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Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] What packages to load from Metacello in PharoDev?

by Dale Henrichs

Mariano, Which Test packages to load ... The real answer to that question will depend upon what other packages are loaded .... if you load 'Tests' you'll end up loading up most of the "optional packages," so if that's not a problem in the default PharoDev then 'Tests' is the right answer, otherwise I would think that the list should match the optional set of packages you are loading anyway... OB-Metacello was ported to Pharo1.1 in version 1.0-beta.26.2, which I will be releasing very soon. I agree that for the default environment it is a good idea to include the extra packages, since they provide a level of functionality/documentation that should be present ... I will mention that the Metacello tests can be slow to execute, since they do a lot of loading/unloading of packages (using dictionary-based repositories)... Finally, you can use a valid version of Metacello .... it turns out that if you specify a version of a project that is _older_ than the currently loaded one, Metacello will use the current version and apply the load list to the loaded version instead of the one listed ... if the loaded version is _older_ than the specified version then the newer version will be loaded ... Sooo, all you have to do is specify a reasonable version of Metacello and if later versions are loaded the correct pacakges will be loaded ... BTW, the bug that you noticed with Seaside3.0 was related to this mechanism not quite working correctly:) (oh and I've fixed this bug in 1.0-beta.26.2). The only time that a downgrade of mcz files occurs is when you explicitly load a Configuration whose mcz files are older than the loaded versions. Only the packages associated directly with the configuration are downgraded ... the referenced projects follow the "standard rules". Dale ________________________________________ From: metacello(a)googlegroups.com [metacello(a)googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:25 AM To: metacello(a)googlegroups.com; Pharo Development Subject: [Metacello] What packages to load from Metacello in PharoDev? Hi. For building PharoDev images, we take a PharoCore and just evaluate something like: (ConfigurationOfPharo project version: '1.1-beta1.10517') load So....Metacello would be boostraped from ConfigurationOfPharo>>ensureMetacello which does a (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMetacello) perform: #loadLatestVersion and ConfigurationOfMetacello>>loadLatestVersion does a "self project latestVersion load" ... and, the default of ConfigurationOfMetacello is Core....so, in summary, only core is loaded. Perfect. Now I was thinking that we should load more packages in PharoDev image. First, we want the Metacello tests. For all packages we include by default in PharoDev, we also include its tests (by default). This is cool because people test it, we can give you quick feedback, be sure all green tests, etc. They are cool as documentation, blah blah blah. So, first question, which tests package should I load? Metacello-Tests Metacello-TestsCore Metacello-TestsMC Metacello-TestsPlatform.pharo Metacello-TestsReference Or, maybe even better, load the group 'Test'. I guess this is the correct one. Now, I also think we could include all the following packages: - Tutorial: this is cool for newcomers. They want to do the Metacello tutorial, and having it already in the image is cool I think. I want to include also the tests for the tutorial - HelpSystem for Metacello: we need to copy this package from the HelpSystem repo (see my other email) - Metacello ProfStef - Metacello OB: do you know if it is working in Pharo 1.1 and with OB 1.1.4 ? What do you think about including these packages in PharoDev by default ? I think it is a good idea. Regardless that, I am not sure how to load them. As I told you, when building PharoDev images, Metacello is boostraped from the #ensureMetacello of ConfigurationOfPharo. And this will load the Core. ANd this is correct because other people use COnfigurationOfPharo for their own stuff and they just want the core. But in the case of PharoDev, I want more packages. But modifying #ensureMetacello is not an alternative. So...I can put a reference to ConfigurationOfMetacello in Conf of Pharo, just like any other dependency, and there I specify the loads: with the array of things I want. This seems better. But I still have a problem: #ensureMetacello will load the latestVersion of it. It will load core. So, which version of ConfigurationOfMetacello should I use in my version of ConfigurationOfPharo. If I put a specific version, I may hve problems because it will try to download different versions....So, I would like to load the same as the #ensureMetacello. But I cannot specify in version method lastVersion for metacello. what can I do ? don't specify the metacello version in the version method so that it takes the last one ? Thanks and sorry for the long email Mariano

May 21, 2010

[Pharo-project] Adding BlockClosure>>timeToRunWithoutGC [WAS] Fwd: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Kernel-ul.251.mcz

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. I saw this method in Squeak and seems interesting to include in Pharo too. What do you think ? Cheers Mariano ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael van der Gulik <mikevdg(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Kernel-ul.251.mcz To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM, <commits(a)source.squeak.org> wrote: > Item was added: > + ----- Method: BlockClosure>>timeToRunWithoutGC (in category 'evaluating') > ----- > + timeToRunWithoutGC > + "Answer the number of milliseconds taken to execute this block > without GC time." > + > + ^(SmalltalkImage current vmParameterAt: 8) + > + (SmalltalkImage current vmParameterAt: 10) + > + self timeToRun - > + (SmalltalkImage current vmParameterAt: 8) - > + (SmalltalkImage current vmParameterAt: 10) > + ! > > > Could this method be put somewhere other than in Kernel, say for example in a separate profiling package? Gulik. -- http://gulik.pbwiki.com/

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by laurent laffont

OK thanks. I've seen http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1281 Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2010/5/21 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >> Hi, >> >> How can I export test results into plain ASCII ? >> >> > http://forum.world.st/Fileout-the-test-results-td1301529.html#a1301529 > > > > > Cheers, >> >> Laurent Laffont >> >> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ >> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by laurent laffont

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2010/5/21 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >> Hi, >> >> tests result: 9449 run, 9356 passes, 57 expected failures, 16 failures, 20 >> errors, 0 unexpected passes >> >> On Linux, squeakvm 4.0.3-2202 >> >> See attached screenshot. >> >> >> > > Yes, more or less the same I have. Now people know where and how to help. > There are both, PharoCore and external issues. Some are very easy. Just re > run of the errors and failing ones and you will see. Some are easy, other > difficult. But give them a try! > I've seen some ProfStefBrowser tests fail. I'm looking at it. Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > Cheers > > Mariano > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to understand raised....

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Maybe you are talking about Hernan Morales: http://forum.world.st/EventInterceptor-and-MessageSendTree-tp1298669p129866… Hernan, is it working in Pharo 1.1 ? I think it is a cool package to include it in PharoNonCorePackages. Or in PharoDev. Cheers Mariano On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to follow the event raised when adding a new class/package.... > and this is a bit obscure. > If I remember there is a tool to get a better understanding of the events > raised by the system. > Does anybody as a pointer? > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/5/21 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > tests result: 9449 run, 9356 passes, 57 expected failures, 16 failures, 20 > errors, 0 unexpected passes > > On Linux, squeakvm 4.0.3-2202 > > See attached screenshot. > > > Yes, more or less the same I have. Now people know where and how to help. There are both, PharoCore and external issues. Some are very easy. Just re run of the errors and failing ones and you will see. Some are easy, other difficult. But give them a try! Cheers Mariano

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: > You are right ... I didn't know about it ... > > So the next question is....I can certainly host it in the primary metacello > repository...should I add it to my metacello configuraiton as well, so it > can be loaded? If so then I can certainly do that ... yes! > does the package have any dependencies that I need to be aware of? > We should listen to Torsten but as far as I would expect, only HelpSystem, but it is already included in both PharoCore and Squeak. I have no idea about Gemstone. Cheers Mariano > Dale > ________________________________________ > From: metacello(a)googlegroups.com [metacello(a)googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Cc: metacello(a)googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: [BetaTesting] [ANN] > Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1 > > Hi Dale. Repository: http://www.squeaksource.com/HelpSystem > package: Metacello-Help > > maybe you were not even aware of such package (me neither) hahah > > cheers > > mariano > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com > <mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com>> wrote: > Mariano, > > I'm not sure I am following ... What Help package are you referring to? > > Dale > ________________________________________ > From: metacello(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:metacello@googlegroups.com> [ > metacello(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:metacello@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com<mailto: > marianopeck(a)gmail.com>] > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:36 AM > To: Pharo Development; metacello(a)googlegroups.com<mailto: > metacello(a)googlegroups.com> > Subject: [Metacello] Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] > Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1 > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de<mailto: > astares(a)gmx.de><mailto:astares@gmx.de<mailto:astares@gmx.de>>> wrote: > >Thanks Torsten. I wasn't aware of such package. So..for next release I > will > >add a project reference from ConfigurationOfPharo to > >ConfigurationOfHelpSystem > > > >It is not clear for me where Help packages should be hosted. For > >example, ScriptManager host its own Help package in its own repository. > >But Metacello is in the HelpSystem repository. > > The book for Metacello was just a demo - typically I would > expect them to be in the same repo as the code. > I dont want a "docu only" repo - if it is close to the code > it will be easier to know and maintain it. > > > 100% agree. > > Dale, do you think it is worth to take the Help package from HelpSystem > repository and put it in Metacello repo ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto: > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > >

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/5/21 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > Hi, > > How can I export test results into plain ASCII ? > > http://forum.world.st/Fileout-the-test-results-td1301529.html#a1301529 Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

No idea but this would be a useful addition. Stef On May 21, 2010, at 9:21 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > Hi, > > tests result: 9449 run, 9356 passes, 57 expected failures, 16 failures, 20 errors, 0 unexpected passes > > On Linux, squeakvm 4.0.3-2202 > > See attached screenshot. > > How can I export test results into plain ASCII ? > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > <sunit_pharo1.1_11367.png>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1

by Dale Henrichs

You are right ... I didn't know about it ... So the next question is....I can certainly host it in the primary metacello repository...should I add it to my metacello configuraiton as well, so it can be loaded? If so then I can certainly do that ... does the package have any dependencies that I need to be aware of? Dale ________________________________________ From: metacello(a)googlegroups.com [metacello(a)googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:08 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Cc: metacello(a)googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Re: [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1 Hi Dale. Repository: http://www.squeaksource.com/HelpSystem package: Metacello-Help maybe you were not even aware of such package (me neither) hahah cheers mariano On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com<mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com>> wrote: Mariano, I'm not sure I am following ... What Help package are you referring to? Dale ________________________________________ From: metacello(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:metacello@googlegroups.com> [metacello(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:metacello@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck [marianopeck(a)gmail.com<mailto:marianopeck@gmail.com>] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:36 AM To: Pharo Development; metacello(a)googlegroups.com<mailto:metacello@googlegroups.com> Subject: [Metacello] Re: [Pharo-project] [BetaTesting] [ANN] Pharo-1.1-11367-Beta1dev10.05.1 On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de<mailto:astares@gmx.de><mailto:astares@gmx.de<mailto:astares@gmx.de>>> wrote: >Thanks Torsten. I wasn't aware of such package. So..for next release I will >add a project reference from ConfigurationOfPharo to >ConfigurationOfHelpSystem >It is not clear for me where Help packages should be hosted. For >example, ScriptManager host its own Help package in its own repository. >But Metacello is in the HelpSystem repository. The book for Metacello was just a demo - typically I would expect them to be in the same repo as the code. I dont want a "docu only" repo - if it is close to the code it will be easier to know and maintain it. 100% agree. Dale, do you think it is worth to take the Help package from HelpSystem repository and put it in Metacello repo ? _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 21, 2010