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Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Javier PimÃ¡s

Excelent, I've uploaded these changes and made a small fix to make it resize on main window's resize. By the way, I fixed your permissions in squeaksource. Thanks! Javier. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Javier > > >Nice!!! That looks wonderful, you just got a write permission in > >squeaksource ;) Could you please commit these changes? > > No, since I have no permission yet. > > Attached is the full mcz with the cleanups. I also categorized > all methods (version 2). And added a missing "super initialize" > (version 3) > > Bye > T. > -- > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Igor Stasenko

On 14 May 2010 21:35, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I did have a look at it. > But I forgot :) I found it fun. > +1 i like these bits. They greatly helping people to enter a new domain. Its interesting, somehow to do it a context-sensitive. So, depending on a focused window (i.e. browser, workspace, debugger and so on), it could choost a tip for given context, like: 'did you know that to find a class by name in browser you can do ... ' and, if you currently in debugger, it could show a tips related to debugger, like: 'did you know that in debugger you can type or select one of the method's expression and then inspect or evaluate in the context of current method... ' > Stef > >> Stephane, >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I'll have a look. I't would be easy to add growl as a backend, as presentation and model are separated from the start. What I wonder is if growl fits in here, isn't it a system wide notification system? >> >> Regards, >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Javier. >> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Javier >> >> this is fun. >> I saw that somebody did a kind a growl widget for Squeak. >> >> Stef >> >> On May 14, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > Â Â I was thinking that new users can get much help from did you know tips. But I don't like regular tips, which are shown in a modal window that just bothers the user. This are shown at the top of the window and should rotate automatically after some time. >> > Â Â I developed the code in squeak4 because I had an image already open, and now when I open it in pharo I see that I have SystemWindowButton class missing. What steps should I follow to port that from Squeak? You can see a screenshot below, and are invited to write more tips, like keyboard shortcuts and anything you think is useful. >> > Â Â By the way it is in >> > >> > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips >> > >> > and you open it doing >> > >> > PharoTipsMorph show. >> > >> > Hope someone likes it, >> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Javier. >> > >> > -- >> > Javier PimÃ¡s >> > Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> > <screenshot.png>_______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> -- >> Javier PimÃ¡s >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I paste a text I got from an old mail: "The latest version on squeaksource works. You can load it from http://squeaksource.com/RFB (Note that this package has been forked at least three times.) We used to connect to the server with RealVNC with the following settings: ZRLE encoding (disable auto select), Full color. IIRC you should also turn off the "render cursor locally" feature. On the server you should allow ZRLE and turn off the conserve memory feature. " In addition, ask in seaside mailing list too. You will probably receive more help. Cheers Mariano 2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> > Exactly what VNC slient I can use on Windows? > I tried VNC viewer free ( > http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/winvncviewer.html) trying to > connect to the locally run Pharo and the viewer fails with "uncknown rect > encoding" after which Pharo image also freezes. > Is there any step-by-step tutorial how to setup VNC (remote Linux, local > Windows)? > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2010/5/14 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com>: >> > Interesting! Is it done on the X-server side or client? >> > >> you should have settings in your VNC client. >> also, you could set bpp for image. >> both could help to run things faster. >> >> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > That's right, looks like it sends full-blown images (not the delta, >> not >> >> > the >> >> > commands to x-server) and re-drawing takes forever. I wonder if it's >> a >> >> > Pharo >> >> > issue or x-server's? My xterm works pretty fast compared to Pharo >> >> > though... >> >> > >> >> lowering the pixel depth to 8bpp helps :) >> >> >> >> > 2010/5/12 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have at times done what you are attempting, and painful is nicest >> >> >> adjective I can think to use. Please let us know if VNC is a better >> >> >> option. Re RDP, I have wondered whether the poor performance could >> be >> >> >> telling us something about the amount of drawing that might be >> >> >> happening for >> >> >> no purpose??? It can be terribly slow, especially the response to >> >> >> typing. >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >> [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of >> >> >> Mariano >> >> >> Martinez Peck >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:25 AM >> >> >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Remove developing with Pharo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/5/12 Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Currently I have my web applications running on a Ubuntu box to >> which >> >> >>> I >> >> >>> connect from a remote WinXP system via ssh. >> >> >> >> >> >> I guess the subject should be "remote" instead of "remove" ? ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry I ask but why not you cannot just develop in your pc and with >> scp >> >> >> or >> >> >> similar you copy the .image and .image file trough ssh to the server >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> My current set of tools is Lisp/Slime/Emacs. >> >> >>> I tried to launch Pharo with X11 forwarding using X-server on >> WinXP, >> >> >>> but >> >> >>> it painfully slow (the Pharo main windows redraws in a few >> minutes). >> >> >>> I am really thinking developing some web app using Pharo/Seaside (I >> am >> >> >>> liking the language more and more!) but I need to know to do it >> >> >>> remotely via >> >> >>> a secure connection. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, there is an implementation of the VNC protocolol. You can take >> a >> >> >> Pharo image and load a VNC server. Then, you can connect to any VNC >> >> >> client >> >> >> and what you see is the image....Then you can do whatever you want. >> I >> >> >> don't >> >> >> know the performance, thus. >> >> >> >> >> >> That package is called RFB (remote something buffer) >> >> >> >> >> >> http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc >> >> >> >> >> >> To install it: >> >> >> >> >> >> Gofer it >> >> >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; >> >> >> package: 'ConfigurationOfRFB'; >> >> >> load. >> >> >> ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRFB) project perform: >> #latestVersion) >> >> >> load. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thank you, >> >> >>> Andrei >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >>> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-project mailing list >> >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-project mailing list >> > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Problem in Pharo 1.1 (Igor?) : You have reached the size limit of the changes file.

by Igor Stasenko

On 14 May 2010 04:27, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 02:33:38AM +0300, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> 2010/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:26 PM, St??phane Ducasse >> > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >> >> mariano >> >> >> >> i just released a fix could you stress the system? >> > >> > wiiiiiii >> > >> > My .changes is now 36MB. It seems to work ok. >> > >> Don't climb too high , failing would be painfull :) > > Actually you should keep climbing! The address mapping needs to > do strange things on the 32MB boundaries for backward compatibility > with the original 32MB address mapping. So keep loading those > Seaside packages until you get to at least 150MB or so, just be > to sure it keeps working over 32MB -> 64MB -> 96MB -> 128MB ... > Isn't it would be wiser to do a simple numerical tests, instead of manually tossing bunch of code into the .changes? > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 14, 2010

[Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi Javier >Nice!!! That looks wonderful, you just got a write permission in >squeaksource ;) Could you please commit these changes? No, since I have no permission yet. Attached is the full mcz with the cleanups. I also categorized all methods (version 2). And added a missing "super initialize" (version 3) Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] maybe a stupid question :)

by Igor Stasenko

On 14 May 2010 21:36, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >>I mean "pharo" is "pharo core" > > Is Linux only the Kernel? No. > You have a Linux version (distro) and the kernel version. > >>and "pharo dev" is just pharo+packages loaded > > Pharo-dev is what is distributed by default and typically > called "Pharo". Similar to the platform and loaded packages > in Eclipse or the linux kernel with loaded packages to form > a Linux system. > My 2c. I think that the difference here is that Pharo-Core maintained by Pharo team and under their direct responsibility, while Pharo-dev includes various packages, which is maintained separately. Pharo team, of course having a strong influence on Pharo-dev shape, but main focus is core. > Bye > T. > > > > -- > GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] RB and OB in Pharo 1.1 [WAS] Re: [Seaside] Loading Seaside 3.0 in Pharo 1.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Good to know. I add it for the moment. > > > > Now, another problems while running tests: > > > > Deprecation: The method ArrayedCollection asSortedArray has been > deprecated. > > Use asArray sort > > > > in BogusDamage >> repairCategories: > > > > Deprecation: The method Boolean and:and:and: has been deprecated. > > Use and: instead > > > > in BogusDamage >> repairMethod: > > > > At least, they are easy to fix ;) > > Sorry, I forgot to commit that, because the tests un-dirty it. > > Don't worry. Thanks ! Mariano > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 14, 2010

[Pharo-project] maybe a stupid question :)

by Torsten Bergmann

>I mean "pharo" is "pharo core" Is Linux only the Kernel? No. You have a Linux version (distro) and the kernel version. >and "pharo dev" is just pharo+packages loaded Pharo-dev is what is distributed by default and typically called "Pharo". Similar to the platform and loaded packages in Eclipse or the linux kernel with loaded packages to form a Linux system. Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I did have a look at it. But I forgot :) I found it fun. Stef > Stephane, > I'll have a look. I't would be easy to add growl as a backend, as presentation and model are separated from the start. What I wonder is if growl fits in here, isn't it a system wide notification system? > > Regards, > Javier. > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Javier > > this is fun. > I saw that somebody did a kind a growl widget for Squeak. > > Stef > > On May 14, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: > > > Hi, > > I was thinking that new users can get much help from did you know tips. But I don't like regular tips, which are shown in a modal window that just bothers the user. This are shown at the top of the window and should rotate automatically after some time. > > I developed the code in squeak4 because I had an image already open, and now when I open it in pharo I see that I have SystemWindowButton class missing. What steps should I follow to port that from Squeak? You can see a screenshot below, and are invited to write more tips, like keyboard shortcuts and anything you think is useful. > > By the way it is in > > > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips > > > > and you open it doing > > > > PharoTipsMorph show. > > > > Hope someone likes it, > > Javier. > > > > -- > > Javier PimÃ¡s > > Ciudad de Buenos Aires > > <screenshot.png>_______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > -- > Javier PimÃ¡s > Ciudad de Buenos Aires > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo tips

by Javier PimÃ¡s

Stephane, I'll have a look. I't would be easy to add growl as a backend, as presentation and model are separated from the start. What I wonder is if growl fits in here, isn't it a system wide notification system? Regards, Javier. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Javier > > this is fun. > I saw that somebody did a kind a growl widget for Squeak. > > Stef > > On May 14, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: > > > Hi, > > I was thinking that new users can get much help from did you know > tips. But I don't like regular tips, which are shown in a modal window that > just bothers the user. This are shown at the top of the window and should > rotate automatically after some time. > > I developed the code in squeak4 because I had an image already open, > and now when I open it in pharo I see that I have SystemWindowButton class > missing. What steps should I follow to port that from Squeak? You can see a > screenshot below, and are invited to write more tips, like keyboard > shortcuts and anything you think is useful. > > By the way it is in > > > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoTips > > > > and you open it doing > > > > PharoTipsMorph show. > > > > Hope someone likes it, > > Javier. > > > > -- > > Javier PimÃ¡s > > Ciudad de Buenos Aires > > <screenshot.png>_______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

May 14, 2010