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Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalks 2010 - Declared as Important Province Event

by Alexandre Bergel

> I hope someday i'll have a chance to visit it. Yes! Let's hope it will happen in 2011! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalks 2010 - Declared as Important Province Event

by Igor Stasenko

Guys, tell me the secret, why smalltalk is so popular in Argentina? :) I can only guess that it somehow related to mentality of people living there. I hope someday i'll have a chance to visit it. On 28 September 2010 15:45, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > Hernan, this is really cool. > I hope Smalltalk will bootstrap soon in Chile. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 27 Sep 2010, at 20:46, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: > >> Hi, >> Â we just wanted to share with you that Smalltalks 2010 (the 4th Argentinean Smalltalk conference) has been declare of "public interest" at the Entre Rios province (where the city of Concepcion del Uruguay is and where the conference is going to be held). >> Â We are very happy and proud of such recognition to Smalltalk and our community!! >> Â We hope to see you there! >> >> Hernan. >> >> PS: Attached is the statement... although, it is is Spanish :-) >> >> <Nota ACTIER Smalltalk declaraciÃ³n de InterÃ©s.pdf>_______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] MorphoPhysics for both Pharo and Squeak

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 September 2010 16:15, HwaJong Oh <daliot.oh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Compatibility fix made on MorphoPhysics. It can now be loaded on both Squeak > and Pharo. Before this fix, it was only for Squeak only. > > Here is the installation instruction. > > 1. install LazyRabbit : Â http://www.squeaksource.com/LazyRabbit.html > 2. install MorphoPhysics : Â http://www.squeaksource.com/MorphoPhysics.html > Â (no need to load MorphoPhysicsEtoyPlugin , MorphoPhysicsSeasidePlugin. > MorphoPhysics is good enough) > 3. open a workspace, and follow the example method MindMapMP class >> > esug2010PresentationExample > I think your project would be a good addition to FunSqueak image. Edgar? > > Sorry for not using Metacello. I will learn to use it later. > > -HwaJong Oh- > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/MorphoPhysics-for-both-Pharo-and-Squeak-tp2717184p271… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello Configuration Browser?

by Simon Denier

On 28 sept. 2010, at 15:14, Guillermo Polito wrote: > Okok, I saw there already exists a Configuration browser :P. But it can be reaally improved. Which one are you talking about? The one in 1.2? Or on Squeaksource? There have been multiple efforts (GTMetaceller, MooseDevBrowser...) already to try and see what we would like to do in a browser. But there are also some performance issues with Metacello right now, which makes it impractical to browser config. which Dale and Alex have started to tackle them. Anyway, the latest effort (started during ESUG) is there: it is basically a rewrite of what have been done in the tools above (with still some missing parts). MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloBrowser' user: '' password: '' Note, it requires Glamour and is more of a testbed than a fully-supported tool for now. > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm always reading people saying that metacello configurations are some kind of... overdesign. So, maybe we need a tool (or to modify monticello browser) wich allow us to: > > - know wich packages are core and dev. Sometimes using a dev image, I write things depending on Dev packages and I don't realize it. > - create automatically or propose configurations depending on the actual state of the packages. > - browse configurations nicely :). It's a new concept, we need a nice tool to support it. > > Maybe if the configs are easily created, we can have more of them, and we will be no longer so lazy. > > Cheers, > Guille > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Simon

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] NativeBoost meets Linux

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 September 2010 16:14, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 September 2010 14:27, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: >> Sig, >> >> That's kinda scary coming from someone who thinks in assembly instructions :) Â I generally have resorted to tracing when debugging code in my libraries. Â So far, DebugView has been hard to beat for that. Â Not the same level, I realize, just a plug for anything that helps us see what the machine is doing, especially when it something goes wrong. >> > I tried many different debugging tools in recent months. > I found that all of them still inferior to examine and analysis of code :) > Oh, i forgot to mention about smalltalk debugger. Well, i think you know by youself: it may miss some features, but in overall i never had any problems with finding a bugs using it, which usually takes not more than a few minutes. Using C debuggers is like an excursion to stone age, where you have only one tool at your disposal: stone hammer. > Some of them even refusing to show me anything userful, or making is > so hard, that its easier to simply read source code, rather than > debugging. And debugging VM is not the same as debugging usual C > program.. > Now add a native code into the soup, and you'll understand why all of > these cool debuggers are incapable to help.. > unless you spent 100++ hours with them and mastered everything about debugger. > > From other side, there is not much complex things in code generator. I > isolating things into small pieces of code > (couple lines of smalltalk code per method), so there is nearly > impossible to do a mistake. > It is relatively easy to find a mistake at first run of the code. > > The bug which i fixed recently was in callback code, which is quite > complex and is rather exception than common case > (a method contains maybe 100 lines of code). And bug was a logical > mistake, not something like code generator producing wrong > instructions etc :) > >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko [siguctua(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:12 AM >> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; Pharo Development >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] NativeBoost meets Linux >> >> On 26 September 2010 21:09, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I just uploaded a fresh snapshots of NB plugin and image code, >>> with necessary bits for using it under Linux. >>> >>> I don't know how to package Linux VM binaries, so you won't find a prebuilt VM >>> and should build it yourself (anyone wants to help me with that, so i >>> can add a prebuilt VM at downloads?). >>> >>> As usual, follow the installation instructions, located here: >>> http://code.google.com/p/nativeboost/wiki/Installation >>> >>> Warning: recently, i found a bug in callback code. >>> So, please don't try using smalltalk callbacks until i fix it :) >>> >>> Running tests should be safe (i disabled the test which causing VM crash). >>> >> >> Update: bug was fixed after two days sitting with debugger and trying >> to convince gdb to let me debug and find the >> place with problem, which finished by looking to own code once again >> and finding what it doing wrong. >> Thanks DDD+gdb developers with not letting me simply debug my stuff, >> but instead train >> my brain's analytic capabilities. :) >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 28, 2010

[Pharo-project] MorphoPhysics for both Pharo and Squeak

by HwaJong Oh

Compatibility fix made on MorphoPhysics. It can now be loaded on both Squeak and Pharo. Before this fix, it was only for Squeak only. Here is the installation instruction. 1. install LazyRabbit : http://www.squeaksource.com/LazyRabbit.html 2. install MorphoPhysics : http://www.squeaksource.com/MorphoPhysics.html (no need to load MorphoPhysicsEtoyPlugin , MorphoPhysicsSeasidePlugin. MorphoPhysics is good enough) 3. open a workspace, and follow the example method MindMapMP class >> esug2010PresentationExample Sorry for not using Metacello. I will learn to use it later. -HwaJong Oh- -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/MorphoPhysics-for-both-Pharo-and-Squeak-tp2717184p271… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello Configuration Browser?

by Guillermo Polito

Okok, I saw there already exists a Configuration browser :P. But it can be reaally improved. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Guillermo Polito < guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm always reading people saying that metacello configurations are some > kind of... overdesign. So, maybe we need a tool (or to modify monticello > browser) wich allow us to: > > - know wich packages are core and dev. Sometimes using a dev image, I > write things depending on Dev packages and I don't realize it. > - create automatically or propose configurations depending on the actual > state of the packages. > - browse configurations nicely :). It's a new concept, we need a nice tool > to support it. > > Maybe if the configs are easily created, we can have more of them, and we > will be no longer so lazy. > > Cheers, > Guille >

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] NativeBoost meets Linux

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 September 2010 14:27, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > Sig, > > That's kinda scary coming from someone who thinks in assembly instructions :) Â I generally have resorted to tracing when debugging code in my libraries. Â So far, DebugView has been hard to beat for that. Â Not the same level, I realize, just a plug for anything that helps us see what the machine is doing, especially when it something goes wrong. > I tried many different debugging tools in recent months. I found that all of them still inferior to examine and analysis of code :) Some of them even refusing to show me anything userful, or making is so hard, that its easier to simply read source code, rather than debugging. And debugging VM is not the same as debugging usual C program.. Now add a native code into the soup, and you'll understand why all of these cool debuggers are incapable to help.. unless you spent 100++ hours with them and mastered everything about debugger. >From other side, there is not much complex things in code generator. I isolating things into small pieces of code (couple lines of smalltalk code per method), so there is nearly impossible to do a mistake. It is relatively easy to find a mistake at first run of the code. The bug which i fixed recently was in callback code, which is quite complex and is rather exception than common case (a method contains maybe 100 lines of code). And bug was a logical mistake, not something like code generator producing wrong instructions etc :) > Bill > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko [siguctua(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:12 AM > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; Pharo Development > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] NativeBoost meets Linux > > On 26 September 2010 21:09, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I just uploaded a fresh snapshots of NB plugin and image code, >> with necessary bits for using it under Linux. >> >> I don't know how to package Linux VM binaries, so you won't find a prebuilt VM >> and should build it yourself (anyone wants to help me with that, so i >> can add a prebuilt VM at downloads?). >> >> As usual, follow the installation instructions, located here: >> http://code.google.com/p/nativeboost/wiki/Installation >> >> Warning: recently, i found a bug in callback code. >> So, please don't try using smalltalk callbacks until i fix it :) >> >> Running tests should be safe (i disabled the test which causing VM crash). >> > > Update: bug was fixed after two days sitting with debugger and trying > to convince gdb to let me debug and find the > place with problem, which finished by looking to own code once again > and finding what it doing wrong. > Thanks DDD+gdb developers with not letting me simply debug my stuff, > but instead train > my brain's analytic capabilities. :) > > >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 28, 2010

[Pharo-project] Metacello Configuration Browser?

by Guillermo Polito

I'm always reading people saying that metacello configurations are some kind of... overdesign. So, maybe we need a tool (or to modify monticello browser) wich allow us to: - know wich packages are core and dev. Sometimes using a dev image, I write things depending on Dev packages and I don't realize it. - create automatically or propose configurations depending on the actual state of the packages. - browse configurations nicely :). It's a new concept, we need a nice tool to support it. Maybe if the configs are easily created, we can have more of them, and we will be no longer so lazy. Cheers, Guille

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-project] About installing NativeBoost in Linux

by Igor Stasenko

2010/9/28 Fernando olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch>: > > I can provide an image with VMMaker + NB plugin, if you want. > > Not necesary! > I found out that using the new ConfigurationOfVMMaker its pretty > straightforward, to have a "VMMaker image". > > > I running linux in virtual box, and had a problems with OpenGL, so i > had to disable it & exclude everything > which using it (B3DAcceleratorPlugin) from build, as well as some > other plugins, which for one or another > reason didn't worked for me. > So, it could be not the same VM you wanna use on your box. :) > > > > I ran into some problems when running make install, could you please send me > the vmmaker configuration file you are using? > So i can mimic the plugins configuration that worked for you, and > successfully compile the vm. > Will send in private mail. > Just try to build a VM with plugin. And once it can run a native code, > the rest is a piece of cake :) > I can give you detailed explanation, what you should implement/override > to complete NB bootstrap on Mac, once you will be ready. > > Ok, will let you know. > > > pd: > Maybe this could be useful to put in the native boost installation page , > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository' ; > package: 'ConfigurationOfVMMaker' ; > load > (Smalltalk globals classNamed: 'ConfigurationOfVMMaker' ) load. i added this to wiki page. > pd: what about doing a ConfigurationOfNativeBoostInstaller? I'm still didn't came to the point where i need to use metacello. I did the simplest possible thing: wrote installer script which works ok in Squeak & Pharo. If someone provide a Metacello config , i can add it to repository. One more way of installing it doesn't hurts :) > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Sept. 28, 2010