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[Pharo-project] Remove ParagraphEditor

by Guillermo Polito

Hi! I've prepared a changeset where there are the following changes - replace ParagraphEditor by SmalltalkEditor - replace TextMorphEditor by SmalltalkEditor or TextEditor where it corresponds(or I suppose so) - some changes in SmalltalkEditor and some classes like Workspace, Inspector, ObjectExplorer... following the current versions of them in CUIS - lazy inicialization of keybindings in SmalltalkEditor and TextEditor - removal of ParagraphEditor and TextEditor I'm a little scared to submit this change to the inbox because I would like more people to try it... To install it you have to close every window, open the File browser, install the changeset and close the filebrowser, because if not there may remain references to AnObsoleteParagraphEditor. Cheers!

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] little pictures of you :)

by laurent laffont

I will have some free time tomorrow evening, so I can try to create a page on the website. Send me a photo and present yourself, suggestions: - what you are working on with Pharo - your enterprise + link - link to your blog / twitter / .... - packages / app you have created or contributed. Cheers, Laurent Laffont 2010/8/11 Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ MartÃnez <miguel.coba(a)gmail.com> > El miÃ©, 11-08-2010 a las 14:09 +0200, laurent laffont escribiÃ³: > > +1 to pictures in website. > > > > +1 to pictures in website > -1 to facebook or external sites, but... > > maybe gravatar.com could be used > > Cheers > > Laurent > > > > > > 2010/8/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > +1 to pictures in website > > -1 to facebook. I really have social netwroks and I won't > > subscribe. Maybe it is just me, buy maybe there are more > > > > But I really agree it is cool to have other's face. It was > > funny in ESUG or London Camp Smalltalk to recognize people you > > receive millions of mail but you didn't know evne his face > > hahhaha > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Hilaire Fernandes > > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > No, it forces you to get in this things. > > > > Hilaire > > > > Le 11/08/2010 13:27, Adrian Lienhard a Ã©crit : > > > > > Wouldn't Facebook do exactly this? > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:47 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > > > >> Hi guys > > >> > > >> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > > >> but I would love to have some pictures of you > > because this is not that fun to talk daily with people > > >> when we do not even know their faces so we could > > start to build a pharo fun community. > > >> Let me know what you think. > > >> > > >> Stef > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Pharo-project mailing list > > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] new lint rule NoClassComment

by Lukas Renggli

Sure, I will merge it ASAP. Lukas 2010/8/11 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com>: > A proposal for a new lint rule that detect classes with empty comment. > Lukas could you include it to the next version of the refactoring browser ? > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2790 > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] little pictures of you :)

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ MartÃnez

El miÃ©, 11-08-2010 a las 14:09 +0200, laurent laffont escribiÃ³: > +1 to pictures in website. > +1 to pictures in website -1 to facebook or external sites, but... maybe gravatar.com could be used Cheers > Laurent > > > 2010/8/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > +1 to pictures in website > -1 to facebook. I really have social netwroks and I won't > subscribe. Maybe it is just me, buy maybe there are more > > But I really agree it is cool to have other's face. It was > funny in ESUG or London Camp Smalltalk to recognize people you > receive millions of mail but you didn't know evne his face > hahhaha > > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Hilaire Fernandes > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No, it forces you to get in this things. > > Hilaire > > Le 11/08/2010 13:27, Adrian Lienhard a Ã©crit : > > > Wouldn't Facebook do exactly this? > > > > Adrian > > > > On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:47 , StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > >> Hi guys > >> > >> the pharo web site does not support that yet :) > >> but I would love to have some pictures of you > because this is not that fun to talk daily with people > >> when we do not even know their faces so we could > start to build a pharo fun community. > >> Let me know what you think. > >> > >> Stef > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

Aug. 11, 2010

[Pharo-project] new lint rule NoClassComment

by Cyrille Delaunay

A proposal for a new lint rule that detect classes with empty comment. Lukas could you include it to the next version of the refactoring browser ? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2790

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Inter-image communication

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Which ultimately depends on sockets. Hopefully the next pass will support OpenSSL and be adaptable to things like IrDA (by having hooks sufficient to support anything that makes itself look like a socket), and make either robust use of asynchronous operations or OS threads to the point that non-responsive peers or DNS servers never lock the entire image, just the calling process. ConnectionQueue polls for connections - there needs to be either another semaphore, or another job for one that exists, allowing a process to wait until a client connects rather than looping and adding time delays :( Andreas' SSL plugin might be a good starting point or perhaps one part of a good solution?? Testing needs to be brutal, including viciously timed loss of power to network infrastructure. I am not sure if I can do that at work anymore, but I certainly can build an intranet. In fact, I have a really nice "old" machine that I rescued from the gas chamber, and an embedded computer (expected soon) that is part of a beta program and needs to be abused in various creative ways. Between them, I should be able to set up a very nice testing ground for network error handling. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:26 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Inter-image communication rst? RemoteSmalltalk? > > How would I, from one image, tell another image to execute something? > > I searched Google and the Squeak and Pharo lists for: > - "[Pharo|Squeak] inter-image communication" > - "[Pharo|Squeak] script" > > The results included various references to old projects that I never hear > mentioned now, and instructions on how to run code (via a .st as an argument > to the vm command line) when launching an image. > > Thanks. > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Inter-image-communication-tp2320723p2320723.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Instantiating an abstract class

by Alexandre Bergel

> Ok, I'm going slightly off-topic here. But what makes me wonder is that it is > > Behavior>>isAbstractClass > > and not > > Class>>isAbstractClass Good point. Someone else agree with this change? If yes, I do it. > And wouldn't it than be > > Class>>basicNew > self isAbstractClass ifTrue: [ self error: 'An abstract class cannot be instantiated' ]. > ^ super basicNew > > if you want to avoid abstract classes being instantiated? Not to forget basicNew: The whole mailing list will express its wrath if you do this. > Just a question. Ah, it was just a question. Fine then :-) Alexandre > > Norbert > >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2010, Stanislav Paskalev <kshorg(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> And it will also require modifying the Pharo by Example book that says >>>> that there's nothing wrong with instantiating abstract classes and >>>> that there is no *abstract* class marker in this sense, only abstract >>>> methods. >>>> >>>> So, why would try to convert Pharo to another language ? >>>> >>>> Stanislav Paskalev >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Just wondering. What about redefining new into: >>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> Behavior>>new >>>>> "Answer a new initialized instance of the receiver (which is a class) with no indexable variables. Fail if the class is indexable." >>>>> self isAbstractClass ifTrue: [ self error: 'An abstract class cannot be instantiated' ]. >>>>> ^ self basicNew initialize >>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>> >>>>> This may break a lot of code however. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Poll: missing libraries to support business

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:40 PM, GermÃ¡n Arduino <garduino(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano: > > I was thinking the same (or use the already existing "Ideas" page). But I > can't > modify nor create new pages. > > yes, maybe you are right. I forgot about that wiki page. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/IdeasToImplement It seems that first it needs an update as some things have already been done ;) > Cheers. > > > 2010/8/10 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > It would be nice of someone can collect aaaaall these ideas, and the > future > > ideas that derive from the different threads, and put them together > > somewhere. I am not sure if a issue is the best approach. > > > > I would create a wiki page where all that information is written in kind > of > > bullet. With that, we have a big lists of projects of interest. Maybe > people > > is interested in doing a project maybe for university, master, or maybe > > because it just have time. > > > > For each bullet we can also link to the thread of discussion for example. > > This list will be a kind of wishlist for Pharo. > > > > Hopefully someone has time to write this down... > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Hilaire Fernandes > > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> - loading binary code in an existging Pharo installation. It will ease > >> to make very tiny Pharo application. Useful for plateform with limited > >> resources. > >> > >> Hilaire > >> > >> Le 10/08/2010 14:37, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : > >> > Philippe wrote: > >> >> Rather than imagining what problems non-users could have I'd focus on > >> >> what problems existing users have. Instead of building libraries that > >> >> you'll have to maintain forever I'd focus in infrastructure that > allows > >> >> users to write the libraries they need themselves. > >> > > >> >> Executive summary: > >> >> - HTTP(S) > >> >> - SqueakDBX > >> >> - VM/Cog/kernel/FFI/Alien > >> > > >> > - making it possible to use all the memory in my system: 64 bit. > >> > > >> > Stephan > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo benchmarks ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2010/8/11 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com> > Hello, > > We are looking for any kind of benchmark in pharo, we would like to include > such benchmarks in a reporting system for Pharo. > > Hi. This is an EXCELLENT idea and I really really hope you can make it. I would love to have an addon to Hudson that not only runs the tets, but also the benchmarks. With this, we can see the impact of every system update. At least, what we cover with the benchmarks. What I know is this: http://map.squeak.org/package/3273bc19-5799-4f0d-b303-acff5ffab9e6 http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemBenchmarks They probably won't work out of the box in Pharo but with some changes they may work. I don't know. But Marcus Denker or Adrian may help you much more than me. Cheers Mariano > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >

Aug. 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Instantiating an abstract class

by Lukas Renggli

On Wednesday, August 11, 2010, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > >> Yes please don't add that. > > This is not my intention. But I just discovered some bugs in my test because I instantiated a class that shouldn't be instantiated since it is abstract. > If now we close our eyes and dream about a clean oo language. Will forbidding to instantiate an abstract class a wished feature? > > > I am also against of this change. We should continue to have flexible language and not to convert this in Java. In addition, I MAY want to instantiate Abstract classes. > Sometime you are doing prototypes, or TDD, and you want to instantiate an object of an abstract class. Even if you have a subclassResponsability. I don't care. Maybe I am not testing that right now, nor showing that to my client. > > I think the correct way to detect your kind of problems is with Lint. If it is not already done, maybe it could be added. There is a rule that checks for that, I think it is called "refers to abstract class". I don't have an image at hand to verify. It could be extended to take a declaration like #isAbstractClass into account. Lukaz > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > Cheers, > Alexandre > >> >> On Wednesday, August 11, 2010, Stanislav Paskalev <kshorg(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> And it will also require modifying the Pharo by Example book that says >>> that there's nothing wrong with instantiating abstract classes and >>> that there is no *abstract* class marker in this sense, only abstract >>> methods. >>> >>> So, why would try to convert Pharo to another language ? >>> >>> Stanislav Paskalev >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Just wondering. What about redefining new into: >>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>> Behavior>>new >>>> Â Â Â Â "Answer a new initialized instance of the receiver (which is a class) with no indexable variables. Fail if the class is indexable." >>>> Â Â Â Â self isAbstractClass ifTrue: [ self error: 'An abstract class cannot be instantiated' ]. >>>> Â Â Â Â ^ self basicNew initialize >>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>> >>>> This may break a lot of code however. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 11, 2010