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Re: Open Call: Object-Centric Breakpoints experiment

by Steven Costiou

Dear community, we are still looking for participants for our experiment in the EVREF team! Please help us! We need 15 more participants, if you are interested and if you believe you can work your way around a debugger, the experiment is fully available online here (using Pharo 9): https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd We would like to show our results at ESUG, but for that we really need these 15 additional participations so that we can trust the results better. Thanks in advance, and many thanks to the people who already participated! Steven. Le 2024-02-02 14:14, Steven Costiou a Ã©crit : > Dear Community, > > as part of a research project in the EVREF team, we are looking for people to participate to an empirical experiment on object-centric breakpoints - a debugging tool present in Pharo 9. > > Many people from the community already participated, and we thank them very much ð > > We are still looking for participants, we need 40 people to do the experiment! > > Please help us, in return it helps us understand better our tools and their impact and therefore build better tools for the Pharo community! > > For those who want to know a bit more, see my original email below. > For those who just want to jump at the experiment, you can go there https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd > > Thanks in advance ð > Steven. > > --- > > We would like to invite you to participate to our experimental study on Object-Centric Breakpoints. > This study aims to evaluate and to understand how Object-Centric Breakpoints impacts the debugging activity. > > This experiment takes place in **Pharo 9**. > In this experiment, we ask you to solve 2 debugging tasks, one with standard Pharo tools and one other with Object-Centric Breakpoints. > Between the two tasks, you will have to follow a tutorialand warmup tasks to learn how to use the tool. > > **How to Participate:** > All instructions are here, please read them carefully: https://github.com/Pharo-XP-Tools/XPImageGeneration/tree/exp-ocd > > **About the Experiment:** > > The experiment last between 40 minutes and 2 hours. > Participants should have experience with Pharo development and debugging. > We recommend having more than 6 months experience in Pharo and debugging in general. > You will gain insights into the Object-Centric Breakpoints approach and contribute to advancements in debugging research. > > Help us to build better debugging tools that help you debug! > > **Some constraints:** > > - You are not allowed to load external tools and baselines, but you can use anything that is in the base image > - Please do the experiment in one shot if possible without interruptions > - The experiment sends anonymous data to our inria server, please make sure that you have a valid internet connection > - Please try to use the object-centric breakpoints when the experimental framework asks you to > > **Notes:** > Participation is voluntary, and everything is anonymous. > You can abandon the experiment at any point (and your data will be discarded). > For any question, you can contact us: steven.costiou(a)inria.fr and valentin.bourcier(a)inria.fr > > Thank you for considering participating in our study. > Your contribution will be valuable in advancing the field of debugging and helping us understand what tools we need to build for Pharo. > > Sincerely, > Steven and Valentin, > EVREF team, Inria

May 14, 2024

Re: [Pharo-users] This week (19/2024) on the Pharo Issue Tracker

by stephane ducasse

Yes I understood that after sending my mail > On 13 May 2024, at 11:56, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Only the first issue is for Pharo 12, all the other for Pharo 13. > (the idea is to have just one headline Pharo 12 for all the issues backported) > > Marcus > >> On 13 May 2024, at 15:31, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I imagine that this is for Pharo 13 >> >> S >> >>> On 13 May 2024, at 03:11, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> # Pharo 12 >>> >>> - 16576-Problem-with-completion-in-the-tutorial #16582 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16582 >>> >>> >>> # Virtual Machine >>> >>> - Bump to MacOS 11 and above #792 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/792 >>> >>> - Do not use asserta: in a statement #788 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/788 >>> >>> - Moving pharo.signatures files for OSX Bundle to Resources folder #770 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/770 >>> >>> >>> # Features >>> >>> - New debugger extension model to display dynamic extensions #739 >>> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/739 >>> >>> - add asAccessor #16579 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16579 >>> >>> - Make it easier to diagnose mock failures by printing message sends properly and storing the send history in the mock #16555 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16555 >>> >>> - add two's complement display for negative integers #746 >>> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/746 >>> >>> # Fixes >>> >>> - Make ToggleMenuItemMorph use a FormSet for the submenu marker #16510 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16510 >>> >>> - Taskbar option to close windows hidden behind other windows #16552 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16552 >>> >>> - prof stef lesson view did not understand has binding of #16578 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16578 >>> >>> - fix precedence computation #16581 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16581 >>> >>> # Refactoring Engine >>> >>> - Fix RBCompositeRefactoryChange>>#defineClass: argument name #16600 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16600 >>> >>> - Refactor: preconditions return array of preconditions by default #16527 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16527 >>> >>> >>> # Rules >>> >>> - add ReOverridingExtentsionMethod rule #16550 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16550 >>> >>> - add rule to avoid that TestCase rely on Initialize #16513 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16513 >>> >>> # Tests (Green tests on CI) >>> >>> - Fix testCodeCruftLeftInMethods #16598 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16598 >>> >>> - Update roassal to v1.06d #16595 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16595 >>> >>> - Fixing reflectivity tests that can randomly fail because of unstable and unpredictable tests generating methods #16584 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16584 >>> >>> - 16569-CI-Pharo13-code-with-halt-was-merged #16570 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16570 >>> >>> - clearing debugger subscriptions and subcomponents in StDebuggerExtensionMechanismTest>>#tearDown #712 >>> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/712 >>> >>> >>> # Cleanups >>> >>> - Renaming DebugPointSideEffect into DebugPointMetaBehavior #16563 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16563 >>> >>> - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#lastRunMethodNamed: #16588 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16588 >>> >>> - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#hasErrorTest, TestCase class>>#hasPassedTest and TestCase class>>#hasFailedTest #16586 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16586 >>> >>> - Changed 'Transcript show:' construct to 'self trace' #16385 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16385 >>> >>> - removing dependency to UIManager in StFuelStackCommand #745 >>> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/745 >>> >>> # Documentation >>> >>> - Update CONTRIBUTING.md #16575 >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16575 >> >> StÃ©phane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr >> 06 30 93 66 73 >> >> "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes >> >> >> >> >> > StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes

May 14, 2024

Re: This week (19/2024) on the Pharo Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

Only the first issue is for Pharo 12, all the other for Pharo 13. (the idea is to have just one headline Pharo 12 for all the issues backported) Marcus > On 13 May 2024, at 15:31, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > I imagine that this is for Pharo 13 > > S > >> On 13 May 2024, at 03:11, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> # Pharo 12 >> >> - 16576-Problem-with-completion-in-the-tutorial #16582 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16582 >> >> >> # Virtual Machine >> >> - Bump to MacOS 11 and above #792 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/792 >> >> - Do not use asserta: in a statement #788 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/788 >> >> - Moving pharo.signatures files for OSX Bundle to Resources folder #770 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/770 >> >> >> # Features >> >> - New debugger extension model to display dynamic extensions #739 >> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/739 >> >> - add asAccessor #16579 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16579 >> >> - Make it easier to diagnose mock failures by printing message sends properly and storing the send history in the mock #16555 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16555 >> >> - add two's complement display for negative integers #746 >> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/746 >> >> # Fixes >> >> - Make ToggleMenuItemMorph use a FormSet for the submenu marker #16510 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16510 >> >> - Taskbar option to close windows hidden behind other windows #16552 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16552 >> >> - prof stef lesson view did not understand has binding of #16578 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16578 >> >> - fix precedence computation #16581 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16581 >> >> # Refactoring Engine >> >> - Fix RBCompositeRefactoryChange>>#defineClass: argument name #16600 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16600 >> >> - Refactor: preconditions return array of preconditions by default #16527 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16527 >> >> >> # Rules >> >> - add ReOverridingExtentsionMethod rule #16550 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16550 >> >> - add rule to avoid that TestCase rely on Initialize #16513 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16513 >> >> # Tests (Green tests on CI) >> >> - Fix testCodeCruftLeftInMethods #16598 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16598 >> >> - Update roassal to v1.06d #16595 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16595 >> >> - Fixing reflectivity tests that can randomly fail because of unstable and unpredictable tests generating methods #16584 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16584 >> >> - 16569-CI-Pharo13-code-with-halt-was-merged #16570 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16570 >> >> - clearing debugger subscriptions and subcomponents in StDebuggerExtensionMechanismTest>>#tearDown #712 >> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/712 >> >> >> # Cleanups >> >> - Renaming DebugPointSideEffect into DebugPointMetaBehavior #16563 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16563 >> >> - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#lastRunMethodNamed: #16588 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16588 >> >> - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#hasErrorTest, TestCase class>>#hasPassedTest and TestCase class>>#hasFailedTest #16586 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16586 >> >> - Changed 'Transcript show:' construct to 'self trace' #16385 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16385 >> >> - removing dependency to UIManager in StFuelStackCommand #745 >> https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/745 >> >> # Documentation >> >> - Update CONTRIBUTING.md #16575 >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16575 > > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > 06 30 93 66 73 > > "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes > > > > >

May 13, 2024

Re: This week (19/2024) on the Pharo Issue Tracker

by stephane ducasse

Hi I imagine that this is for Pharo 13 S > On 13 May 2024, at 03:11, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > # Pharo 12 > > - 16576-Problem-with-completion-in-the-tutorial #16582 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16582 > > > # Virtual Machine > > - Bump to MacOS 11 and above #792 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/792 > > - Do not use asserta: in a statement #788 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/788 > > - Moving pharo.signatures files for OSX Bundle to Resources folder #770 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/770 > > > # Features > > - New debugger extension model to display dynamic extensions #739 > https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/739 > > - add asAccessor #16579 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16579 > > - Make it easier to diagnose mock failures by printing message sends properly and storing the send history in the mock #16555 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16555 > > - add two's complement display for negative integers #746 > https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/746 > > # Fixes > > - Make ToggleMenuItemMorph use a FormSet for the submenu marker #16510 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16510 > > - Taskbar option to close windows hidden behind other windows #16552 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16552 > > - prof stef lesson view did not understand has binding of #16578 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16578 > > - fix precedence computation #16581 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16581 > > # Refactoring Engine > > - Fix RBCompositeRefactoryChange>>#defineClass: argument name #16600 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16600 > > - Refactor: preconditions return array of preconditions by default #16527 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16527 > > > # Rules > > - add ReOverridingExtentsionMethod rule #16550 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16550 > > - add rule to avoid that TestCase rely on Initialize #16513 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16513 > > # Tests (Green tests on CI) > > - Fix testCodeCruftLeftInMethods #16598 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16598 > > - Update roassal to v1.06d #16595 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16595 > > - Fixing reflectivity tests that can randomly fail because of unstable and unpredictable tests generating methods #16584 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16584 > > - 16569-CI-Pharo13-code-with-halt-was-merged #16570 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16570 > > - clearing debugger subscriptions and subcomponents in StDebuggerExtensionMechanismTest>>#tearDown #712 > https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/712 > > > # Cleanups > > - Renaming DebugPointSideEffect into DebugPointMetaBehavior #16563 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16563 > > - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#lastRunMethodNamed: #16588 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16588 > > - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#hasErrorTest, TestCase class>>#hasPassedTest and TestCase class>>#hasFailedTest #16586 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16586 > > - Changed 'Transcript show:' construct to 'self trace' #16385 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16385 > > - removing dependency to UIManager in StFuelStackCommand #745 > https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/745 > > # Documentation > > - Update CONTRIBUTING.md #16575 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16575 StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes

May 13, 2024

Re: IWST Paper Submission Deadline is Approaching!

by Kasper Osterbye

> Den 13. maj 2024 kl. 09.36 skrev Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > maybe it is not compatible with all browsers somehow? Here only the old dates are âdeletedâ: Fortunately it works now! Best, Kasper

May 13, 2024

Re: IWST Paper Submission Deadline is Approaching!

by Marcus Denker

maybe it is not compatible with all browsers somehow? Here only the old dates are âdeletedâ: ï¿¼ > On 10 May 2024, at 18:00, Kasper Osterbye <kasper.osterbye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The IWST team, Gordana, Guille and Steven >> https://esug.org/2024-Conference/IWST2024.html > > Chuckles - as of right now, the format of this html as indicated below - not super quality like the rest of the site. It makes me happy that I am not the only one who gets errorsâ¦ > > Best, Kasper > > <Indsat grafik-1.png>

May 13, 2024

This week (19/2024) on the Pharo Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

# Pharo 12 - 16576-Problem-with-completion-in-the-tutorial #16582 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16582 # Virtual Machine - Bump to MacOS 11 and above #792 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/792 - Do not use asserta: in a statement #788 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/788 - Moving pharo.signatures files for OSX Bundle to Resources folder #770 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/770 # Features - New debugger extension model to display dynamic extensions #739 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/739 - add asAccessor #16579 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16579 - Make it easier to diagnose mock failures by printing message sends properly and storing the send history in the mock #16555 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16555 - add two's complement display for negative integers #746 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/746 # Fixes - Make ToggleMenuItemMorph use a FormSet for the submenu marker #16510 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16510 - Taskbar option to close windows hidden behind other windows #16552 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16552 - prof stef lesson view did not understand has binding of #16578 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16578 - fix precedence computation #16581 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16581 # Refactoring Engine - Fix RBCompositeRefactoryChange>>#defineClass: argument name #16600 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16600 - Refactor: preconditions return array of preconditions by default #16527 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16527 # Rules - add ReOverridingExtentsionMethod rule #16550 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16550 - add rule to avoid that TestCase rely on Initialize #16513 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16513 # Tests (Green tests on CI) - Fix testCodeCruftLeftInMethods #16598 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16598 - Update roassal to v1.06d #16595 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16595 - Fixing reflectivity tests that can randomly fail because of unstable and unpredictable tests generating methods #16584 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16584 - 16569-CI-Pharo13-code-with-halt-was-merged #16570 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16570 - clearing debugger subscriptions and subcomponents in StDebuggerExtensionMechanismTest>>#tearDown #712 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/712 # Cleanups - Renaming DebugPointSideEffect into DebugPointMetaBehavior #16563 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16563 - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#lastRunMethodNamed: #16588 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16588 - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#hasErrorTest, TestCase class>>#hasPassedTest and TestCase class>>#hasFailedTest #16586 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16586 - Changed 'Transcript show:' construct to 'self trace' #16385 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16385 - removing dependency to UIManager in StFuelStackCommand #745 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/745 # Documentation - Update CONTRIBUTING.md #16575 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16575

May 13, 2024

Re: IWST Paper Submission Deadline is Approaching!

by Kasper Osterbye

> The IWST team, Gordana, Guille and Steven > https://esug.org/2024-Conference/IWST2024.html Chuckles - as of right now, the format of this html as indicated below - not super quality like the rest of the site. It makes me happy that I am not the only one who gets errorsâ¦ Best, Kasper ï¿¼

May 10, 2024

IWST Paper Submission Deadline is Approaching!

by Guillermo Polito

Dear community, IWST invites everybody to submit full/short papers to be considered to be plublished in the IWST 2024 Proceedings. Papers can both be presented in the conference's IWST track and appear in proceedings independently of the initially submitted abstracts. Full/short paper submission deadline: May 19th, 2024 We are looking for papers of two kinds: - Short position papers (5 to 10 pages) describing fresh ideas and early results. - Full papers (more than 10 pages) with deeper description of experiments and of research results. Paper accepted for publishing will be published within a *CEUR-WS Proceedings>https://ceur-ws.org/*. Hence, both submissions and final papers must be prepared using the *CEUR ART style>https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-XXX/CEURART.zip*. We recommend to use the template in single column style, although you may use two colums. CEUR proceedings accepts papers in boths styles as soon as they follow the template and have 5 or more pages. The IWST team, Gordana, Guille and Steven https://esug.org/2024-Conference/IWST2024.html

May 10, 2024

Re: [Esug-list] Re: Re: [ANN] Soil release v1

by Yanni Chiu

I know. I was implying that Soil might be more than just bits of that stone. By being soil, it can be a fertile ground for ideas. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:41 PM Dale Henrichs < dale.henrichs(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > But ground stone is just sand. Thereâs more than just sand in soil. Soil >> should have the other ingredients needed for growth. :) > > I was trying to make a reference to a GemStone *stone *:) > > Dale > > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:27â¯PM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> >> Am 08.05.2024 um 16:14 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> ï»¿ >> >> Am 06.05.2024 um 16:47 schrieb Dirk Nel <dirkockertnel(a)gmail.com>: >> >> I'll definitely check it out..! and for those who are not in the know... >> what inspired the name? :) >> >> >> - I like the word >> - It has only four letters which qualifies as a class prefix >> - To me as a non-native speaker it means: ground layer you can build/grow >> on >> >> - people having fun with it >> >> Mission accomplished >> >> N. >> >> >> Norbert >> >> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 17:47, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >>> That's really exciting news... appreciate you sharing it with the wider >>> community (I know when you mentioned its existence a while back I went and >>> watched the Esug recordings to get more info, and looked at some of the >>> extensive test cases to get a feel on what it looked like - its neat). >>> >>> Having multiple options for persisting data (from simple Fuel up to Soil >>> and Glorp and Gemstone) is very useful. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, at 12:52 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> >>> ...we said at last ESUG that there will be a release soonish but as >>> usual it doesn't go that fast. >>> >>> But now we are very happy to announce that Soil has a first public >>> release v1. So what is soil? >>> >>> Soil is an object oriented database in pharo <http://pharo.org/>. It is >>> transaction based having ACID transactions. It has binary search >>> capabilities with SkipList and BTree+ indexes. It aims to be a simple yet >>> powerful database making it easy to develop with, easy to debug with, easy >>> to inspect, ... >>> >>> More details at https://github.com/ApptiveGrid/Soil >>> >>> This release is still considered early stage because >>> >>> >>> - although in ApptiveGrid there are over 4000 instances of it and >>> there are other users there isn't a wider range of use cases, yet. So it is >>> not fully battle tested. This just as reminder when you start compaining I >>> need somewhere to point my finger to and say "I told you!" ;) >>> - there are few things missing that you might expect like garbage >>> collection, etc. >>> >>> >>> So but it is definetely usable and awaiting the brave ones of you to >>> try. >>> >>> Hopy you enjoy it! >>> >>> Norbert & Marcus >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave(a)lists.esug.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave(a)lists.esug.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave(a)lists.esug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave(a)lists.esug.org >> >

May 8, 2024