July 2021 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

his week (29/2021) on the Pharo Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

We merged 15 Pull Requests and closed 18 issues this week. Pharo9 (only bugfixes) ====== - Fix 9631 (Sources should not contain NULL character) for Pharo 9 #9635 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9635 - add upperbound on seed in random #9221 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9221 - Fit column width to content on double clicking a MorphTreeResizerMorph #9605 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9605 - 9603 changes in pharo 9 in welcome window points to version 8 instead of 9 #9606 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9606 - use spec 1.0.1 #9602 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9602 Pharo10 ======= Development of Pharo10 has started! Fixes ===== - CommandLineUIManager should setup stdout transcript #9651 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9651 - DocComment-class-side #9611 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9611 - Fixing UML tab to not be generated on each click #9593 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9593 Keep Pharo10 in sync with fixes done in Pharo9 ===================== - Fix 9631 (Sources should not contain NULL character) for Pharo 10 #9636 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9636 <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9636> - Harvesting changes in Pharo9 to Pharo10 #9594 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9594 Refactoring Engine ================== - RB - Migrate refactorings #9623 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9623 - RB - Add parametrized tests #9599 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9599 Cleanups ========= - Fixes: #9613 basically removing Microdown from Pharo to prepare... https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9614 - 9564-CriticsCache-is-not-referenced #9608 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9608 <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9608> Documentation ============ - Fix #9471: roundDownTo: Turn comments into executable comments #9652 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/9652

July 23, 2021

Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming

by Esteban Maringolo

>> Sure, it was randomly chosen. I have no idea, do you have certainty, but I still don't see the relation in this context. >> Perhaps it designates a martial art master, which totally makes sense for the main branch that controls a software project. >> Totally makes sense. I guess they all share the same root. https://www.etymonline.com/word/master >> Then, the fact that you and your friends (you are a few here) I speak for myself, and albeit I have a few friends in this list (most of whom I know outside of the virtual realm), I have more colleagues with whom I've been around sharing all kinds of conversations with them, even when holding different (or even opposite opinions) about all kinds of topics. And I plan to continue doing so. With respect and without calling names. You're making a "us" and "you" argument here that is not necessary, and it seems you're keeping track of each member in the list, I don't know man... >> want that we don't speak about that kind of topics (it was the same for the code of conduct) **is** political. Me talking about this issue means I don't want to talk about the issue? Â¯\_(ã)_/Â¯ I like etymology and using the right word for the right thing, I made my point before that, and I repeat it just in case, I thought main was more accurate in this context, but I don't share the reasoning behind changing it. And that's all what I'll say about the matter, it's a done fact now, so I deal with it. >> So, you, by *arguing* with me right now, are making it political. Fair enough.

July 22, 2021

Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming

by Bernhard Pieber

Hi Steven, > Am 21.07.2021 um 16:58 schrieb Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io>: > > Le 2021-07-21 16:26, Esteban Maringolo a Ã©crit : > >> but calling people >> names does not foster dialogue, > > Exactly! I don't want to dialogue with nazis and hear their shit, I want them to go away. > > And don't play the naive card: using precise keywords "woke", "woke incursion", "virtue-signalling", etc. are the mark of the nazis calling for more nazis to help them shut social and political actions down. > It is factual. I am not the one insulting. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I am deeply annoyed and offended with Mr. Raus vocabulary and argumentation on the topic. I too see no use whatsoever in trying to argue with these people, and I too want them to go away if they cannot help themselves and shut up about these topics. Thank you for speaking up! Without you I would not have had the courage to state my view. Best regards, Bernhard Pieber >> and certainly doesn't help building a >> stronger community. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:18 AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >> >>> Bullshit bullshit bullshit. >>> >>> It is not about feeling oppressed and stuff, it is about systemic racism that impregnated our vocabulary and that we are trying to get rid off. >>> We should say in the FAQ that we support the idea of the transition but that for now, technically, using "master" is easier with Pharo until anyone from the community takes her time to solve the project. >>> >>> Woke + Virtue-Signalling => nazi words used by nazis to tell other nazis that they should nazify the discussion and kill every effort about any kind of social movement discussion. >>> + typical nazi arguments everywhere in your messages... We're not stupid. >>> >>> Vocabulary and things will change. Pharo is political (in every way), so it has a political dimension and it will be discussed. >>> You can do nothing about it. >>> Just quit. >>> >>> Le 2021-07-21 11:51, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Ugh. Slight history lesson / disambiguation. >>> >>> The phrasing âwoke" actually came from âthe left", first it was being âwoke" about feminism, then this, then that. >>> >>> Then, those who felt oppressed by the sexist arguments of extreme, âwoke" fraction of feminism, or racist arguments of those posing as anti-racists (and I could go on), started to use it as a pejorative, for those pushing insane propaganda, and for the propaganda itself. >>> >>> Then, those who called themselves / their positions âwoke" in the past, started screeching that it is âextreme right vocabulary". >>> >>> As multiple people pointed out, master repository doesn't have anything to do with slavery; as I pointed out there is need to feel butthurt about some words even if your ancestors were affected by the concepts they were also used for. So you points are completely invalid, virtue-signalling garbage. >>> >>> But it usually takes âhaving the lived experience" of the woke garbage turning aginst you, to get one of the indoctrinated to leave their religion. And trying to do so doesn't belong on this forum, I just said what I felt needed to be said. >>> >>> And with this, I'm back to lurking, I just wanted to clearly demonstrate why such debates have no merit (clearly the opposite) on prog. lang. forums/mailing list. >>> >>> Everyone, keep on making Pharo great. >>> >>> From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:47 PM >>> To: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> >>> Cc: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >>> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming >>> >>> So far, no windmill complained about "woke incursions". >>> "Woke" is extremely clear vocabulary, only used by - let us get straight to the point and not waste our time - modern nazis. >>> >>> So, perhaps you misused the word and should document yourself extensively on the subject. >>> But your reply seems to point otherwise. >>> And *you* are the one feeling hurt because we want to recognize that vocabulary has an impact on how we perceive and conceive things. >>> What was that again about cowardise and virtue? :) >>> >>> It is something to cope as we can with an annoying technical situation, it is another thing to ask to not consider political views because they are "woke" (which only purpose is to deny their legitimity without arguing). >>> Does the Pharo community support "anti-woke" argumentation? >>> This needs to be clear so that I can decide to leave the community or not. >>> >>> Or perhaps, that is a misunderstanding. >>> >>> Steven. >>> >>> Le 2021-07-20 20:12, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> it's âhighly probably" somewhere in the territorry of poor understanding, but I wouldn't blame language (don't pretend to be obtuse when you want to be sneakily subversive). >>> >>> I explicitly stated that fighting against _actual_ slavery is better done by other means / elsewhere. Fighting against percieved shadows (âextreme right vocabulary"; or nomenclature that never hurt no-one) is just divisive, and counter-productive on a programming language mailing-list. >>> >>> You can't erase history, and that some words that had negative connotations in the past are used for new, entirely unrelated purposes today is no wonder. >>> >>> As, of course, you can't be bothered to know, I'm member of one of those nations called âSlavic" (.cz in my mail address). You know, you pretender, nations who were enslaved so frequently that the word âslave" came from our enslavement. Do I have a tendency to blame âheirs" of those who enslaved us in the past ? Do I cringe every time the word slave is uttered ? Do you know that some brainwashed individuals in our nation, in sync with todays brainwashing, tried to push the narrative that we (our nation), were colonizers as well ? >>> >>> NO. >>> >>> No-one is gonna make me feel like a victim (or an abuser) because of what happened in the past, before my father was born, etc. >>> >>> Go fight you windmills, Don Q., I just hope the rest of the community won't let themselves be pulled into it. >>> >>> M.R. >>> >>> From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:08 PM >>> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >>> Cc: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming >>> >>> Le 2021-07-19 16:54, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent of the master to main naming convention >>> >>> That's pretty counter-productive. It would be just empty virtue-signalling response to an empty virtue-signalling gesture (that of MS/Github pushing master->main transition). >>> >>> The change would bring absolutely nothing to no-one (except a lot of needless work/friction; and an inroad for future woke incursions). Whomever is having problem with slavery can fight modern-day slavery in ie. Africa / China / etc or sex trafficking in their own country. >>> >>> I'm a bit sorry if I misinterpret what you say because of my poor understanding of english. >>> But I would answer that whomever having a problem with fighting slavery in general should leave the community. >>> Anyone also using and supporting extreme right vocabulary (e.g. "woke") should leave the community. >>> If that's trolling, all the same. >>> >>> If I misinterpreted (non-native english speaker), I am sorry, and probably you will agree with me and there is no need for dicussion. >>> >>> Steven. >>> >>> I'd prefer either nothing in the FAQ, or finite statement to the tune of "no wokeness, we are about merit and not about empty gestures". >>> >>> Of course I expect cowardice & virtue-signalling to win in the end, but at least I tried. >>> >>> M.R. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> >>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:14 PM >>> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >>> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming >>> >>> Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent of the master to main naming convention, but that as we are a small community trying to improve many aspects of 50 years of development, this one had to unfortunately take a back seat for the moment while we simplify other things to make this an easier change? >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On 19 Jul 2021, at 12:26, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> From that perspective this master to main change will cost us a lot of problem. >>> I decided to continue to configure all my repositories to use master >>> and I will do it for any repository that is related to pharo and that people may use. Just to remove such kind of friction. >>> I would encourage people to do the same like that we do not have to think. >>> >>> S >>> >>> On 12 Jul 2021, at 14:32, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> For new GitHub projects the default branch is now main instead of master. >>> >>> There is however code in Metacello / Iceberg / ... that tries a number of options if no branch is specified, but it is not yet aware of this change. >>> >>> Specifically: >>> >>> This does not work >>> >>> ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit >>> BaselineOfReddit >>> >>> instead you have to say >>> >>> ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit:main/ >>> BaselineOfReddit >>> >>> It took me half an hour to figure this out ;-) >>> >>> Sven

July 22, 2021

Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming

by Harald VICAIRE

I agree with Steven, almost everything is political, unfortunately. And getting rid of the vocabulary of oppression in computer science, of course, is close to nothing compared to the real fights for equal rights & justice. But we have to do our part, even if it is not really significant for the people suffering. We have to do it because of the concept words carry. There is no need to talk about master(and slave) for naming computer's concept. I'm not referring to any specific periods or ethnicities enslaved in the past, but the principle of having people dominating others. I believe in cooperation over domination. Open source looks like anarchism by its very nature, and that's great! So let's use words with positive or neutral meanings as open source contributors. That won't make the inequalities disappear overnight but at least that kind of change is meaningful and will make some people realize that words have meanings. Harald Le jeu. 22 juil. 2021 Ã 02:59, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> a Ã©crit : > Le 2021-07-21 16:26, Esteban Maringolo a Ã©crit : > > I agree with the fact that words shape our way of thinking, but how > does master in this context relates to slavery? > > > I would agree that a master/slave disk setup would directly relate to > that, but as I see there are no "slave" branches nor repositories. So > I really don't understand it. > > > Sure, it was randomly chosen. > Perhaps it designates a martial art master, which totally makes sense for > the main branch that controls a software project. > Totally makes sense. > > Of course everybody knows Microsoft does not really care (maybe some of > their employees, I don't know) and that is just marketing (again, maybe not > for people who feel concerned, but I will not speak for them). > In the meantime, if nazis were not trying to shut up the big-picture-idea, > those "discussions" would not happen. > > > As for Pharo being political, I have my doubts, > > > It is political by essence, as an **open-source** project, it is more > political because it promotes a vision, it is even more because it requires > funding that is found by many ways that involve choices and politics. > > Then, the fact that you and your friends (you are a few here) want that we > don't speak about that kind of topics (it was the same for the code of > conduct) **is** political. > So, you, by *arguing* with me right now, are making it political. > > What more do you need? > > > > but calling people > names does not foster dialogue, > > > Exactly! I don't want to dialogue with nazis and hear their shit, I want > them to go away. > > And don't play the naive card: using precise keywords "woke", "woke > incursion", "virtue-signalling", etc. are the mark of the nazis calling for > more nazis to help them shut social and political actions down. > It is factual. I am not the one insulting. > > > > > > > and certainly doesn't help building a > stronger community. > > Best regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:18 AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> > wrote: > > > Bullshit bullshit bullshit. > > It is not about feeling oppressed and stuff, it is about systemic racism > that impregnated our vocabulary and that we are trying to get rid off. > We should say in the FAQ that we support the idea of the transition but > that for now, technically, using "master" is easier with Pharo until anyone > from the community takes her time to solve the project. > > Woke + Virtue-Signalling => nazi words used by nazis to tell other nazis > that they should nazify the discussion and kill every effort about any kind > of social movement discussion. > + typical nazi arguments everywhere in your messages... We're not stupid. > > Vocabulary and things will change. Pharo is political (in every way), so > it has a political dimension and it will be discussed. > You can do nothing about it. > Just quit. > > > > Le 2021-07-21 11:51, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : > > Ugh. Slight history lesson / disambiguation. > > > > The phrasing âwoke" actually came from âthe left", first it was being > âwoke" about feminism, then this, then that. > > Then, those who felt oppressed by the sexist arguments of extreme, âwoke" > fraction of feminism, or racist arguments of those posing as anti-racists > (and I could go on), started to use it as a pejorative, for those pushing > insane propaganda, and for the propaganda itself. > > Then, those who called themselves / their positions âwoke" in the past, > started screeching that it is âextreme right vocabulary". > > > > As multiple people pointed out, master repository doesn't have anything to > do with slavery; as I pointed out there is need to feel butthurt about some > words even if your ancestors were affected by the concepts they were also > used for. So you points are completely invalid, virtue-signalling garbage. > > > > But it usually takes âhaving the lived experience" of the woke garbage > turning aginst you, to get one of the indoctrinated to leave their > religion. And trying to do so doesn't belong on this forum, I just said > what I felt needed to be said. > > > > And with this, I'm back to lurking, I just wanted to clearly demonstrate > why such debates have no merit (clearly the opposite) on prog. lang. > forums/mailing list. > > > > Everyone, keep on making Pharo great. > > > > From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:47 PM > To: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> > Cc: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main > renaming > > > > So far, no windmill complained about "woke incursions". > "Woke" is extremely clear vocabulary, only used by - let us get straight > to the point and not waste our time - modern nazis. > > So, perhaps you misused the word and should document yourself extensively > on the subject. > But your reply seems to point otherwise. > And *you* are the one feeling hurt because we want to recognize that > vocabulary has an impact on how we perceive and conceive things. > What was that again about cowardise and virtue? :) > > It is something to cope as we can with an annoying technical situation, it > is another thing to ask to not consider political views because they are > "woke" (which only purpose is to deny their legitimity without arguing). > Does the Pharo community support "anti-woke" argumentation? > This needs to be clear so that I can decide to leave the community or not. > > Or perhaps, that is a misunderstanding. > > Steven. > > Le 2021-07-20 20:12, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > > > it's âhighly probably" somewhere in the territorry of poor understanding, > but I wouldn't blame language (don't pretend to be obtuse when you want to > be sneakily subversive). > > > > I explicitly stated that fighting against _actual_ slavery is better done > by other means / elsewhere. Fighting against percieved shadows (âextreme > right vocabulary"; or nomenclature that never hurt no-one) is just > divisive, and counter-productive on a programming language mailing-list. > > > > You can't erase history, and that some words that had negative > connotations in the past are used for new, entirely unrelated purposes > today is no wonder. > > > > As, of course, you can't be bothered to know, I'm member of one of those > nations called âSlavic" (.cz in my mail address). You know, you pretender, > nations who were enslaved so frequently that the word âslave" came from our > enslavement. Do I have a tendency to blame âheirs" of those who enslaved us > in the past ? Do I cringe every time the word slave is uttered ? Do you > know that some brainwashed individuals in our nation, in sync with todays > brainwashing, tried to push the narrative that we (our nation), were > colonizers as well ? > > > > NO. > > > > No-one is gonna make me feel like a victim (or an abuser) because of what > happened in the past, before my father was born, etc. > > > > Go fight you windmills, Don Q., I just hope the rest of the community > won't let themselves be pulled into it. > > > > M.R. > > > > From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:08 PM > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main > renaming > > > > Le 2021-07-19 16:54, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : > > Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent > of the master to main naming convention > > That's pretty counter-productive. It would be just empty virtue-signalling > response to an empty virtue-signalling gesture (that of MS/Github pushing > master->main transition). > > The change would bring absolutely nothing to no-one (except a lot of > needless work/friction; and an inroad for future woke incursions). Whomever > is having problem with slavery can fight modern-day slavery in ie. Africa / > China / etc or sex trafficking in their own country. > > > > I'm a bit sorry if I misinterpret what you say because of my poor > understanding of english. > But I would answer that whomever having a problem with fighting slavery in > general should leave the community. > Anyone also using and supporting extreme right vocabulary (e.g. "woke") > should leave the community. > If that's trolling, all the same. > > > > If I misinterpreted (non-native english speaker), I am sorry, and probably > you will agree with me and there is no need for dicussion. > > > > Steven. > > > > > > I'd prefer either nothing in the FAQ, or finite statement to the tune of > "no wokeness, we are about merit and not about empty gestures". > > > Of course I expect cowardice & virtue-signalling to win in the end, but at > least I tried. > > > M.R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:14 PM > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main > renaming > > Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent > of the master to main naming convention, but that as we are a small > community trying to improve many aspects of 50 years of development, this > one had to unfortunately take a back seat for the moment while we simplify > other things to make this an easier change? > > > Tim > > > > On 19 Jul 2021, at 12:26, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > Sven > > From that perspective this master to main change will cost us a lot of > problem. > I decided to continue to configure all my repositories to use master > and I will do it for any repository that is related to pharo and that > people may use. Just to remove such kind of friction. > I would encourage people to do the same like that we do not have to think. > > S > > > > On 12 Jul 2021, at 14:32, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > Hi, > > For new GitHub projects the default branch is now main instead of master. > > There is however code in Metacello / Iceberg / ... that tries a number of > options if no branch is specified, but it is not yet aware of this change. > > Specifically: > > This does not work > > ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit > BaselineOfReddit > > instead you have to say > > ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit:main/ > BaselineOfReddit > > It took me half an hour to figure this out ;-) > > Sven > > > > > > > >

July 22, 2021

FileLocator uninitialised ?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, It seems that in the latest Pharo 9 (downloaded minutes ago) the following: FileLocator desktop resolve. Pops up a dialog asking to set the location of {desktop} manually. I am guessing FileLocator did not properly initialise at startup. It seems it is missing from the session manager. This is bad. Maybe the full list of classes that are supposed to be part of the session manager's start up sequence need to be checked. Such a failure to initialise are sometimes hard to find and can lead to subtle bugs. Sven

July 21, 2021

Re: [Zdc]SocketStream>>#openConnectionToHostNamed:port: no longer signals am exception on macOS

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 13:37, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > Thank you, I will test this soon. I can confirm that it now works again as before: opening a TCP connection to a non-existing host:port gives a NetworkError (ConnectionTimedOut cannot connect to host:port). Thanks again! Sven

July 21, 2021

Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming

by Steven Costiou

Le 2021-07-21 16:26, Esteban Maringolo a Ã©crit : > I agree with the fact that words shape our way of thinking, but how > does master in this context relates to slavery? > I would agree that a master/slave disk setup would directly relate to > that, but as I see there are no "slave" branches nor repositories. So > I really don't understand it. Sure, it was randomly chosen. Perhaps it designates a martial art master, which totally makes sense for the main branch that controls a software project. Totally makes sense. Of course everybody knows Microsoft does not really care (maybe some of their employees, I don't know) and that is just marketing (again, maybe not for people who feel concerned, but I will not speak for them). In the meantime, if nazis were not trying to shut up the big-picture-idea, those "discussions" would not happen. > As for Pharo being political, I have my doubts, It is political by essence, as an **open-source** project, it is more political because it promotes a vision, it is even more because it requires funding that is found by many ways that involve choices and politics. Then, the fact that you and your friends (you are a few here) want that we don't speak about that kind of topics (it was the same for the code of conduct) **is** political. So, you, by *arguing* with me right now, are making it political. What more do you need? > but calling people > names does not foster dialogue, Exactly! I don't want to dialogue with nazis and hear their shit, I want them to go away. And don't play the naive card: using precise keywords "woke", "woke incursion", "virtue-signalling", etc. are the mark of the nazis calling for more nazis to help them shut social and political actions down. It is factual. I am not the one insulting. > and certainly doesn't help building a > stronger community. > > Best regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:18 AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: > >> Bullshit bullshit bullshit. >> >> It is not about feeling oppressed and stuff, it is about systemic racism that impregnated our vocabulary and that we are trying to get rid off. >> We should say in the FAQ that we support the idea of the transition but that for now, technically, using "master" is easier with Pharo until anyone from the community takes her time to solve the project. >> >> Woke + Virtue-Signalling => nazi words used by nazis to tell other nazis that they should nazify the discussion and kill every effort about any kind of social movement discussion. >> + typical nazi arguments everywhere in your messages... We're not stupid. >> >> Vocabulary and things will change. Pharo is political (in every way), so it has a political dimension and it will be discussed. >> You can do nothing about it. >> Just quit. >> >> Le 2021-07-21 11:51, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : >> >> Ugh. Slight history lesson / disambiguation. >> >> The phrasing âwoke" actually came from âthe left", first it was being âwoke" about feminism, then this, then that. >> >> Then, those who felt oppressed by the sexist arguments of extreme, âwoke" fraction of feminism, or racist arguments of those posing as anti-racists (and I could go on), started to use it as a pejorative, for those pushing insane propaganda, and for the propaganda itself. >> >> Then, those who called themselves / their positions âwoke" in the past, started screeching that it is âextreme right vocabulary". >> >> As multiple people pointed out, master repository doesn't have anything to do with slavery; as I pointed out there is need to feel butthurt about some words even if your ancestors were affected by the concepts they were also used for. So you points are completely invalid, virtue-signalling garbage. >> >> But it usually takes âhaving the lived experience" of the woke garbage turning aginst you, to get one of the indoctrinated to leave their religion. And trying to do so doesn't belong on this forum, I just said what I felt needed to be said. >> >> And with this, I'm back to lurking, I just wanted to clearly demonstrate why such debates have no merit (clearly the opposite) on prog. lang. forums/mailing list. >> >> Everyone, keep on making Pharo great. >> >> From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:47 PM >> To: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> >> Cc: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming >> >> So far, no windmill complained about "woke incursions". >> "Woke" is extremely clear vocabulary, only used by - let us get straight to the point and not waste our time - modern nazis. >> >> So, perhaps you misused the word and should document yourself extensively on the subject. >> But your reply seems to point otherwise. >> And *you* are the one feeling hurt because we want to recognize that vocabulary has an impact on how we perceive and conceive things. >> What was that again about cowardise and virtue? :) >> >> It is something to cope as we can with an annoying technical situation, it is another thing to ask to not consider political views because they are "woke" (which only purpose is to deny their legitimity without arguing). >> Does the Pharo community support "anti-woke" argumentation? >> This needs to be clear so that I can decide to leave the community or not. >> >> Or perhaps, that is a misunderstanding. >> >> Steven. >> >> Le 2021-07-20 20:12, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> >> it's âhighly probably" somewhere in the territorry of poor understanding, but I wouldn't blame language (don't pretend to be obtuse when you want to be sneakily subversive). >> >> I explicitly stated that fighting against _actual_ slavery is better done by other means / elsewhere. Fighting against percieved shadows (âextreme right vocabulary"; or nomenclature that never hurt no-one) is just divisive, and counter-productive on a programming language mailing-list. >> >> You can't erase history, and that some words that had negative connotations in the past are used for new, entirely unrelated purposes today is no wonder. >> >> As, of course, you can't be bothered to know, I'm member of one of those nations called âSlavic" (.cz in my mail address). You know, you pretender, nations who were enslaved so frequently that the word âslave" came from our enslavement. Do I have a tendency to blame âheirs" of those who enslaved us in the past ? Do I cringe every time the word slave is uttered ? Do you know that some brainwashed individuals in our nation, in sync with todays brainwashing, tried to push the narrative that we (our nation), were colonizers as well ? >> >> NO. >> >> No-one is gonna make me feel like a victim (or an abuser) because of what happened in the past, before my father was born, etc. >> >> Go fight you windmills, Don Q., I just hope the rest of the community won't let themselves be pulled into it. >> >> M.R. >> >> From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:08 PM >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >> Cc: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming >> >> Le 2021-07-19 16:54, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : >> >> Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent of the master to main naming convention >> >> That's pretty counter-productive. It would be just empty virtue-signalling response to an empty virtue-signalling gesture (that of MS/Github pushing master->main transition). >> >> The change would bring absolutely nothing to no-one (except a lot of needless work/friction; and an inroad for future woke incursions). Whomever is having problem with slavery can fight modern-day slavery in ie. Africa / China / etc or sex trafficking in their own country. >> >> I'm a bit sorry if I misinterpret what you say because of my poor understanding of english. >> But I would answer that whomever having a problem with fighting slavery in general should leave the community. >> Anyone also using and supporting extreme right vocabulary (e.g. "woke") should leave the community. >> If that's trolling, all the same. >> >> If I misinterpreted (non-native english speaker), I am sorry, and probably you will agree with me and there is no need for dicussion. >> >> Steven. >> >> I'd prefer either nothing in the FAQ, or finite statement to the tune of "no wokeness, we are about merit and not about empty gestures". >> >> Of course I expect cowardice & virtue-signalling to win in the end, but at least I tried. >> >> M.R. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:14 PM >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming >> >> Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent of the master to main naming convention, but that as we are a small community trying to improve many aspects of 50 years of development, this one had to unfortunately take a back seat for the moment while we simplify other things to make this an easier change? >> >> Tim >> >> On 19 Jul 2021, at 12:26, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> Sven >> >> From that perspective this master to main change will cost us a lot of problem. >> I decided to continue to configure all my repositories to use master >> and I will do it for any repository that is related to pharo and that people may use. Just to remove such kind of friction. >> I would encourage people to do the same like that we do not have to think. >> >> S >> >> On 12 Jul 2021, at 14:32, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> For new GitHub projects the default branch is now main instead of master. >> >> There is however code in Metacello / Iceberg / ... that tries a number of options if no branch is specified, but it is not yet aware of this change. >> >> Specifically: >> >> This does not work >> >> ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit >> BaselineOfReddit >> >> instead you have to say >> >> ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit:main/ >> BaselineOfReddit >> >> It took me half an hour to figure this out ;-) >> >> Sven

July 21, 2021

[ANN] smalltalkCI now supports Pharo 10

by Esteban Lorenzano

... this is more for Pharo developpers than Pharo users, but informing also users just in case :) https://github.com/hpi-swa/smalltalkCI/pull/538 Esteban

July 21, 2021

Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming

by Esteban Maringolo

I agree with the fact that words shape our way of thinking, but how does master in this context relates to slavery? I would agree that a master/slave disk setup would directly relate to that, but as I see there are no "slave" branches nor repositories. So I really don't understand it. As for Pharo being political, I have my doubts, but calling people names does not foster dialogue, and certainly doesn't help building a stronger community. Best regards, Esteban A. Maringolo On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 7:18 AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: > > Bullshit bullshit bullshit. > > It is not about feeling oppressed and stuff, it is about systemic racism that impregnated our vocabulary and that we are trying to get rid off. > We should say in the FAQ that we support the idea of the transition but that for now, technically, using "master" is easier with Pharo until anyone from the community takes her time to solve the project. > > Woke + Virtue-Signalling => nazi words used by nazis to tell other nazis that they should nazify the discussion and kill every effort about any kind of social movement discussion. > + typical nazi arguments everywhere in your messages... We're not stupid. > > Vocabulary and things will change. Pharo is political (in every way), so it has a political dimension and it will be discussed. > You can do nothing about it. > Just quit. > > > > Le 2021-07-21 11:51, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : > > Ugh. Slight history lesson / disambiguation. > > > > The phrasing âwoke" actually came from âthe left", first it was being âwoke" about feminism, then this, then that. > > Then, those who felt oppressed by the sexist arguments of extreme, âwoke" fraction of feminism, or racist arguments of those posing as anti-racists (and I could go on), started to use it as a pejorative, for those pushing insane propaganda, and for the propaganda itself. > > Then, those who called themselves / their positions âwoke" in the past, started screeching that it is âextreme right vocabulary". > > > > As multiple people pointed out, master repository doesn't have anything to do with slavery; as I pointed out there is need to feel butthurt about some words even if your ancestors were affected by the concepts they were also used for. So you points are completely invalid, virtue-signalling garbage. > > > > But it usually takes âhaving the lived experience" of the woke garbage turning aginst you, to get one of the indoctrinated to leave their religion. And trying to do so doesn't belong on this forum, I just said what I felt needed to be said. > > > > And with this, I'm back to lurking, I just wanted to clearly demonstrate why such debates have no merit (clearly the opposite) on prog. lang. forums/mailing list. > > > > Everyone, keep on making Pharo great. > > > > From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:47 PM > To: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> > Cc: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming > > > > So far, no windmill complained about "woke incursions". > "Woke" is extremely clear vocabulary, only used by - let us get straight to the point and not waste our time - modern nazis. > > So, perhaps you misused the word and should document yourself extensively on the subject. > But your reply seems to point otherwise. > And *you* are the one feeling hurt because we want to recognize that vocabulary has an impact on how we perceive and conceive things. > What was that again about cowardise and virtue? :) > > It is something to cope as we can with an annoying technical situation, it is another thing to ask to not consider political views because they are "woke" (which only purpose is to deny their legitimity without arguing). > Does the Pharo community support "anti-woke" argumentation? > This needs to be clear so that I can decide to leave the community or not. > > Or perhaps, that is a misunderstanding. > > Steven. > > Le 2021-07-20 20:12, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > > > it's âhighly probably" somewhere in the territorry of poor understanding, but I wouldn't blame language (don't pretend to be obtuse when you want to be sneakily subversive). > > > > I explicitly stated that fighting against _actual_ slavery is better done by other means / elsewhere. Fighting against percieved shadows (âextreme right vocabulary"; or nomenclature that never hurt no-one) is just divisive, and counter-productive on a programming language mailing-list. > > > > You can't erase history, and that some words that had negative connotations in the past are used for new, entirely unrelated purposes today is no wonder. > > > > As, of course, you can't be bothered to know, I'm member of one of those nations called âSlavic" (.cz in my mail address). You know, you pretender, nations who were enslaved so frequently that the word âslave" came from our enslavement. Do I have a tendency to blame âheirs" of those who enslaved us in the past ? Do I cringe every time the word slave is uttered ? Do you know that some brainwashed individuals in our nation, in sync with todays brainwashing, tried to push the narrative that we (our nation), were colonizers as well ? > > > > NO. > > > > No-one is gonna make me feel like a victim (or an abuser) because of what happened in the past, before my father was born, etc. > > > > Go fight you windmills, Don Q., I just hope the rest of the community won't let themselves be pulled into it. > > > > M.R. > > > > From: Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 4:08 PM > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: RauÅ¡ Miloslav <Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming > > > > Le 2021-07-19 16:54, Miloslav.Raus(a)cuzk.cz a Ã©crit : > > Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent of the master to main naming convention > > That's pretty counter-productive. It would be just empty virtue-signalling response to an empty virtue-signalling gesture (that of MS/Github pushing master->main transition). > > The change would bring absolutely nothing to no-one (except a lot of needless work/friction; and an inroad for future woke incursions). Whomever is having problem with slavery can fight modern-day slavery in ie. Africa / China / etc or sex trafficking in their own country. > > > > I'm a bit sorry if I misinterpret what you say because of my poor understanding of english. > But I would answer that whomever having a problem with fighting slavery in general should leave the community. > Anyone also using and supporting extreme right vocabulary (e.g. "woke") should leave the community. > If that's trolling, all the same. > > > > If I misinterpreted (non-native english speaker), I am sorry, and probably you will agree with me and there is no need for dicussion. > > > > Steven. > > > > > > I'd prefer either nothing in the FAQ, or finite statement to the tune of "no wokeness, we are about merit and not about empty gestures". > > > Of course I expect cowardice & virtue-signalling to win in the end, but at least I tried. > > > M.R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:14 PM > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Re: Metacello / Iceberg / GitHub master to main renaming > > Maybe it's worth putting something in an faq - that we support the intent of the master to main naming convention, but that as we are a small community trying to improve many aspects of 50 years of development, this one had to unfortunately take a back seat for the moment while we simplify other things to make this an easier change? > > > Tim > > > > On 19 Jul 2021, at 12:26, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Sven > > From that perspective this master to main change will cost us a lot of problem. > I decided to continue to configure all my repositories to use master > and I will do it for any repository that is related to pharo and that people may use. Just to remove such kind of friction. > I would encourage people to do the same like that we do not have to think. > > S > > > > On 12 Jul 2021, at 14:32, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > Hi, > > For new GitHub projects the default branch is now main instead of master. > > There is however code in Metacello / Iceberg / ... that tries a number of options if no branch is specified, but it is not yet aware of this change. > > Specifically: > > This does not work > > ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit > BaselineOfReddit > > instead you have to say > > ./pharo reddit.image metacello install github://svenvc/Reddit:main/ > BaselineOfReddit > > It took me half an hour to figure this out ;-) > > Sven > > > > > >

July 21, 2021

Re: [Zdc]SocketStream>>#openConnectionToHostNamed:port: no longer signals am exception on macOS

by tesonep＠gmail.com

I changed the event handling in osx and windows, Linux uses the same old code, but I don't discard there is a bug there or elsewhere ð I have been following this issue, I have it in my list. I have just started with the easier ones. On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 13:37 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi Pablo, > > Thank you, I will test this soon. > > Is there any chance that there were also network changes in the Linux VM ? > Perhaps also related to "detecting exceptions and out-of-band data". > > We keep on struggling with > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/9565 where it seems that > the same code runs fine on Pharo 7 and 8, while it seems to fail on Pharo 9. > > Sven > > > On 21 Jul 2021, at 13:06, tesonep(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > I have done a new release with the fix for the socket connection. > > It was an issue in the kqueue code in OSX. > > It was wrongly detecting exceptions and out-of-band data. > > Please if you can update the VM and test it should be working. > > > > Cheers > > Pablo > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:13 PM Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi Pablo, > > > > yes - Sven is right on that it could be improved. Thanks for taking > > care of this important topic. > > > > Cheers, > > Torsten > > > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 19. Juli 2021 um 11:46 Uhr > > Von: "tesonep(a)gmail.com" <tesonep(a)gmail.com> > > An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > > Betreff: [Pharo-dev] Re: > [Zdc]SocketStream>>#openConnectionToHostNamed:port: no longer signals am > exception on macOS > > Thanks, yes it is true, the version name is a mess. > > We need to improve the version display. > > I will take note of that and I will fix it. > > > > Cheers, > > Pablo > > > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:08 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > Hi Pablo, > > > > prometheus:2021-07-16 sven$ ./pharo --version > > Pharo 9.0.0 built on Jul 6 2021 10:36:56 Compiler: 4.2.1 Compatible > Apple LLVM 11.0.3 (clang-1103.0.32.29) > > Built from: ea8a3bfc - Commit: ea8a3bfc - Date: 2021-07-06 10:23:13 +0200 > > prometheus:2021-07-16 sven$ ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion > > [version] 'Pharo9.0.0' > 'Pharo-9.0.0+build.1532.sha.e58ef49051bf06cad56a2dda174b8e091a45d5df (64 > Bit)' > > prometheus:2021-07-16 sven$ ./pharo Pharo.image eval "(ZdcSocketStream > openConnectionToHostNamed: 'localhost' port: 12335) nextPut: 0; close. #foo" > > > > I have said this before, but the VM version is incomprehensible for > normal people, why can't it just be something like 10.1 like the rest of > the world ? > > > > Also, for mere mortals it is impossible to find out if something changed > about the VM, let alone what, and how that all relates to specific versions. > > > > I know that you guys have a lot of work, and we are very grateful for > it, but this is how it looks from the outside. > > > > Thx, > > > > Sven > > > > > On 19 Jul 2021, at 10:56, tesonep(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > with the new VM I could not reproduce it. I think it was related > with the issue of the NetNameResolver. > > > Which VM version are you using? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 3:51 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > It seems that the following consistently crashes a recent/latest Pharo > 9 image/vm on macOS: > > > > > > (ZdcSocketStream openConnectionToHostNamed: 'localhost' port: 12335) > nextPut: 0; close. > > > > > > Command line, you can try it as follows: > > > > > > $ ./pharo Pharo.image eval "(ZdcSocketStream > openConnectionToHostNamed: 'localhost' port: 12335) nextPut: 0; close. #foo" > > > > > > You can replace ZdcSocketStream by SocketStream, same result. > > > > > > Before, trying to connect to a non-existing host:port resulted in a > ConnectionTimedOut: Cannot connect to 127.0.0.1:12335. > > > > > > Now, the code just returns and the bad stream is then used as if it is > OK, which results in a hard crash. > > > > > > Furthermore, there is no backtrace nor log. > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Pablo Tesone. > > > tesonep(a)gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Pablo Tesone. > > tesonep(a)gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Pablo Tesone. > > tesonep(a)gmail.com >

July 21, 2021