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Re: [Pharo-project] Open Pharo debugger from a Seaside wallback

by Facundo Vozzi

Stef, I'm using Pharo 1.0 RC2 with Seaside 2.8.4 and all is fine but it took over 15 seconds open a smalltalk debugger from a Seaside wallback. It was the reason of my first mail. I tried with Squeak 4.1 RC4, to discard a network configuration problem at operative system level, and i don't have the problem. It takes 1 second to open the debugger. Then, Marcus ask to me if i had the same problem with "PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE", at that time I download it, installed Seaside and try again. To Install Seaside took to me over 20 minutes but I had been instaled it on Pharo 1.0 and was been fine. Is it more clear now ?. Please, sorry for my poor English. Facu On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:03 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > This is really strange. Can you describe your setup? Do you have an > antivirus? And with Squeak you do not have that behavior? > We are loading larger code than seaside in Pharo and we do not have this > problem. > So I would really like to understand. Could you post your image somewhere? > > Stef > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > Stef, > > It took to me over 20 minutes to complete the Seaside 2.8 installation > and when I interrupted it the debugger opened when the system was writting > the pharoXXX.changes always but I couldn't check what is happening. > > > > I will check it again. > > > > Facu > > > > ps: I refered to pharoXXX.changes as "log" because of Visual Smalltalk > where the "changes" are called changes.log, excuse me. > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > > > Marcus, > > > I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at > home. > > > > > > It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I used > Squeak to test this particular situation. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Facu > > > > > > (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the > instalation > > > > which log? > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker < > marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > > > > > >> Lukas, > > > >> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and > Pharo. > > > >> > > > >> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very > very fast > > > >> to open de smalltalk debugger. > > > >> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you > note that too or it's only my sensations? > > > >> > > > > > > > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1? > > > > > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 > speed-wise, but Pharo 1.1 > > > > > > > > > > My theory for your bug is that it's this: > > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860 > > > > > > We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was > supposed to be released > > > "very soon". > > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Facundo Vozzi > > > InfOil S.A. > > > Project Leader > > > (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 > > > fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-project mailing list > > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > -- > > Facundo Vozzi > > InfOil S.A. > > Project Leader > > (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 > > fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Facundo Vozzi InfOil S.A. Project Leader (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Open Pharo debugger from a Seaside wallback

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

This is really strange. Can you describe your setup? Do you have an antivirus? And with Squeak you do not have that behavior? We are loading larger code than seaside in Pharo and we do not have this problem. So I would really like to understand. Could you post your image somewhere? Stef On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > Stef, > It took to me over 20 minutes to complete the Seaside 2.8 installation and when I interrupted it the debugger opened when the system was writting the pharoXXX.changes always but I couldn't check what is happening. > > I will check it again. > > Facu > > ps: I refered to pharoXXX.changes as "log" because of Visual Smalltalk where the "changes" are called changes.log, excuse me. > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > Marcus, > > I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at home. > > > > It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I used Squeak to test this particular situation. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Facu > > > > (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the instalation > > which log? > > Stef > > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > > > >> Lukas, > > >> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and Pharo. > > >> > > >> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very very fast > > >> to open de smalltalk debugger. > > >> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you note that too or it's only my sensations? > > >> > > > > > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1? > > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 speed-wise, but Pharo 1.1 > > > > > > > My theory for your bug is that it's this: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860 > > > > We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was supposed to be released > > "very soon". > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > -- > > Facundo Vozzi > > InfOil S.A. > > Project Leader > > (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 > > fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > Facundo Vozzi > InfOil S.A. > Project Leader > (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 > fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Regex Chapter for PBE 2 is now online

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks!!! Stef (we have some more in preparation). On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote: > > The draft chapter on Regular Expressions in Pharo planned for Pharo by Example 2 is now available online for review: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26818/Regex.pdf > > Please send feedback to the discussion list for SBE and PBE: > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/sbe-discussion > > Thanks, > - on > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: #recreateSpecialObjectsArray woes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > Okay, then i propose to: > > 1. fix the interpreterProxy spec, so all VMs will include addRoot() & friends > 2. create a single and _final_ version of #recreateSpecialObjectsArray > 3. remove overrides of this method from both FFI and Alien packages. > 4. Optionally, rewrite plugins to use own special objects at initialization, so > they no longer need extending specialObjectsArray, and hence use of > #recreateSpecialObjectsArray 5. Add a **large comment** stating how it should be done. For example using the example andreas used. Stef > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: #recreateSpecialObjectsArray woes

by Andreas Raab

On 4/12/2010 12:49 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > Okay, then i propose to: > > 1. fix the interpreterProxy spec, so all VMs will include addRoot()& friends > 2. create a single and _final_ version of #recreateSpecialObjectsArray > 3. remove overrides of this method from both FFI and Alien packages. > 4. Optionally, rewrite plugins to use own special objects at initialization, so > they no longer need extending specialObjectsArray, and hence use of > #recreateSpecialObjectsArray +1. Cheers, - Andreas

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Open Pharo debugger from a Seaside wallback

by Facundo Vozzi

Mariano, I don't what is loaded in Squeak because I only open it to check this particular problem but Squeak 4.1 RC4 looks like Pharo. I used it because it was easy to me load seaside and discard a network connection problem on the operative system level. Cheers, Facu 2010/4/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Another difference maybe the tools that are loaded in Squeak and Pharo. I > am not aware what is loaded in Squeak images, but in PharoDev you have OB, > OCompletion, RefactoringBrowser, TrueType fonts, Shout, etc. > > Some of these tools make Pharo a bit more slower than the PharoCore. If > they Squeak image you are using doesn't have all those tools, then you > should compare to a PharoCore image, not Dev. Pharo core images doesn't have > all the dev tools. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: >> >> > Marcus, >> > I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at home. >> > >> > It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I used >> Squeak to test this particular situation. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > >> > Facu >> > >> > (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the >> instalation >> >> which log? >> >> Stef >> >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >> wrote: >> > >> > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: >> > > >> > >> Lukas, >> > >> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and >> Pharo. >> > >> >> > >> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very >> very fast >> > >> to open de smalltalk debugger. >> > >> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you >> note that too or it's only my sensations? >> > >> >> > > >> > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1? >> > > >> > > >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE… >> > > >> > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 speed-wise, >> but Pharo 1.1 >> > > >> > >> > My theory for your bug is that it's this: >> > >> > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860 >> > >> > We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was >> supposed to be released >> > "very soon". >> > >> > Marcus >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Facundo Vozzi >> > InfOil S.A. >> > Project Leader >> > (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 >> > fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Facundo Vozzi InfOil S.A. Project Leader (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: #recreateSpecialObjectsArray woes

by Igor Stasenko

Okay, then i propose to: 1. fix the interpreterProxy spec, so all VMs will include addRoot() & friends 2. create a single and _final_ version of #recreateSpecialObjectsArray 3. remove overrides of this method from both FFI and Alien packages. 4. Optionally, rewrite plugins to use own special objects at initialization, so they no longer need extending specialObjectsArray, and hence use of #recreateSpecialObjectsArray -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Open Pharo debugger from a Seaside wallback

by Facundo Vozzi

Stef, It took to me over 20 minutes to complete the Seaside 2.8 installation and when I interrupted it the debugger opened when the system was writting the pharoXXX.changes always but I couldn't check what is happening. I will check it again. Facu ps: I refered to pharoXXX.changes as "log" because of Visual Smalltalk where the "changes" are called changes.log, excuse me. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > Marcus, > > I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at home. > > > > It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I used > Squeak to test this particular situation. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Facu > > > > (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the > instalation > > which log? > > Stef > > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > > > >> Lukas, > > >> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and Pharo. > > >> > > >> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very > very fast > > >> to open de smalltalk debugger. > > >> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you note > that too or it's only my sensations? > > >> > > > > > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1? > > > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 speed-wise, > but Pharo 1.1 > > > > > > > My theory for your bug is that it's this: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860 > > > > We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was supposed > to be released > > "very soon". > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > -- > > Facundo Vozzi > > InfOil S.A. > > Project Leader > > (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 > > fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Facundo Vozzi InfOil S.A. Project Leader (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Open Pharo debugger from a Seaside wallback

by Facundo Vozzi

Marcus, it's took to me over 20 minutes complete the Seaside 2.8 instalation and the problem persist. It takes 15 seconds to open the smalltalk debugger from the seaside wallback page. Facu On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > > > Lukas, > > It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and Pharo. > > > > But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very very > fast > > to open de smalltalk debugger. > > Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you note > that too or it's only my sensations? > > > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1? > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE… > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 speed-wise, but > Pharo 1.1 > > Marcus > > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Facundo Vozzi InfOil S.A. Project Leader (+54-11) 4542-9999 x108 fvozzi(a)infoil.com.ar

April 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: #recreateSpecialObjectsArray woes

by John M McIntosh

It's in the Alien directory. somehow it never got promoted to the cross platform directory. So check the sqVirtualMachine.h You may need to adjust it. On 2010-04-12, at 12:01 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 12 April 2010 21:52, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de> wrote: >> On 4/12/2010 11:46 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>> Ah, that's cool.. Except that most recent SVN repository >>> sqVirtualMachine.h (revision 1955) having no addGCroot: defined in >>> InterpreterProxy struct. >>> I am using wrong SVN repository? >>> http://squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/trunk/ >> >> Err, weird. The code is in VMMaker but it seems as if SVN hasn't been >> updated. It should include this: >> > > Yes. I remember seeing that code before. > This is twice strange that its not in SVN repo. > > [snip] > >> >> Cheers, >> - Andreas >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

April 12, 2010