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Re: [Pharo-dev] possible Windows Update "1903" Iceberg problem

by ducasse

Hi ben in the pharo launcher if you click on P8.0 (development version) you get access to all the builds. Stef > On 16 Aug 2019, at 16:02, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > IThis morning the May 2019 Windows Update "1903" forced itself onto my computer and now 64-bits Pharo seems to have a problem with git_remote_fetch() FFI callout. I no longer have a non-1903 machine to directly compare behaviour before "1903". Can someone familiar with this area with both "pre-1903" and "1903" machines triage whether "1903" is indeed the cause? > > A few other recent reports are noted here... > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/3418 <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/3418> > > cheers -ben

Aug. 17, 2019

possible Windows Update "1903" Iceberg problem

by Ben Coman

IThis morning the May 2019 Windows Update "1903" forced itself onto my computer and now 64-bits Pharo seems to have a problem with git_remote_fetch() FFI callout. I no longer have a non-1903 machine to directly compare behaviour before "1903". Can someone familiar with this area with both "pre-1903" and "1903" machines triage whether "1903" is indeed the cause? A few other recent reports are noted here... https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/3418 cheers -ben

Aug. 16, 2019

[Pharo 8.0] Build #636: code-completion-refactoring-changes

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #636 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #4330 was integrated: "code-completion-refactoring-changes" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4330 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/code Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Aug. 16, 2019

[Pharo 8.0] Build #635: Adding a variation of trait sequence composition that has preference for one of the members.

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #635 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #4163 was integrated: "Adding a variation of trait sequence composition that has preference for one of the members." Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4163 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/extending Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Aug. 15, 2019

[Pharo 8.0] Build #634: Move Abstract refactoring command to SystemCommands-VariableCommands package

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #634 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #4328 was integrated: "Move Abstract refactoring command to SystemCommands-VariableCommands package" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4328 Issue Url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues/FixAbstractRefactoringCommand Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] machine learning for code completion

by Myroslava Romaniuk

Hi Mariano Yeah, that was probably the first thing i have ever looked at in regards to code completion because the beginning of this journey for me was figuring out the difference between regular and OCompletion (NEC, that used to be the default until a month and a half ago, & NOC, as they are called). The funny thing is, the code for OCompletion was actually still in Pharo until we removed it like a month ago, but using it was disabled by default. I don't think i've ever really used it myself but i understand the concerns :) There was some brainstorming for it, but mostly last summer. This summer we focused on making the replacement for NEC work well, and so working on OCompletion got pushed back super far because we haven't thought there'd be so many things to fix. So i don't really have a good answer for you at the moment but hopefully will have something more to say sometime not too far in the future. We still want to work on it :) The thing to remember is that both NEC and NOC implementations were complex to the point of being horrible, so there's a chance if we just simplify NOC too and impose some limits for storing the results, as well as do proper caching, it might not be horrible after all. But it needs work. On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 19:53, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Myroslava, > > That sounds very interesting. I guess you did take a look to Romain Robbes > work on OCompletion, right? > I have used it for a long time, many years ago, and AFAIR we had to remove > it from Pharo. It had lots of issues with the memory used to keep track of > your "history" in order to be "smart". There were memory leaks and some > other stuff. And at the end of the day, from what I remember, it was never > really "smart"... > Have you thought how to address that correctly? > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:52 PM Christopher Fuhrman < > christopher.fuhrman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> +1 for the completion of framework (spec) constructs. >> >> https://tabnine.com/blog/deep >> >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 12:33 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It certainly would be interesting! >>> >>> The other thing to look for are completion of larger constructs. For >>> example, in the context of Spec, I am sure you can complete larger >>> templates for various methods. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:48 AM, ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > hello miroslava >>> > >>> > you take a NLP approach and I do not know if it will be working >>> > Now people like proksch and mezini took a statiscal approach. >>> > I would really like to see if we can apply the same technics to Pharo >>> completion and >>> > measure the difference. It could be a really nice master (even from a >>> data scientist point of view) >>> > >>> > <Recommander-a3-proksch.pdf> >>> > >>> >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 00:01, Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> From: Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >>> >> Subject: machine learning for code completion >>> >> Date: 15 August 2019 at 00:01:23 CEST >>> >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> for anyone interested, made a blog post about researching some of the >>> existing approaches of combining ML to improve code completion. in pharo we >>> want to try training the n-gram model. have a slight idea of how it might >>> be implemented in practice but mostly still trying to figure it out, so if >>> anyone else has some suggestions/ideas/tips that would be great >>> >> >>> >> link for the blog post : >>> https://medium.com/@myroslavarm/machine-learning-for-code-completion-258379… >>> >> >>> >> cheers, >>> >> myroslava >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> feenk.com >>> >>> "Innovation comes in the least expected form. >>> That is, if it is expected, it already happened." >>> >>> >>> > > -- > Mariano Martinez Peck > Email: marianopeck(a)gmail.com > Twitter: @MartinezPeck > LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/> > Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/ > -- Ð Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð³Ð¾Ñ, ÐÐ¸ÑÐ¾ÑÐ»Ð°Ð²Ð° Ð Ð¾Ð¼Ð°Ð½ÑÐº.

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] machine learning for code completion

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Myroslava, That sounds very interesting. I guess you did take a look to Romain Robbes work on OCompletion, right? I have used it for a long time, many years ago, and AFAIR we had to remove it from Pharo. It had lots of issues with the memory used to keep track of your "history" in order to be "smart". There were memory leaks and some other stuff. And at the end of the day, from what I remember, it was never really "smart"... Have you thought how to address that correctly? On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:52 PM Christopher Fuhrman < christopher.fuhrman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > +1 for the completion of framework (spec) constructs. > > https://tabnine.com/blog/deep > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 12:33 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It certainly would be interesting! >> >> The other thing to look for are completion of larger constructs. For >> example, in the context of Spec, I am sure you can complete larger >> templates for various methods. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> > On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:48 AM, ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >> > >> > hello miroslava >> > >> > you take a NLP approach and I do not know if it will be working >> > Now people like proksch and mezini took a statiscal approach. >> > I would really like to see if we can apply the same technics to Pharo >> completion and >> > measure the difference. It could be a really nice master (even from a >> data scientist point of view) >> > >> > <Recommander-a3-proksch.pdf> >> > >> >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 00:01, Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >> >> Subject: machine learning for code completion >> >> Date: 15 August 2019 at 00:01:23 CEST >> >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> for anyone interested, made a blog post about researching some of the >> existing approaches of combining ML to improve code completion. in pharo we >> want to try training the n-gram model. have a slight idea of how it might >> be implemented in practice but mostly still trying to figure it out, so if >> anyone else has some suggestions/ideas/tips that would be great >> >> >> >> link for the blog post : >> https://medium.com/@myroslavarm/machine-learning-for-code-completion-258379… >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> myroslava >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> feenk.com >> >> "Innovation comes in the least expected form. >> That is, if it is expected, it already happened." >> >> >> -- Mariano Martinez Peck Email: marianopeck(a)gmail.com Twitter: @MartinezPeck LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/> Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] machine learning for code completion

by Myroslava Romaniuk

Hi Stef, thanks for the paper, i'll check it out. I agree that there's many cool things that can be still done statistically, but the ML/NLP approach should be worth trying out, too. Maybe it will give good results, maybe it will turn out to be not applicable to Pharo for whatever reason... But the point is that now the code completion architecture is definitely simpler and more scalable, and especially because of the sorter plugin it will be easy to work on any sorting strategy and then make it one of the options. There's indeed a lot of work that can be done in measuring different strategies and seeing what works better as there's still not *that* much research on the topic. Tudor and Cris, yeah i haven't really worked with Spec in a while but i get what you mean. I agree it would be great to have that! There's still tons and tons of improvements that could be made, as you say, regarding completing larger templates, but also doing convenient tab usage for jumping between parts of larger templates or even for things like ifTrue:ifFalse:, possible snippet (method name shorthand) completion, etc etc. I'm always happy to extend the todo list haha. Oh and FYI, at ESUG on friday at noon Marcus and i will be doing a presentation about what's been done and also what we want to do in the nearest future so i hope some people stick around even though it's the last day :) Best, Myroslava On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 18:52, Christopher Fuhrman < christopher.fuhrman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > +1 for the completion of framework (spec) constructs. > > https://tabnine.com/blog/deep > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 12:33 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It certainly would be interesting! >> >> The other thing to look for are completion of larger constructs. For >> example, in the context of Spec, I am sure you can complete larger >> templates for various methods. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> > On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:48 AM, ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: >> > >> > hello miroslava >> > >> > you take a NLP approach and I do not know if it will be working >> > Now people like proksch and mezini took a statiscal approach. >> > I would really like to see if we can apply the same technics to Pharo >> completion and >> > measure the difference. It could be a really nice master (even from a >> data scientist point of view) >> > >> > <Recommander-a3-proksch.pdf> >> > >> >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 00:01, Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >> >> Subject: machine learning for code completion >> >> Date: 15 August 2019 at 00:01:23 CEST >> >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> for anyone interested, made a blog post about researching some of the >> existing approaches of combining ML to improve code completion. in pharo we >> want to try training the n-gram model. have a slight idea of how it might >> be implemented in practice but mostly still trying to figure it out, so if >> anyone else has some suggestions/ideas/tips that would be great >> >> >> >> link for the blog post : >> https://medium.com/@myroslavarm/machine-learning-for-code-completion-258379… >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> myroslava >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> feenk.com >> >> "Innovation comes in the least expected form. >> That is, if it is expected, it already happened." >> >> >> -- Ð Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð³Ð¾Ñ, ÐÐ¸ÑÐ¾ÑÐ»Ð°Ð²Ð° Ð Ð¾Ð¼Ð°Ð½ÑÐº.

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] machine learning for code completion

by Christopher Fuhrman

+1 for the completion of framework (spec) constructs. https://tabnine.com/blog/deep On Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 12:33 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > It certainly would be interesting! > > The other thing to look for are completion of larger constructs. For > example, in the context of Spec, I am sure you can complete larger > templates for various methods. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:48 AM, ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: > > > > hello miroslava > > > > you take a NLP approach and I do not know if it will be working > > Now people like proksch and mezini took a statiscal approach. > > I would really like to see if we can apply the same technics to Pharo > completion and > > measure the difference. It could be a really nice master (even from a > data scientist point of view) > > > > <Recommander-a3-proksch.pdf> > > > >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 00:01, Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> > >> Subject: machine learning for code completion > >> Date: 15 August 2019 at 00:01:23 CEST > >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > >> > >> > >> for anyone interested, made a blog post about researching some of the > existing approaches of combining ML to improve code completion. in pharo we > want to try training the n-gram model. have a slight idea of how it might > be implemented in practice but mostly still trying to figure it out, so if > anyone else has some suggestions/ideas/tips that would be great > >> > >> link for the blog post : > https://medium.com/@myroslavarm/machine-learning-for-code-completion-258379… > >> > >> cheers, > >> myroslava > >> > >> > > > > -- > feenk.com > > "Innovation comes in the least expected form. > That is, if it is expected, it already happened." > > >

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] machine learning for code completion

by Tudor Girba

Hi, It certainly would be interesting! The other thing to look for are completion of larger constructs. For example, in the context of Spec, I am sure you can complete larger templates for various methods. Cheers, Doru > On Aug 15, 2019, at 8:48 AM, ducasse <stepharo(a)netcourrier.com> wrote: > > hello miroslava > > you take a NLP approach and I do not know if it will be working > Now people like proksch and mezini took a statiscal approach. > I would really like to see if we can apply the same technics to Pharo completion and > measure the difference. It could be a really nice master (even from a data scientist point of view) > > <Recommander-a3-proksch.pdf> > >> On 15 Aug 2019, at 00:01, Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> wrote: >> >> >> From: Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> >> Subject: machine learning for code completion >> Date: 15 August 2019 at 00:01:23 CEST >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> >> >> >> for anyone interested, made a blog post about researching some of the existing approaches of combining ML to improve code completion. in pharo we want to try training the n-gram model. have a slight idea of how it might be implemented in practice but mostly still trying to figure it out, so if anyone else has some suggestions/ideas/tips that would be great >> >> link for the blog post : https://medium.com/@myroslavarm/machine-learning-for-code-completion-258379… >> >> cheers, >> myroslava >> >> > -- feenk.com "Innovation comes in the least expected form. That is, if it is expected, it already happened."

Aug. 15, 2019