June 2018 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

On 01/06/2018 15:25, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: > Hi, > > I really love this idea. I've already added (hacked together) something > similar for some of my projects so I am happy to see this is going into > Pharo. > >> - Make it parametrizable to allow users to build a bar with their ownÂ menu builder > > I would love if it was possible to somewhere (Settings?) just specify a > pragma that should be used for the construction of the menu... or > perhaps even a list of pragmas. That way the existing mechanism can be > simply reused and custom menus can be created just as easily. > I think this should be very easy to add. > I don't know if it should be in the SettingBrowser since Pharo currently comes with only one menu (if someone know how to implement a new one it will be easy for him to find the option to change the pragma of the MenuBarMorph), but the pragma should be parametrizable in any case. > I would really love to have this option also for the regular world menu, > but I didn't find a way to easily achieve that. > >>Â - What do we do when Pharo is not wide enough? > > Hamburger menu? I'll rephrase, we have ideas to manage all those problems but how do we implement it? Currently there is no widget to do that and sadly we don't have enough time to create them :( > >>Â - What to do when a window is dragged behind? > > Currently you cannot drag window above the top side (which I've learned > only now :-D ), so the constraint would just move a bit lower? Yes, but for now when can detect a drop on the menu bar only if the cursor is over the MenubarMorph. If the user drop the window by dragging the bottom, the top of the windows will be under the MenubarMorph. > > Also, is it (easily) possible to configure the position of the menu? > Both top/down, as well as RTL and LTR direction (or right-aligned LTR) > which I mentioned for the bottom menu in an earlier github discussion. > For now I don't think so. I think it would be cool to integrate this first version then everyone can try to improve it. > Peter > > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

On 01/06/2018 15:18, Alistair Grant wrote: > Hi Guille & Cyril, > > Thanks for this. Along with being able to maximise windows > completely, making the task-bar distinct at the bottom, these are > great changes. > Yes, I did not see the problem because I use backgrounds and it was visible :) > Instead of a menu bar at the top, which takes quite a bit of space, > and as mentioned may not fit on a small screen (especially if > applications add entries), how about a "Start" button in the task-bar > that pops up the menu a-la Windows? I'm not tied to the name "Start", > it could just be an earth icon, which would save space. (This is > actually how I interpreted Cyril's original suggestion) > Personally, I would like to have display strategies for the WorldMenu and the user could select the one he likes (because nobody will agree on UI). For example: - Menu bar strategy - World menu strategy - Start button strategy - Composite strategy to have multiple ones Now it is simple to do the two first, but I will probably not have the time to implement the "Start button" one. > Cheers, > Alistair > > > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

June 1, 2018

[Pharo 7.0-dev] Build #998: 20324-Handy-file-automatic-numbering

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #998 was: SUCCESS. The Pull Request #1460 was integrated: "20324-Handy-file-automatic-numbering" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1460 Issue Url: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20324 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Torsten Bergmann

>Guille & Cyril wrote> > > Since some decades now the default way to display a menu in applications > > is to have a bar at the top of the windows. Alistair wrote >> Instead of a menu bar at the top, which takes quite a bit of space, >> and as mentioned may not fit on a small screen how about a "Start" >button in the task-bar that pops up the menu a-la Windows So this basically reduces to the two UI options: 1. Should Pharo look like an application (and have the menu at the top) 2. Should Pharo look like an OS itself (with a primary "Start" menu in the taskbar as on Windows) Maybe we should support both styles using a setting. Bye T.

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> - For those that "get it" they try to do it with right click (Of course, it looks like a context menu!) and that does not work I thought that this was due to be swapped for Pharo 7? Was that idea scraped? Peter On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guille & Cyril, > > On 1 June 2018 at 14:22, Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > With Guille we are trying to improve the usability of the WorldMenu. > > > > The world menu is by large un-intuitive: > > - Users are not used to click on a background to open a menu > > - For those that "get it" they try to do it with right click (Of > > course, it looks like a context menu!) and that does not work > > > > Since some decades now the default way to display a menu in applications > > is to have a bar at the top of the windows. We should change that world > > menu by a menu bar like any application. That will lower the entrance > > barrier to new users, at the cost of having to move the cursor to the > > top to look for the menu... > > > > You can find here a PR that add the WorldMenu as a top bar to Pharo and > > reorganize it: > > > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1470 > > > > See screen in the PR. > > > > It still have room for improvements but we think it's stable enough for > > integration in Pharo. > > > > Missing features: > > - What do we do when Pharo is not wide enough? > > - What to do when a window is dragged behind? > > - Make it parametrizable to allow users to build a bar with their own > > menu builder > > - Add shortcuts to open the menu windows like (maybe) > > - Update it when we change the font size (this is a general Pharo > problem) > > > > Feedback is welcome. > > Thanks for this. Along with being able to maximise windows > completely, making the task-bar distinct at the bottom, these are > great changes. > > Instead of a menu bar at the top, which takes quite a bit of space, > and as mentioned may not fit on a small screen (especially if > applications add entries), how about a "Start" button in the task-bar > that pops up the menu a-la Windows? I'm not tied to the name "Start", > it could just be an earth icon, which would save space. (This is > actually how I interpreted Cyril's original suggestion) > > Cheers, > Alistair > > > > > Related issue: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/22038/Replace-World-Menu-by-Menu-bar > > > > Guille & Cyril > > > > -- > > Cyril Ferlicot > > https://ferlicot.fr > > > >

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, I really love this idea. I've already added (hacked together) something similar for some of my projects so I am happy to see this is going into Pharo. > - Make it parametrizable to allow users to build a bar with their own menu builder I would love if it was possible to somewhere (Settings?) just specify a pragma that should be used for the construction of the menu... or perhaps even a list of pragmas. That way the existing mechanism can be simply reused and custom menus can be created just as easily. I think this should be very easy to add. I would really love to have this option also for the regular world menu, but I didn't find a way to easily achieve that. > - What do we do when Pharo is not wide enough? Hamburger menu? > - What to do when a window is dragged behind? Currently you cannot drag window above the top side (which I've learned only now :-D ), so the constraint would just move a bit lower? Also, is it (easily) possible to configure the position of the menu? Both top/down, as well as RTL and LTR direction (or right-aligned LTR) which I mentioned for the bottom menu in an earlier github discussion. Peter On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > With Guille we are trying to improve the usability of the WorldMenu. > > The world menu is by large un-intuitive: > - Users are not used to click on a background to open a menu > - For those that "get it" they try to do it with right click (Of > course, it looks like a context menu!) and that does not work > > Since some decades now the default way to display a menu in applications > is to have a bar at the top of the windows. We should change that world > menu by a menu bar like any application. That will lower the entrance > barrier to new users, at the cost of having to move the cursor to the > top to look for the menu... > > You can find here a PR that add the WorldMenu as a top bar to Pharo and > reorganize it: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1470 > > See screen in the PR. > > It still have room for improvements but we think it's stable enough for > integration in Pharo. > > Missing features: > - What do we do when Pharo is not wide enough? > - What to do when a window is dragged behind? > - Make it parametrizable to allow users to build a bar with their own > menu builder > - Add shortcuts to open the menu windows like (maybe) > - Update it when we change the font size (this is a general Pharo problem) > > Feedback is welcome. > > Related issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/22038/Replace-World-Menu-by-Menu-bar > > Guille & Cyril > > -- > Cyril Ferlicot > https://ferlicot.fr > >

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Alistair Grant

Hi Guille & Cyril, On 1 June 2018 at 14:22, Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > With Guille we are trying to improve the usability of the WorldMenu. > > The world menu is by large un-intuitive: > - Users are not used to click on a background to open a menu > - For those that "get it" they try to do it with right click (Of > course, it looks like a context menu!) and that does not work > > Since some decades now the default way to display a menu in applications > is to have a bar at the top of the windows. We should change that world > menu by a menu bar like any application. That will lower the entrance > barrier to new users, at the cost of having to move the cursor to the > top to look for the menu... > > You can find here a PR that add the WorldMenu as a top bar to Pharo and > reorganize it: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1470 > > See screen in the PR. > > It still have room for improvements but we think it's stable enough for > integration in Pharo. > > Missing features: > - What do we do when Pharo is not wide enough? > - What to do when a window is dragged behind? > - Make it parametrizable to allow users to build a bar with their own > menu builder > - Add shortcuts to open the menu windows like (maybe) > - Update it when we change the font size (this is a general Pharo problem) > > Feedback is welcome. Thanks for this. Along with being able to maximise windows completely, making the task-bar distinct at the bottom, these are great changes. Instead of a menu bar at the top, which takes quite a bit of space, and as mentioned may not fit on a small screen (especially if applications add entries), how about a "Start" button in the task-bar that pops up the menu a-la Windows? I'm not tied to the name "Start", it could just be an earth icon, which would save space. (This is actually how I interpreted Cyril's original suggestion) Cheers, Alistair > Related issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/22038/Replace-World-Menu-by-Menu-bar > > Guille & Cyril > > -- > Cyril Ferlicot > https://ferlicot.fr >

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Updated syntax postcard

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Thank you! It's really nice! On 01/06/2018 07:56, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > Hi, > > for the Wikipedia article I prepared an updated version of Phar syntax > postcard: > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Pharo_syntax_postcard.s… > > Cheers, > -- Pavel -- Esteban A. Maringolo

June 1, 2018

[PROPOSAL] Put the WorldMenu in a Menu bar

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

Hi everyone, With Guille we are trying to improve the usability of the WorldMenu. The world menu is by large un-intuitive: - Users are not used to click on a background to open a menu - For those that "get it" they try to do it with right click (Of course, it looks like a context menu!) and that does not work Since some decades now the default way to display a menu in applications is to have a bar at the top of the windows. We should change that world menu by a menu bar like any application. That will lower the entrance barrier to new users, at the cost of having to move the cursor to the top to look for the menu... You can find here a PR that add the WorldMenu as a top bar to Pharo and reorganize it: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1470 See screen in the PR. It still have room for improvements but we think it's stable enough for integration in Pharo. Missing features: - What do we do when Pharo is not wide enough? - What to do when a window is dragged behind? - Make it parametrizable to allow users to build a bar with their own menu builder - Add shortcuts to open the menu windows like (maybe) - Update it when we change the font size (this is a general Pharo problem) Feedback is welcome. Related issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/22038/Replace-World-Menu-by-Menu-bar Guille & Cyril -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

June 1, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Updated syntax postcard

by Sean P. DeNigris

Pavel Krivanek-3 wrote > syntax postcard: Ha ha, I love the real-postcard look! Two things: 1. "metod name" at the top is missing an $h 2. Might it be worthwhile to add something like "compile-time" to "literal array" to better distinguish from "array generate at runtime"? ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

June 1, 2018