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Fuel - FLPharo6Platform in Pharo 7

by Torsten Bergmann

There is a class FLPharo6Platform with FLPharo6Platform isResponsibleForCurrentPlatform returning false in Pharo 7 actually. There is no comment Do we need to care (delete, rename to FLPharo7Platform or introduce a new FLPharo7Platform as subclass)? Thx T.

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mutation of symbols

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Norbert, On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > What is the purpose of > > ByteSymbol>>#privateAt:put: > ByteSymbol>>#string: > WideSymbol>>#privateAt:put: > WideSymbol>>#string: > > ? > > thanks, > > Norbert > I *think* they're a hack for creating new Symbols. A better approach would be to create a ByteString or a WideString and then use adoptInstance: to change the String's class to the relevant Symbol class. _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

Jan. 11, 2018

[Pharo 7.0-dev] Build #418: 20948-Remove-dependency-from-Nautilus-form-FT-examples

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #418 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #664 was integrated: "20948-Remove-dependency-from-Nautilus-form-FT-examples" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/664 Issue Url: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20948 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 11, 2018

[Pharo 7.0-dev] Build #417: 20945-Dependency-browser-should-not-depends-on-Nautilus

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #417 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #661 was integrated: "20945-Dependency-browser-should-not-depends-on-Nautilus" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/661 Issue Url: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20945 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello, Im and a litle confused. Can you help me get started please?

by Christophe Demarey

Hi, > Le 11 janv. 2018 Ã 11:35, Photon <nico-braun(a)live.de> a Ã©crit : > > oh yes I allready started with the book as I decided that it looked the most > usefull and complete of the available material online. I did not know that > you wrote it. TDD is a fun topic aswell. > I have a little question tho. Am I supossed to know all the answers in > Chapter 3 challenges? Should I redo chapter 1-2 untill I know all the > answers? I think you should be able to answer most questions of the chapter 3 before going further. Be able to identify messages, literals and evaluating basic expressions is really important. If you only miss a few answers, it is not a big deal. They will come with experience. My advice would be to not only re-read the book but use Pharo playground / inspector in the same time to try the examples and find out similar ones. Regards, Christophe

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello, Im and a litle confused. Can you help me get started please?

by Photon

oh yes I allready started with the book as I decided that it looked the most usefull and complete of the available material online. I did not know that you wrote it. TDD is a fun topic aswell. I have a little question tho. Am I supossed to know all the answers in Chapter 3 challenges? Should I redo chapter 1-2 untill I know all the answers? Cheers -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] About values....

by Stephane Ducasse

Well. Give me 1 Billion euros and let us bet. :) On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 11:28 PM Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> https://youtu.be/keCwRdbwNQY >> >> I would love to have $ to market Pharo but I like this talk >> >> Stef >> > > Let's be sincere here, there would have been no Apple without Steve. > > Ironically even Steve was not aware of his massive importance. When he was > asked about Windows share on the OS market and what hope MacOS has battling > a Goliath that Microsoft is , Steve said that there could be no competition > and no hope other than increasing the shared from 3% at the time to 5% the > next 5 years. > > MacOS increased its share to 10% instead and when everyone predicted that > macs are no longer the focus of the company, Apple smelled the roses and saw > that maybe OS market is not as hopeless as they initially thought. As a > result we had the 5k iMac , a computer that costed at its release as much it > costed to get the monitor alone and then the iMac pro. > > Truth is that known really knows the market, not even Steve, none can really > predict it and none can really manipulate it. Its made for humans by humans > and so its influenced by the chaos that is called human emotion. > > However I agree with Steve. > > If you have to choose between 1 billion dollars or the ability to greatly > inspire people, you will be foolish to pick the first. > > Personally I think a big obstacle for Pharo is not money but this part. > > If one opens Pharo without knowing anything about it , his first reaction > will be "so what ?". > > Why ? > > Because there is no obvious thing to inspire. > > Pharo ability to inspire requires a deep introduction to the language and > considerably experience till you get at least the basics. > > This is our greatest weakness. > > We have prioritized coder productivity and we have sacrificed smooth > learning curve. Meaning there is a lot of friction to be introduced to Pharo > but once you do and learn the basics its easy to fall in love with the whole > ideology that Pharo is. > > Frankly Pharo has improved this already, Squeak was a mess and Pharo did a > lot of clean up. Unfortunately smooth learning curve is a secondary priority > and this will be growing issue the more complex Pharo becomes and let's face > it Pharo is a very complex environment already. > > So sorry Stef , you know I don't have an issue admiring when you are correct > but in this one you are very wrong. > > Python had no money at all, actually I am willing to bet it had less than > Pharo, but Python offered this super smooth learning curve and it now > dominates the programming field. > > Ironically I think Pharo would have been a far better choice in this field. > > Why ? > > - The language is much easier and simpler > > - We got a much better VM with far higher performance > > - We have a proper IDE that is fully open source, free and only one, instead > of a thousand variants of the same thing > > etc. > > Also as the video implied it does not matter how much money you throw at > marketing. Many companies throw a ton of money and they get close to nothing > in return. > > It's extremely hard to buy inspiration, you either have it , or you don't. > > Ironically I am writting this lines on my iMac using Windows. I am a Windows > hater but I got to admit, Microsoft seems to finally get the message, not > only the open sourced .NET which make a huge part of Windows they also made > Windows 10 far more stable , slick and well designed. Windows 10 may become > the only version of Windows I manage to like. > > I am sure it's not because they throw more money to it. More like they throw > more brains to it.

Jan. 10, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello, Im and a litle confused. Can you help me get started please?

by Stephane Ducasse

You are welcome :) Take the time and learn. Pharoers are nice. And get better and better and Pharo will change your life and your way to program in any OOP language. The "learning OOP" book that I wrote can teach you already some nice parts of OOP http://books.pharo.org Stef On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Photon <nico-braun(a)live.de> wrote: > Wow im mindblown. The famous Stephane Ducasse answered me himself :) > I watched a couple of talk you gave on Pharo. I followed your dice example > wich helped me alot to understand. By now im much more into it then a few > days ago when i wrote my request. Still I`m new to programming so I cant do > anything usefull yet. > > For my example with the city i > I meant that each class contained a dynamic list of other classes like city > had a member districts wich was a list of district classes and so on. I`m > not even sure if that is a good thing to do or if a real developer would > realize the city mode in a different way. > > Anyways I feel like i know how to proceed now, and have a bit better > understanding of the syntax and this whole object-message concept. Thank you > for your reply mr Ducasse ;) > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html >

Jan. 10, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] About values....

by Dimitris Chloupis

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 11:28 PM Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > https://youtu.be/keCwRdbwNQY > > I would love to have $ to market Pharo but I like this talk > > Stef > > Let's be sincere here, there would have been no Apple without Steve. Ironically even Steve was not aware of his massive importance. When he was asked about Windows share on the OS market and what hope MacOS has battling a Goliath that Microsoft is , Steve said that there could be no competition and no hope other than increasing the shared from 3% at the time to 5% the next 5 years. MacOS increased its share to 10% instead and when everyone predicted that macs are no longer the focus of the company, Apple smelled the roses and saw that maybe OS market is not as hopeless as they initially thought. As a result we had the 5k iMac , a computer that costed at its release as much it costed to get the monitor alone and then the iMac pro. Truth is that known really knows the market, not even Steve, none can really predict it and none can really manipulate it. Its made for humans by humans and so its influenced by the chaos that is called human emotion. However I agree with Steve. If you have to choose between 1 billion dollars or the ability to greatly inspire people, you will be foolish to pick the first. Personally I think a big obstacle for Pharo is not money but this part. If one opens Pharo without knowing anything about it , his first reaction will be "so what ?". Why ? Because there is no obvious thing to inspire. Pharo ability to inspire requires a deep introduction to the language and considerably experience till you get at least the basics. This is our greatest weakness. We have prioritized coder productivity and we have sacrificed smooth learning curve. Meaning there is a lot of friction to be introduced to Pharo but once you do and learn the basics its easy to fall in love with the whole ideology that Pharo is. Frankly Pharo has improved this already, Squeak was a mess and Pharo did a lot of clean up. Unfortunately smooth learning curve is a secondary priority and this will be growing issue the more complex Pharo becomes and let's face it Pharo is a very complex environment already. So sorry Stef , you know I don't have an issue admiring when you are correct but in this one you are very wrong. Python had no money at all, actually I am willing to bet it had less than Pharo, but Python offered this super smooth learning curve and it now dominates the programming field. Ironically I think Pharo would have been a far better choice in this field. Why ? - The language is much easier and simpler - We got a much better VM with far higher performance - We have a proper IDE that is fully open source, free and only one, instead of a thousand variants of the same thing etc. Also as the video implied it does not matter how much money you throw at marketing. Many companies throw a ton of money and they get close to nothing in return. It's extremely hard to buy inspiration, you either have it , or you don't. Ironically I am writting this lines on my iMac using Windows. I am a Windows hater but I got to admit, Microsoft seems to finally get the message, not only the open sourced .NET which make a huge part of Windows they also made Windows 10 far more stable , slick and well designed. Windows 10 may become the only version of Windows I manage to like. I am sure it's not because they throw more money to it. More like they throw more brains to it.

Jan. 10, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello, Im and a litle confused. Can you help me get started please?

by Photon

Wow im mindblown. The famous Stephane Ducasse answered me himself :) I watched a couple of talk you gave on Pharo. I followed your dice example wich helped me alot to understand. By now im much more into it then a few days ago when i wrote my request. Still I`m new to programming so I cant do anything usefull yet. For my example with the city i I meant that each class contained a dynamic list of other classes like city had a member districts wich was a list of district classes and so on. I`m not even sure if that is a good thing to do or if a real developer would realize the city mode in a different way. Anyways I feel like i know how to proceed now, and have a bit better understanding of the syntax and this whole object-message concept. Thank you for your reply mr Ducasse ;) -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

Jan. 10, 2018