge and diff tool, test runner, GUI with different themes, etc. We also have a screenshot of an iPhone that would be nice to get updated. But maybe also screenshots of external applications, like Mondrian. >> >> > How do you want them? I send them directly to you? >> >> Yes, please. >> >> > Can it be screenshot of applications? I can produce some screenshot of Mondrian. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> > On 31 Mar 2010, at 16:32, Adrian Lienhard wrote: >> > >> >> To prepare the website for the upcoming release, I'd like to update the page http://pharo-project.org/about/screenshots with nice new screenshots. >> >> >> >> Any takers? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Adrian >> >> >> >> ___________________ >> >> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] squeakToUTF-8 and related?

by Michael Rueger

On 4/1/2010 3:26 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> Until someone proves me wrong I would say that Pharo is UTF-8 clean :-) > > Sure but what does it mean for stef the stupid: > characters/strings are encoded in UTF-8 or optimized -> 127 and then after > If you could just rwrtie a little paragraph that I understand once :) I'll try :-) And I should have written unicode clean, not UTF-8. So modulo bugs like the one Henrik pointed out Pharo - keeps all strings in the image in unicode. Either as byte strings for strings that do not contain any characters larger than 127, WideString otherwise using basically UTF-32 encoding. - has all en/decoders fixed to do the correct *-encoding to unicode and back translation - utilizes the unicode character entry in the input events, so it should be possible to input all unicode characters on the different keyboards (us, german, french, russian, etc) - uses unicode encoding for filenames - uses unicode encoding for the clipboard Hope I didn't leave out anything important :-) You still need to pick the correct en/decoder to interpret file contents correctly, the system just can't know which encoding the file is in (see e.g. text edit on the mac, you need to set the proper encoding there as well). Michael

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] squeakToUTF-8 and related?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > On 4/1/2010 10:38 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> So mike could you summarize the Pharo situation. > > Until someone proves me wrong I would say that Pharo is UTF-8 clean :-) Sure but what does it mean for stef the stupid: characters/strings are encoded in UTF-8 or optimized -> 127 and then after If you could just rwrtie a little paragraph that I understand once :) > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 1, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Test for Collection>>sorted

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks hilaire. Stef > StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > >>>> Hilaire you should read the paper on traits. >>> pointer on *one* good tutorial? I think I already read something. A small memento on the syntax to define and to use trait will be enough to get started comfortably. If there are such a things I suggest we add it in good place in the pharo web site (along a paper on unit test); these features are essential parts -- features -- of Pharo, so why not emphasis it. >> this is on my todo for the next book but well other people could help... > > For now, adding two entries on the FAQ with link to reference material > about Trait and Unit Test could help and be helpful. > > >>> Btw, it would be a nice idea to convert an html version of the Pharo by example book, so we can have direct pointer to chapter from the pharo web site. It should be doable with latex2html. In the past I used hyperlatex to produce both nice html and pdf version of DrGeo manual (http://documentation.ofset.org/drgeo/fr/drgenius_51.html) >> I do not have time for that. > > Depending on how is constructed the latex source it could be tedious or not: if command where use to abstract the latex instruction it will be easier. > > I have commited in the Inbox tests and fixed for sorted, sorted: methods. Trait are indeed nicely used in the test classes. > > Hilaire > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 1, 2010