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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >>> I would not unload packaged. >>> >>> Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am >>> sure you will have problems. >>> >>> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core. >> >> You must be joking right? In the mission you say "stable and small >> core", but the numbers say something entirely different: PharoCore 1.0 >> is 11 MB, PharoCore 1.1 is 14 MB, PharoCore 1.2 is 16 MB. I mentioned >> it before in this list, but I already had to unload stuff in PharoCore >> 1.1. Honestly, I don't really see the point of a PharoCore image if it >> contains more and more not unloadable non-core code. >> > Size of the image comes in part from ever growing MC history. 1.2 Core is 15.6MB MCVersionInfo allInstances do: [ :each | each instVarNamed: 'ancestors' put: nil ]. --> 11.8 MB Delete ScriptLoader class in addition: --> 9.8MB Starting with 1.2Core, doing ScriptLoader new cleanUpForProduction --> 7.5 MB (With MinimalMorphic) So it's not that bad. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> I would not unload packaged. >> >> Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am >> sure you will have problems. >> >> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core. > > You must be joking right? In the mission you say "stable and small > core", but the numbers say something entirely different: PharoCore 1.0 > is 11 MB, PharoCore 1.1 is 14 MB, PharoCore 1.2 is 16 MB. I mentioned > it before in this list, but I already had to unload stuff in PharoCore > 1.1. Honestly, I don't really see the point of a PharoCore image if it > contains more and more not unloadable non-core code. > Size of the image comes in part from ever growing MC history. The only other big thing should be the Minimal Morphic code, which is in there temporarily. Else: People are welcome to help. We do what we do and then we do a release even if it is imperfect. Perfection is death, and delaying the release forever "because we could do better" will not mean that we do better, just that we don't release ever. Pharo 1.2 is *not* a goal in itself. It is just a snapshot on the way to a goal. Therefore it's just a mess that is tested for some month so it does not have any obvious bugs. Nothing else. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] - 33 StrikeFontSet

by laurent laffont

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Henrik Sperre Johansen < henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > On 18.03.2011 08:03, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > >> On 18.03.2011 07:48, laurent laffont wrote: >> >>> Nobody know this stuff ? >>> >>> Laurent >>> >> >> Know it? Sort of. >> Enough to not write a correct comment? Getting there would probably induce >> extreme frustration in the process, which I in no way need. >> Sorry. >> >> Cheers, >> Henry >> >> Maybe: > "This is not something you will understand completely just by looking at > the code for 30+ minutes" :) > I spent 10 mn only ... big class ... :( Laurent > > Cheers, > Henry > >

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Lukas Renggli

> I would not unload packaged. > > Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am > sure you will have problems. > > And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core. You must be joking right? In the mission you say "stable and small core", but the numbers say something entirely different: PharoCore 1.0 is 11 MB, PharoCore 1.1 is 14 MB, PharoCore 1.2 is 16 MB. I mentioned it before in this list, but I already had to unload stuff in PharoCore 1.1. Honestly, I don't really see the point of a PharoCore image if it contains more and more not unloadable non-core code. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Marcus Denker

>> >> Yes, but it was not done for 1.2 and 1.2 is *finished*. >> >> If we want to do that, we need to do that *not after the release is released* >> but before. This whole thing just shows that "I only look at 1.2 when it is released" *DOES NOT WORK*. 1.2 Core was "Release Canditate" for *two months*. Release Canditate means "this will be released *unchanged* if no problems are found". So isn't *that* the point to do things that could need a fix in the release? I am really tempted to declare 1.3 stable now and abandon any concept of release, as it's a complete waste of time. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] GSOC 2010 results

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 18, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > While reading about the last GSOC 2010 at: > > http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2010-esug/downloads/list > > I wonder what happened to the results. Are they just available > to play with them in private. > > Or will Pharo/the overall Smalltalk community profit > from them since they can be usefull for the next step. > Therefore especially two questions: > > 1. Is the Namespace code conceptually the one we want to > have for Pharo and if so are there any plans to > integrate it (Pharo 1.3/1.4./... ?) No > 2. Is the code from Cross-Dialect Smalltalk FFI ready > or what is the state/strategy for Alien/FFI these days. Yes > > Thx > T. > > > > > -- > GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit > gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl >

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Tudor Girba

+1 Doru On 18 Mar 2011, at 08:07, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: >>> >>> >>> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core. >>> >>> Marcus >> I thought the general idea was to remove SimpleMorphic before releases? >> Think I read so in an issue, or on the list. > > > Yes, but it was not done for 1.2 and 1.2 is *finished*. > > If we want to do that, we need to do that *not after the release is released* > but before. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Beauty is where we see it."

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: >> >> >> And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core. >> >> Marcus > I thought the general idea was to remove SimpleMorphic before releases? > Think I read so in an issue, or on the list. Yes, but it was not done for 1.2 and 1.2 is *finished*. If we want to do that, we need to do that *not after the release is released* but before. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] - 33 StrikeFontSet

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 18.03.2011 08:03, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > On 18.03.2011 07:48, laurent laffont wrote: >> Nobody know this stuff ? >> >> Laurent > > Know it? Sort of. > Enough to not write a correct comment? Getting there would probably > induce extreme frustration in the process, which I in no way need. > Sorry. > > Cheers, > Henry > Maybe: "This is not something you will understand completely just by looking at the code for 30+ minutes" :) Cheers, Henry

March 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN 1.2] prebuilt core 1.2 final

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 18.03.2011 07:41, Marcus Denker wrote: > On Mar 18, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >> Ahh, looks like SimpleMorphic has some (probably unintentional) >> overrides of core methods. Unloading the package pretty much breaks >> everything :-( >> >> Lukas >> >> On 18 March 2011 07:02, Lukas Renggli<renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Very good! We then can release the 1.2 Full soon, too. >>>> I wonder if we should adopt your OB codebase for that? Or do >>>> we wait for 1.2.1? >>> I would wait a bit. I noticed that the debugger is quite broken. I >>> only get the pre-debug window, but clicking on any button opens >>> another pre-debug window. I don't have time to investigate, is this >>> also in core or some side-effect of loading/unloading packages? > I would not unload packaged. > > Everything not tested is broken, and so if you do things like that I am > sure you will have problems. > > And nobody ever unloaded anything from Core. > > Marcus I thought the general idea was to remove SimpleMorphic before releases? Think I read so in an issue, or on the list. Cheers, Henry

March 18, 2011