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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Experimental Cocoa OS-X based Squeak Cog JIT VM 5.8b4.
by Tudor Girba
Hi,
Interesting read, but I am still not sure to understand the
implications, so let me ask you another question: is there a way to
make use of OpenGL by generating vector graphics from within Pharo?
I am particularly interested if there are ways to improve
visualization tools like Mondrian to make it use the hardware (and
thus maybe have reasonable speed when drawing complex and maybe
aliased graphs).
Cheers,
Doru
On 2 Sep 2010, at 01:19, John M McIntosh wrote:
>
> On 2010-08-29, at 11:10 AM, stephane ducasse wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> What I want to understand is what does it means to use open/GL.
>> This means that you use open/GL to implement the primitive?
>> Now I thought that opengl was more vector graphics than bitblt so
>> how does it fit together.
>> Is it because the mac UI is opengl based too?
>>
>> Stef
>
> Ok let me give you some background, then talk about open/GL
>
> The Squeak drawing logic invokes:
> http://isqueak.org/displayioShowDisplay
>
> Which is to say copy this rectangle of data from the Squeak Display
> Oops data pointer to something that visually shows the user what is
> going on,
> since drawing can require a few Smalltalk based calculations
> resulting in draw events to compose a final image then we also have,
>
> http://isqueak.org/ioForceDisplayUpdate
>
> To help the process a bit by allowing the drawing subsystem to
> compose the bits until we are done, then perform the expensive step
> of visualization.
>
> In general the displayioShowDisplay is really fast but the
> ioForceDisplayUpdate is slow, displayioShowDisplay may not show the
> bits, but displayioShowDisplay may now (or later... )
>
> Depending on which VM source code (version and platform dependent)
> you may find that ioForceDisplayUpdate does nothing, or a operating
> system flush is
> done to the hardware on every displayioShowDisplay.
>
> Where you can see this issue is if you try.
>
> Transcript cr;show:
> [| b |
> b _ Pen new.
> Display fillWhite.
> b place:(Display boundingBox bottomLeft).
> b hilbert: 9 side: 2
> ] timeToRun.
> Display restore.
>
> If this crawls, like taking 30 seconds, then the implementation is
> flushing every bit draw to the operating system.
> Well or if you don't see the bits then maybe neither
> displayioShowDisplay or ioForceDisplayUpdate does any flushing, and
> all you see is the Display restore results.
>
> Now just to make life harder for the VM implementor the Smaltalk
> code might not call ioForceDisplayUpdate. Then the VM has to do the
> ioForceDisplayUpdate
> internally in order not to leave bit's dangling. How this is done
> again is different from VM to VM. Usually this shows up as a double
> menu selection highlight.
>
> For the 4.2.x series of Macintosh VM we would trigger a operating
> system flush if more than 20 ms (a settable value) had elapsed, and
> I did nothing for ioForceDisplayUpdate.
>
> But I change this in 5.x and for the iPhone to make
> ioForceDisplayUpdate the trigger, with a timer that pops if a
> ioForceDisplayUpdate is not done within 20ms of the last executed
> displayioShowDisplay.
>
> Now about Open/GL, in the past for os-x carbon VM 4.2.X and earlier
> we used System 7.5.x technology to draw bits, which was quickdraw
> and quickdraw quartz.
>
> When I moved the logic to the iPhone that is not supported
> technology, because of the interesting drawing logic on the iPhone
> it took 6 attempts and a long
> chat with a graphics engineer at Apple. That resulted in using Core
> Animation to divide the screen into 16 tiles so when a draw happens
> we note which Tile(s) are dirty
> based on the rectangle intersections, then on the
> ioForceDisplayUpdate we generate images for each of the dirty tiles
> from the Display Oops and tell Core Animation
> redraw the new tiles.
>
> Bert said this seemed slow on OS-X.
>
> At this point the next step in our OS-X/iOS drawing path is drop one
> step lower down and consider Open/GL.
>
> I must admit I've not done any open/GL work before so it was a
> learning opportunity.
>
> Although you think of Open/GL as a vector based graphic language it
> does support what is know as Textures.
>
> So instead of providing vectors, you supply bits. So a chunk of
> data, stating it's RGB, at this depth and pixel layout and size, etc
> make a chunk of screen glow that is showing the open/GL viewport.
>
> Now there are lots of restrictions but the GPUs and drivers have
> become more friendly so you can supply arbitrary sized rectangles,
> this was at one time slow, but GPUs have become extremely fast, so
> slow is fast...
>
> In fact on the mac you can supply a arbitrary sized rectangle taken
> from a much larger rectangle of data, which fits perfectly into the
> displayioShowDisplay logic.
>
> The only hassle is that you need to figure out how the flush should
> work. So after 3 days of intense effort I can say the algorithm is...
>
>
> displayioShowDisplay
>
> collects the union of the rectangles that are being drawn. Nothing
> more happens... It's pointless to do the glTexImage2D here because
> 'b hilbert: 9 side: 2' will kill you.
> Mind we do still watch for a missing ioForceDisplayUpdate.
>
> ioForceDisplayUpdate
>
> Then takes the union of the rectangles, set a GL viewpoint, and
> does the glTexImage2D based on figuring out the start point of the
> top/left pixel of the rectangle to draw,
> then setups up the coordinate system and finally flush the data.
>
> glViewport( subRect.origin.x,subRect.origin.y,
> subRect.size.width,subRect.size.height );
>
> char *subimg = ((char*)lastBitsIndex) + (unsigned int)
> (subRect.origin.x + (r.size.height-subRect.origin.y-
> subRect.size.height)*r.size.width)*4;
> glTexImage2D( GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, 0, GL_RGBA,
> subRect.size.width, subRect.size.height, 0, GL_BGRA,
> GL_UNSIGNED_INT_8_8_8_8_REV, subimg );
>
> glBegin(GL_QUADS); // The -1 is so we flip the coordinate system
> as os-x and squeak have different views of where (0,0) is...
> glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f);
> glVertex2f(-1.0f, 1.0f);
> glTexCoord2f(0.0f, subRect.origin.x.size.height);
> glVertex2f(-1.0f, -1.0f);
> glTexCoord2f(subRect.origin.x.size.width,
> subRect.origin.x.size.height);
> glVertex2f(1.0f, -1.0f);
> glTexCoord2f(subRect.origin.x.size.width, 0.0f);
> glVertex2f(1.0f, 1.0f);
> glEnd();
>
> glFlush() // Ask the hardware to draw this stuff, don't use the
> more aggressive glFinish()
> reset the union of draw rectangles.
>
> Hint
> (a) Oddly some people feel they should re-configure the open/GL
> graphic context on *every* draw cycle, why?
> (b) People don't read the Apple guidebooks for best practices for
> doing glTexImage2D, this I know based on Google searches using
> certain Apple open/GL extension keywords.
>
> Notes:
>
> This assumes the Squeak display is 32 bits, other resolutions are an
> exercise for the reader.
> Actually if the row width is a multiple of 32 bytes then on the Mac
> things are *much* faster and no copy is made. This is enforced in
> 5.7b5 by ensuring window size is divisible by 8.
>
> When the graphic context is setup when the window is built there is
> a bunch of cmds to execute, one important one is
> glPixelStorei( GL_UNPACK_ROW_LENGTH, self.frame.size.width );
> and when the window is resized there are a few things to do to
> indicate how the context has changed.
>
> Some platforms like the iPhone might need to do this instead because
> it doesn't support the GL extension GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB
>
> glTexImage2D( GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, GL_RGBA, subRect.size.width,
> subRect.size.height, 0, GL_RGBA, GL_UNSIGNED_INT_8_8_8_8_REV, NULL );
>
> for( int y = 0; y < subRect.size.height; y++ )
> {
> char *row = ((char*)lastBitsIndex) + ((y +
> subRect.origin.y)*subRect.size.width + subRect.origin.x) * 4;
> glTexSubImage2D( GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, 0, y, subRect.size.width, 1,
> GL_RGBA, GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE, row );
> }
>
>
>
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Re: [Pharo-project] TextLint questions and feedback
by Miguel Enrique Cobá MartÃnez
El jue, 02-09-2010 a las 17:36 +0200, Mariano Martinez Peck escribió:
>
>
> 2010/9/2 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>
> Wow, but your latex has " \'e " two times, and it only breaks
> in the first one. Maybe you can reproduce it with a simpler
> case.
>
>
> You are a genious ;)
> Sorry for the noise, this one was my fault.....I was sure I was using
> \'e . When I past it here, I took the fixed one, but I seems I was
> using é in the first one (the one that broke up).
>
> Anyway, is it normal to break of I have it as "é" ?
>
unless you use
usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc}
at the beginning of your doc. so you can input every posible accented
char.
http://miguel.leugim.com.mx/index.php/2008/05/18/latex2html-and-utf8-encodi…
>
>
> 2010/9/2 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>
>
> Sorry, I forgot another bug. A piece of my latex is
> like this:
>
> \authorinfo{
> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
> }{
> $^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe /
> Universit\'e Lille 1 \\
> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des
> Mines de Douai
> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com,
> \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr,\\
> \{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
> \maketitle
>
>
> I don't know why...but once I saved the file, the
> image "frezzed" for a long time, and then, if finished
> and that part was replaced by this:
>
>
> \authorinfo{
> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
> }{
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de Lille 1 \\
> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des
> Mines de Douai
> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com,
> \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr,\\
> \{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
> \maketitle
>
>
> So...it seems something related to encoding...but no
> idea...
>
> thanks
>
> mariano
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
> <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. First, please let me know if this is the
> correct place to talk about TextLint. I've
> just used for one paper I am writing and I
> have some questions/feedback. I am using the
> one click image.
>
> 1) The "An Rule" could be a little more smart
> and detects commands. For example, in my latex
> I have " an \emph{inner object}" and that was
> detected by the rule, althought I shouldn't.
> So...detecting the slash and ignore what it
> surrounded by {} would be nice for this rule.
>
> 2) When I edit the code inside TextLint and I
> save it, two bad things happens:
> 2.a) I lost focus of the text, as it
> moves when it finishing saving. The line I
> edited goes to the end of the text area. It
> would be great if nothing moves nor to loose
> focus when saving.
> 2.b) sometimes (I cannot reproduce) the
> order of the rules changes...and this is not
> good because I was going in order, one by one,
> and suddenly they are re-ordered. Maybe you
> are using a Set for that? using a simple
> OrderedCollection could help.
>
> 3) If you edit the text (and it differs in the
> amount of characters), and DO NOT save it, the
> following color highlighting are moved. It
> seems you keep the position in the file, and
> until it is saved, rules results are pointing
> to "unupdated" file. Of course, when I save
> the file, they are correct. I guess this is
> from a performance point of view, but maybe
> you have a little hack to do and make it
> better.
>
> 4) The rule "no white space before punctuation
> mark" showed me things I didn't understand.
> For example, it says this line there is a
> "," (comma) :
>
> \item[ Shared object ] In the case of the
> \emph{shared objects}, it is almost the same
> as in the \emph{inner objects}. An .....
>
> 5) Rules comments clearer. For example, when
> you say "Avoid using a lot, it weakens the
> sentence" It would be better to put "Avoid
> using "a lot", it weakens the sentence"
> or "Avoid using *a lot*, it weakens the
> sentence"
> or something to clearly mark the words not to
> use. Because sometimes the words are confused
> with the context. Or this one:
>
> "After an only words beginning with a vowel
> are allowed. "
> should be "After "an" only words beginning
> with a vowel are allowed."
>
> 6) For the rules of long sentences/paragraph
> it would be nice to ignore \fotenote{}
>
> 7) Maybe this link is of interest for you:
> http://matt.might.net/articles/shell-scripts-for-passive-voice-weasel-words…
>
> Apart from all these things, the tool is very
> useful and I like it.
>
> thanks
>
> Mariano
>
>
>
>
>
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Miguel Cobá
http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] TextLint questions and feedback
by Mariano Martinez Peck
2010/9/2 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>
> Wow, but your latex has " \'e " two times, and it only breaks in the first
> one. Maybe you can reproduce it with a simpler case.
>
>
You are a genious ;)
Sorry for the noise, this one was my fault.....I was sure I was using \'e .
When I past it here, I took the fixed one, but I seems I was using é in the
first one (the one that broke up).
Anyway, is it normal to break of I have it as "é" ?
> 2010/9/2 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>
>
>> Sorry, I forgot another bug. A piece of my latex is like this:
>>
>> \authorinfo{
>> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
>> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
>> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
>> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
>> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
>> }{
>> $^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe / Universit\'e Lille 1
>> \\
>> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des Mines de Douai
>> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com, \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr
>> ,\\\{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
>> \maketitle
>>
>>
>> I don't know why...but once I saved the file, the image "frezzed" for a
>> long time, and then, if finished and that part was replaced by this:
>>
>>
>> \authorinfo{
>> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
>> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
>> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
>> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
>> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
>> }{
>> $^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe /
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>> de Lille 1 \\
>> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des Mines de Douai
>> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com, \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr
>> ,\\\{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
>> \maketitle
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>> So...it seems something related to encoding...but no idea...
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> mariano
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
>> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi. First, please let me know if this is the correct place to talk about
>>> TextLint. I've just used for one paper I am writing and I have some
>>> questions/feedback. I am using the one click image.
>>>
>>> 1) The "An Rule" could be a little more smart and detects commands. For
>>> example, in my latex I have " an \emph{inner object}" and that was detected
>>> by the rule, althought I shouldn't. So...detecting the slash and ignore what
>>> it surrounded by {} would be nice for this rule.
>>>
>>> 2) When I edit the code inside TextLint and I save it, two bad things
>>> happens:
>>> 2.a) I lost focus of the text, as it moves when it finishing
>>> saving. The line I edited goes to the end of the text area. It would be
>>> great if nothing moves nor to loose focus when saving.
>>> 2.b) sometimes (I cannot reproduce) the order of the rules
>>> changes...and this is not good because I was going in order, one by one, and
>>> suddenly they are re-ordered. Maybe you are using a Set for that? using a
>>> simple OrderedCollection could help.
>>>
>>> 3) If you edit the text (and it differs in the amount of characters), and
>>> DO NOT save it, the following color highlighting are moved. It seems you
>>> keep the position in the file, and until it is saved, rules results are
>>> pointing to "unupdated" file. Of course, when I save the file, they are
>>> correct. I guess this is from a performance point of view, but maybe you
>>> have a little hack to do and make it better.
>>>
>>> 4) The rule "no white space before punctuation mark" showed me things I
>>> didn't understand. For example, it says this line there is a "," (comma) :
>>>
>>> \item[ Shared object ] In the case of the \emph{shared objects}, it is
>>> almost the same as in the \emph{inner objects}. An .....
>>>
>>> 5) Rules comments clearer. For example, when you say "Avoid using a lot,
>>> it weakens the sentence" It would be better to put "Avoid using "a lot", it
>>> weakens the sentence"
>>> or "Avoid using *a lot*, it weakens the sentence"
>>> or something to clearly mark the words not to use. Because sometimes the
>>> words are confused with the context. Or this one:
>>>
>>> "After an only words beginning with a vowel are allowed. "
>>> should be "After "an" only words beginning with a vowel are allowed."
>>>
>>> 6) For the rules of long sentences/paragraph it would be nice to ignore
>>> \fotenote{}
>>>
>>> 7) Maybe this link is of interest for you:
>>> http://matt.might.net/articles/shell-scripts-for-passive-voice-weasel-words…
>>>
>>> Apart from all these things, the tool is very useful and I like it.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Mariano
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] Re: load moose in Pharo1.2
by Tudor Girba
I was more considering the issue from a transitory point of view. But,
indeed, given that 1.1 is out, there is no point in being backward
compatible anymore.
Cheers,
Doru
On 2 Sep 2010, at 16:51, Guillermo Polito wrote:
> But, that's why we have metacello configs? don't we? We have to use
> a specific version for 1.1 and another one for 1.2.
>
> If we want to download the lastVersion always, It's not going to
> work never :).
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> No, because if you remove it you break 1.1. I would suggest to just
> rename those variables.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2010, at 16:43, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
>
> There is already an issue for that:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2734&q=PluggableShoutMorph&…
>
> Should we (I) remove those variables from PluggableShoutMorph?
>
> 2010/9/2 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com>
> Now I have exactly the same problem with 'PluggableShoutMorph' in
> the package Shout (This package is loaded with
> ConfigurationOfPetitParser). PluggableShoutMorph (like
> MOEaselTextEditor) declare the two instance variables 'styler' and
> 'unstyledAcceptText' which are already declared in the superclass
> PluggableTextMorph (in Pharo 1.2). Maybe those variable have been
> integrated in the superclass for pharo 1.2 and are no longer
> usefull ? Anyone know?
>
> 2010/9/2 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu>
>
> Strange indeed. This method is apparently never called. This is
> related somehow to the completion (which does not work for me. I
> will contact Lukas).
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 2 Sep 2010, at 08:22, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
>
> > What is strange, is that there is only one reference to
> unstyledAcceptText, without affecting it a value.
> >
> > 2010/9/2 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com>
> > No, same problem now with 'unstyledAcceptText'
> >
> >
> > 2010/9/2 Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>
> > And does the loading work now?
> >
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On 2 Sep 2010, at 13:08, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
> >
> > done
> >
> > 2010/9/2 Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>
> > Yes, please rename it to shoutStyler.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2 Sep 2010, at 12:25, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
> >
> > So that means that a 'styler' instance variable has been defined
> in PluggableTextMorph between pharo 1.1 and Pharo 1.2? Should we
> rename the Mondrian instance variable?
> >
> > 2010/9/2 Cyrille Delaunay <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com>
> > So a solution is to load in a version of OmniBrowser that is
> compatible with 1.2, before loading moose:
> >
> > (ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser project version: '1.1-baseline') load.
> >
> > Now, I have another error:
> > The class MOEaselTextEditor from Mondrian-Easel re-declare the
> instance variable 'styler', which is already defined in its
> superclass PluggableTextMorph.
> >
> > 2010/9/1 Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com>
> >
> > Metacello is loading an ancient version of OB. References to
> > Preferences have been removed a long time ago. However there is
> still
> > a problem with the highlighting in Pharo 1.2. You only get a working
> > environment if you do not load the package OB-Shout.
> >
> > Lukas
> >
> > On 1 September 2010 16:10, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Cyrille,
> > >
> > > That means that OB needs to be fixed :). Could you raise the
> issue on the
> > > pharo mailing list?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1 Sep 2010, at 14:48, Cyrille Delaunay wrote:
> > >
> > >> When I try with the configuration, I get an error when loading
> the class
> > >> OBMercuryPanel (from the package OB-Standard, that seems to be
> loaded with
> > >> ConfigurationOfMetacello):
> > >> The initialize method is using the old class
> "Preferences" (that is no
> > >> longer present in Pharo 1.2).
> > >>
> > >> 2010/9/1 Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com>
> > >> What do you mean by script? Did you try with the configuration?
> > >>
> > >> Doru
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:12, Cyrille Delaunay
> <cy.delaunay(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hello,
> > >> > Is moose loadable in Pharo 1.2 ? Is there a special script
> somwhere to
> > >> > that?
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Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] TextLint questions and feedback
by Guillermo Polito
Wow, but your latex has " \'e " two times, and it only breaks in the first
one. Maybe you can reproduce it with a simpler case.
2010/9/2 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>
> Sorry, I forgot another bug. A piece of my latex is like this:
>
> \authorinfo{
> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
> }{
> $^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe / Universit\'e Lille 1
> \\
> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des Mines de Douai
> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com, \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr
> ,\\\{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
> \maketitle
>
>
> I don't know why...but once I saved the file, the image "frezzed" for a
> long time, and then, if finished and that part was replaced by this:
>
>
> \authorinfo{
> Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
> Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
> Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
> St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
> Luc Fabresse\affEMD
> }{
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> de Lille 1 \\
> $^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des Mines de Douai
> }{marianopeck(a)gmail.com, \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr
> ,\\\{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
> \maketitle
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> So...it seems something related to encoding...but no idea...
>
> thanks
>
> mariano
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <
> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi. First, please let me know if this is the correct place to talk about
>> TextLint. I've just used for one paper I am writing and I have some
>> questions/feedback. I am using the one click image.
>>
>> 1) The "An Rule" could be a little more smart and detects commands. For
>> example, in my latex I have " an \emph{inner object}" and that was detected
>> by the rule, althought I shouldn't. So...detecting the slash and ignore what
>> it surrounded by {} would be nice for this rule.
>>
>> 2) When I edit the code inside TextLint and I save it, two bad things
>> happens:
>> 2.a) I lost focus of the text, as it moves when it finishing saving.
>> The line I edited goes to the end of the text area. It would be great if
>> nothing moves nor to loose focus when saving.
>> 2.b) sometimes (I cannot reproduce) the order of the rules
>> changes...and this is not good because I was going in order, one by one, and
>> suddenly they are re-ordered. Maybe you are using a Set for that? using a
>> simple OrderedCollection could help.
>>
>> 3) If you edit the text (and it differs in the amount of characters), and
>> DO NOT save it, the following color highlighting are moved. It seems you
>> keep the position in the file, and until it is saved, rules results are
>> pointing to "unupdated" file. Of course, when I save the file, they are
>> correct. I guess this is from a performance point of view, but maybe you
>> have a little hack to do and make it better.
>>
>> 4) The rule "no white space before punctuation mark" showed me things I
>> didn't understand. For example, it says this line there is a "," (comma) :
>>
>> \item[ Shared object ] In the case of the \emph{shared objects}, it is
>> almost the same as in the \emph{inner objects}. An .....
>>
>> 5) Rules comments clearer. For example, when you say "Avoid using a lot,
>> it weakens the sentence" It would be better to put "Avoid using "a lot", it
>> weakens the sentence"
>> or "Avoid using *a lot*, it weakens the sentence"
>> or something to clearly mark the words not to use. Because sometimes the
>> words are confused with the context. Or this one:
>>
>> "After an only words beginning with a vowel are allowed. "
>> should be "After "an" only words beginning with a vowel are allowed."
>>
>> 6) For the rules of long sentences/paragraph it would be nice to ignore
>> \fotenote{}
>>
>> 7) Maybe this link is of interest for you:
>> http://matt.might.net/articles/shell-scripts-for-passive-voice-weasel-words…
>>
>> Apart from all these things, the tool is very useful and I like it.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mariano
>>
>>
>>
>
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Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] seaside3+pharo1.1+cog?
by Mariano Martinez Peck
2010/9/2 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>
>
> On Sep 2, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I wonder if this combination is working... I need to do a quick prototype
> and I want to make it using this combination.
> > I know there were some problems with seaside+cog... but maybe they are
> fixed now :)
> >
>
> You need to add a changeset...
>
>
>
>
> We will do a 1.1.1 soon with this and other fixes
>
And a One Click with Cog binaries!
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>
>
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>
Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] seaside3+pharo1.1+cog?
by Marcus Denker
On Sep 2, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
> Hi,
> I wonder if this combination is working... I need to do a quick prototype and I want to make it using this combination.
> I know there were some problems with seaside+cog... but maybe they are fixed now :)
>
You need to add a changeset...
We will do a 1.1.1 soon with this and other fixes
Marcus
--
Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] TextLint questions and feedback
by Mariano Martinez Peck
Sorry, I forgot another bug. A piece of my latex is like this:
\authorinfo{
Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
Luc Fabresse\affEMD
}{
$^1$RMoD Project-Team, Inria Lille--Nord Europe / Universit\'e Lille 1
\\
$^2$Universit\'e Lille Nord de France, Ecole des Mines de Douai
}{marianopeck(a)gmail.com, \{stephane.ducasse,marcus.denker\}(a)inria.fr
,\\\{noury.bouraqadi,luc.fabresse\}(a)mines-douai.fr}
\maketitle
I don't know why...but once I saved the file, the image "frezzed" for a long
time, and then, if finished and that part was replaced by this:
\authorinfo{
Mariano Martinez Peck\affINRIA\affEMD \and
Noury Bouraqadi\affEMD \and
Marcus Denker\affINRIA \and
St\'ephane Ducasse\affINRIA \and
Luc Fabresse\affEMD
}{
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So...it seems something related to encoding...but no idea...
thanks
mariano
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi. First, please let me know if this is the correct place to talk about
> TextLint. I've just used for one paper I am writing and I have some
> questions/feedback. I am using the one click image.
>
> 1) The "An Rule" could be a little more smart and detects commands. For
> example, in my latex I have " an \emph{inner object}" and that was detected
> by the rule, althought I shouldn't. So...detecting the slash and ignore what
> it surrounded by {} would be nice for this rule.
>
> 2) When I edit the code inside TextLint and I save it, two bad things
> happens:
> 2.a) I lost focus of the text, as it moves when it finishing saving.
> The line I edited goes to the end of the text area. It would be great if
> nothing moves nor to loose focus when saving.
> 2.b) sometimes (I cannot reproduce) the order of the rules
> changes...and this is not good because I was going in order, one by one, and
> suddenly they are re-ordered. Maybe you are using a Set for that? using a
> simple OrderedCollection could help.
>
> 3) If you edit the text (and it differs in the amount of characters), and
> DO NOT save it, the following color highlighting are moved. It seems you
> keep the position in the file, and until it is saved, rules results are
> pointing to "unupdated" file. Of course, when I save the file, they are
> correct. I guess this is from a performance point of view, but maybe you
> have a little hack to do and make it better.
>
> 4) The rule "no white space before punctuation mark" showed me things I
> didn't understand. For example, it says this line there is a "," (comma) :
>
> \item[ Shared object ] In the case of the \emph{shared objects}, it is
> almost the same as in the \emph{inner objects}. An .....
>
> 5) Rules comments clearer. For example, when you say "Avoid using a lot, it
> weakens the sentence" It would be better to put "Avoid using "a lot", it
> weakens the sentence"
> or "Avoid using *a lot*, it weakens the sentence"
> or something to clearly mark the words not to use. Because sometimes the
> words are confused with the context. Or this one:
>
> "After an only words beginning with a vowel are allowed. "
> should be "After "an" only words beginning with a vowel are allowed."
>
> 6) For the rules of long sentences/paragraph it would be nice to ignore
> \fotenote{}
>
> 7) Maybe this link is of interest for you:
> http://matt.might.net/articles/shell-scripts-for-passive-voice-weasel-words…
>
> Apart from all these things, the tool is very useful and I like it.
>
> thanks
>
> Mariano
>
>
>
Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] seaside3+pharo1.1+cog?
by Philippe Marschall
On 09/02/2010 04:31 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
> Hi,
> I wonder if this combination is working... I need to do a quick
> prototype and I want to make it using this combination.
> I know there were some problems with seaside+cog... but maybe they are
> fixed now :)
Seems to be working just fine, *crosses fingers*.
Cheers
Philippe
Sept. 2, 2010
Re: [Pharo-project] Object visitor
by Alexandre Bergel
Yes.
Visitor is a convenient pattern to perform a computation over each element of a recursive data structure.
This pattern works well for trees. You need to pay attention to cycle when using it on a graph. This might be expensive if you have a large graph and you use a set to keep track of the element you run over.
Do you want to do this on any object of the image?
Alexandre
On 2 Sep 2010, at 10:36, Martin Dias wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We want to do some processing over the graph of object references.
>
> Do you recommend an implementation of visitor pattern to iterate object instance variables?
>
> Best regards,
> Martin and Tristan
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