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Re: [Pharo-project] squeakToUTF-8 and related?

by Levente Uzonyi

On Thu, 1 Apr 2010, Michael Rueger wrote: > On 4/1/2010 3:26 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>> Until someone proves me wrong I would say that Pharo is UTF-8 clean :-) >> >> Sure but what does it mean for stef the stupid: >> characters/strings are encoded in UTF-8 or optimized -> 127 and then >> after >> If you could just rwrtie a little paragraph that I understand once :) > > I'll try :-) > > And I should have written unicode clean, not UTF-8. > > So modulo bugs like the one Henrik pointed out Pharo > - keeps all strings in the image in unicode. Either as byte strings for > strings that do not contain any characters larger than 127, WideString This sounds really inefficient. Did you remove the primitive send from ByteString >> #at:put:, or the following works, breaking the above constraint? (ByteString basicNew: 1) at: 1 put: (Character value: 128) Levente > otherwise using basically UTF-32 encoding. > - has all en/decoders fixed to do the correct *-encoding to unicode and back > translation > - utilizes the unicode character entry in the input events, so it should be > possible to input all unicode characters on the different keyboards (us, > german, french, russian, etc) > - uses unicode encoding for filenames > - uses unicode encoding for the clipboard > > Hope I didn't leave out anything important :-) > > You still need to pick the correct en/decoder to interpret file contents > correctly, the system just can't know which encoding the file is in (see e.g. > text edit on the mac, you need to set the proper encoding there as well). > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by Michael Rueger

On 4/3/2010 11:09 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > did you check on the etoy image? I imgaine that they have their own > repository? Sye AFAIK they don't use Monticello... Michael

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 3, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Michael Rueger a Ã©crit : >> On 4/3/2010 10:45 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >>> Yet, there are things to be done. Along Sugar theme, gettext support (or >>> any portable equivalent) is necessary. >> Didn't the OLPC people write some import/interface for that? >> Bert should know :-) > > Definitely, Bert help me on that topic so I can I produce a XO bundle and a one-click release of DrGeo in several languages. > A loadable package for Pharo will be great. However, a search of the gettext string in Squeaksource returns nothing. did you check on the etoy image? I imgaine that they have their own repository? Sye > > Hilaire > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by Hilaire Fernandes

Michael Rueger a Ã©crit : > On 4/3/2010 10:45 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Yet, there are things to be done. Along Sugar theme, gettext support (or >> any portable equivalent) is necessary. > > Didn't the OLPC people write some import/interface for that? > Bert should know :-) Definitely, Bert help me on that topic so I can I produce a XO bundle and a one-click release of DrGeo in several languages. A loadable package for Pharo will be great. However, a search of the gettext string in Squeaksource returns nothing. Hilaire

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by Michael Rueger

On 4/3/2010 10:45 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Yet, there are things to be done. Along Sugar theme, gettext support (or > any portable equivalent) is necessary. Didn't the OLPC people write some import/interface for that? Bert should know :-) Michael

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by Hilaire Fernandes

Michael Rueger a Ã©crit : > On 4/2/2010 11:36 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have designed a first -- not finished yet -- Sugar theme for Polymorph > > Nice! Yes, it is a good start. As far as I understand what the Sugar Labs people try to do, they want to propose Sugar as an OS for learning, universally deployable in any kind of devices. I feel it as a great opportunity for Pharo to be there as well, not to mention the huge advantage you got developing an application with Pharo as it become trivially portable. Yet, there are things to be done. Along Sugar theme, gettext support (or any portable equivalent) is necessary. Hilaire > > We did a Sugar like theme for Sophie back then, might be worth checking > in the css and artwork if anything could be reused for > extending/fine-tuning your theme. > > Michael

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Cool hilaire. Stef On Apr 2, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Hello, > > I have designed a first -- not finished yet -- Sugar theme for Polymorph > > http://www.squeaksource.com/SugarTheme.html > > It is only for pharo 1.1 (not sure it works as expected with 1.0) because polymorph was updated by Gary to help. > > With the support of Gary, I look at contributing more improvment in the future. > > Hilaire > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

A nice incentive to have shorter menus :) On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:41 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hello Hilaire, > Nice theme, one little thing is happening in the contextual menu, > some items related with refactoring operations are unreadable, please > see the attachement to see what I mean. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2010/4/2 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: >> Hello, >> >> I have designed a first -- not finished yet -- Sugar theme for Polymorph >> >> http://www.squeaksource.com/SugarTheme.html >> >> It is only for pharo 1.1 (not sure it works as expected with 1.0) because >> polymorph was updated by Gary to help. >> >> With the support of Gary, I look at contributing more improvment in the >> future. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > <Theme1.jpg>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Sugar Theme

by Hilaire Fernandes

In the wiki section of the Squeaksource web page of Sugar theme (http://www.squeaksource.com/SugarTheme.html) I have added link to reference documentation about the Sugar UI specification. In case any one is interested... Hilaire Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : > Hey, thanks for the screenshot. > > Yes, this is still work in progress. > > By the way, do not hesitate to contribute any bits of improvements, the > Monticello repository is wide open. For Surgar theme we should get rid > of the shaded menu anyway. > > Several things need to be done. Some need internal change in Polymorph, > for example to get rid of the arrow in the slider (you have noted the > small round black shapes in place of the arrows in the slider, we should > get rid of that ones, but Gary need to change a bit Polymorph to be able > to do that). > > Oh, I should add a link of the Sugar UI guide in the Squeaksouce wiki. > > Hilaire > > > HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >> Hello Hilaire, >> Nice theme, one little thing is happening in the contextual menu, >> some items related with refactoring operations are unreadable, please >> see the attachement to see what I mean. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 3, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] A port of Pharo: Redline Smalltalk ...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi Pharo-ites, > > I'm working on a port of Pharo to the Java Virtual Machine called Redline Smalltalk. > (read more here: http://jamesladdcode.com/?p=323) Excellent I think that having a smalltalk running on JVM is cool. Did you check SqueakOnJava? http://squeak.cz/public/pub/SqueakOnJava/ or http://news.squeak.org/2008/07/07/potato-version-of-jsqueak-from-hpi/ or littleSmalltalk > I'm wanting to port every single class over time, but initially enough to get the > compiler working and have a minimum runtime. Why do you want to port the compiler in Java? In Java you should only implement the necessary infrastructure to run the object model of Pharo (primitives in particular). Then you can load Smalltalk code and you do not need to compile smalltalk code in smalltalk? > Of the 1600+/- classes which are those necessary to make a small workable compiler > and runtime environment? good question :) study little Smalltalk for example to get an idea. > Rgs, James. > > > Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 3, 2010

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