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Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13005

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > we're already in 1.3??? > wow... i didn't noticed.. > guys, where is official announcement of new version release? :) no release yet... 1.2 is frozen, but Full does not even build since a week (see https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Pharo%201.2/ ), there are bugs 1.2 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone=1.2 1.2 Full http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone=1.2-DevImage (it would actualy be nice if more people would actively help ro reduce these... else there will be never a release. simple as that.) But the stuff for 1.3 starts to accumulate so rapidly that we need to get a way to integrate some of it already, else we are swamped. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL

by Fernando Olivero

Lumeire fulfills the specified goals: creating a world (scene) + cameras + light sources + 3d objects. Lumiere currently uses AlienOpenGL to comunicate with OpenGl, it could easily use OpenGL FFI as well as the underlying glue code to the rendering library. So resuming: 1) Lumiere abstractions over matrixes and OGL. 2) Rendering engined wrapper: AlienOpenGL (unmaintaned currently), OpenGL FFI , NativeBoost OpenGL (only windows for now, until someone compiles native boost vm for other OS). If someone needs the good abstractions of Lumiere, i could give some pointers on were to remove the AlienOpenGL dependency and "plug" the preferred engine. Fernando On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre(a)bergel.eu> wrote: > I feel that we will take the easiest way: implement a small 3d engine. This is about 100 lines of code for something simple (what we need in fact). > Ricardo and Patricio spent several days having something that run with AlienOpenGL, and the technical problems are numerous (Cog vs Standard, Linux, ...) > > We will let you know. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > >> If I knew what worked, I'd be making a recommendation :) Â As it is, I can perhaps help you work through the debugging process. Â As I said, you could indeed be missing a needed library, there could be dependencies missing that make a .so unable to load, a .so could be just plain broken (I've seen that once or twice), or the vm could be looking in the wrong place and saying absolutely nothing about it. Â If you can post more about what is going wrong and how, we might be able to sort it out, hopefully w/o having to hack the vm (but no promises). >> >> My 3D goals would generally be to create a view/world, add a light source or two and a camera, and to load a few meshes onto some type of retained mode objects and start prodding them in simple ways. Â Croquet's code for that looked like it was perfect for what I have in mind, but the 3D needs to go in the software, not the other way around. Â Scouting reports would be most welcome. >> >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Alexandre Bergel [alexandre(a)bergel.eu] >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:22 PM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL >> >>> Not that you are wrong, but how did you choose AlienOpenGL over CroquetGL? >> >> We're just looking for something that works. >> Is there currently a solution to make 3d with Pharo 1.2 and that works with windows, linux and mac? >> The idea is to have a 3d version of Mondrian. No need of fancy 3d effect so far. >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > >

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on the iPhone

by Denis Kudriashov

Hello Why you don't publich pharo to cydia? (for jailbreaked users) 2011/1/21 John M McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> > (a) sign up for Apple's SDK, to install apps on the iPhone you have to pay > $99 per year. > > (b) visit squeakvm.org download the source tree > > (c) look for the SqueakPureObjc.xcodeproj > compile/link/debug/run the iPhone app > > (d) Optionally look for the SqueakPureObjcCogVM.xcodeproj after download > the COG tree. > Don't cut yourself on the rough edges, but I think Esteban has a workable > version now? > > The difference between the two is that the SqueakPureObjcCogVM builds a > stack VM, where as the SqueakPureObjc builds the traditional VM but is about > 30% slower. > > The image has to include the objective-c bridge and iphone stuff, there is > a sample image (broken) in the source tree. > > On 2011-01-20, at 5:10 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > iPhone 4 is amazing. It will be even better with Pharo inside. Is there a > way to install it? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > NB: my device is non jailbreaked. > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > =========================================================================== > John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: > squeaker68882 > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > =========================================================================== > > > > > >

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on the iPhone

by John M McIntosh

(a) sign up for Apple's SDK, to install apps on the iPhone you have to pay $99 per year. (b) visit squeakvm.org download the source tree (c) look for the SqueakPureObjc.xcodeproj compile/link/debug/run the iPhone app (d) Optionally look for the SqueakPureObjcCogVM.xcodeproj after download the COG tree. Don't cut yourself on the rough edges, but I think Esteban has a workable version now? The difference between the two is that the SqueakPureObjcCogVM builds a stack VM, where as the SqueakPureObjc builds the traditional VM but is about 30% slower. The image has to include the objective-c bridge and iphone stuff, there is a sample image (broken) in the source tree. On 2011-01-20, at 5:10 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi! > > iPhone 4 is amazing. It will be even better with Pharo inside. Is there a way to install it? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > NB: my device is non jailbreaked. > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ===========================================================================

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Issue 3542 in pharo: Add SmalltalkImage>>#gcBiasToGrow: and friends to core

by pharo＠googlecode.com

Comment #17 on issue 3542 by philippe...(a)gmail.com: Add SmalltalkImage>>#gcBiasToGrow: and friends to core http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3542 It should be in ConfigurationOfSeaside30 if you do #loadLatestVersion

Jan. 21, 2011

[Pharo-project] New chapter on OpenGL in Pharo

by Javier PimÃ¡s

Hi! I just gathered many of my previous experiences trying to use opengl and uploaded it to the pharo book. It would be nice if someone could check the info, try to add more and mainly test the tips to see if they are working. With FFI OpenGL I'm getting an error while compiling a test method in Pharo 1.2 and some problems with underscore assignments and deprecations, we should fix them but I don't think I have access to that repo. Also, loading it involves many steps, having a ConfigurationOfFFIOpenGL would be awsome. Please add anything you consider useful. Regards, Javier. -- Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

Jan. 21, 2011

[Pharo-project] Pharo on the iPhone

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! iPhone 4 is amazing. It will be even better with Pharo inside. Is there a way to install it? Cheers, Alexandre NB: my device is non jailbreaked. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL

by Alexandre Bergel

I feel that we will take the easiest way: implement a small 3d engine. This is about 100 lines of code for something simple (what we need in fact). Ricardo and Patricio spent several days having something that run with AlienOpenGL, and the technical problems are numerous (Cog vs Standard, Linux, ...) We will let you know. Cheers, Alexandre > If I knew what worked, I'd be making a recommendation :) As it is, I can perhaps help you work through the debugging process. As I said, you could indeed be missing a needed library, there could be dependencies missing that make a .so unable to load, a .so could be just plain broken (I've seen that once or twice), or the vm could be looking in the wrong place and saying absolutely nothing about it. If you can post more about what is going wrong and how, we might be able to sort it out, hopefully w/o having to hack the vm (but no promises). > > My 3D goals would generally be to create a view/world, add a light source or two and a camera, and to load a few meshes onto some type of retained mode objects and start prodding them in simple ways. Croquet's code for that looked like it was perfect for what I have in mind, but the 3D needs to go in the software, not the other way around. Scouting reports would be most welcome. > > Bill > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Alexandre Bergel [alexandre(a)bergel.eu] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:22 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL > >> Not that you are wrong, but how did you choose AlienOpenGL over CroquetGL? > > We're just looking for something that works. > Is there currently a solution to make 3d with Pharo 1.2 and that works with windows, linux and mac? > The idea is to have a 3d version of Mondrian. No need of fancy 3d effect so far. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > > > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Alexandre, If I knew what worked, I'd be making a recommendation :) As it is, I can perhaps help you work through the debugging process. As I said, you could indeed be missing a needed library, there could be dependencies missing that make a .so unable to load, a .so could be just plain broken (I've seen that once or twice), or the vm could be looking in the wrong place and saying absolutely nothing about it. If you can post more about what is going wrong and how, we might be able to sort it out, hopefully w/o having to hack the vm (but no promises). My 3D goals would generally be to create a view/world, add a light source or two and a camera, and to load a few meshes onto some type of retained mode objects and start prodding them in simple ways. Croquet's code for that looked like it was perfect for what I have in mind, but the 3D needs to go in the software, not the other way around. Scouting reports would be most welcome. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Alexandre Bergel [alexandre(a)bergel.eu] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:22 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL > Not that you are wrong, but how did you choose AlienOpenGL over CroquetGL? We're just looking for something that works. Is there currently a solution to make 3d with Pharo 1.2 and that works with windows, linux and mac? The idea is to have a 3d version of Mondrian. No need of fancy 3d effect so far. Cheers, Alexandre

Jan. 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL

by Alexandre Bergel

> Not that you are wrong, but how did you choose AlienOpenGL over CroquetGL? We're just looking for something that works. Is there currently a solution to make 3d with Pharo 1.2 and that works with windows, linux and mac? The idea is to have a 3d version of Mondrian. No need of fancy 3d effect so far. Cheers, Alexandre > IIRC, there is also a 3D project associated with NativeBoost. The latter lives here: > > http://code.google.com/p/nativeboost/ > > Just curious. > > I was originally very disappointed that Croquet was an all-or-nothing proposition. Just studying the code, it had a very nice way of manipulating 3D objects (more than just drawing triangles), but it was part of the 3D operating system, which was not something I could put in front of the end users I had in mind. Here's hoping the nice code is moving toward something that we can use to open 3D views from inside of Pharo. > > On to your debugging problem, can you tell what Pharo is trying to load? I have resorted to building my own VM to get a look at exactly what paths are used to load libraries. Even a relevant #moduleName return value might help identify the required library. You could be experiencing problems because the library is not present, or because FFI is looking in the wrong place. The Linux VM does not easily give up its secrets. > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Ricardo Jacas [ricardo.jacas(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:44 PM > To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: [Pharo-project] Using AlienOpenGL > > hi, im trying to work with the AlienOpenGL library, in ubuntu, but i > cant get even the test to run. > it keeps saying i dont have a basic library but i dont have a clue how > to get it. > > i have been all day ready post about it and i simply cant make it. > > anyone can do a stupid proof guide? > > Ricardo > > -- > lets reign all together > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 21, 2011