April 2018 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] call for help: answer on HN :)

by Serge Stinckwich

I guess the more Pharo will be known, the more we will have FUD. I think we should ignore them most of the time. What is problematic here is personal attack with anonymous alias ... Regards On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I tend to not care about people pissing on me via a pseudo. This is > too easy and too microscopic to have any value. > Thanks Philippe, Luke and Ben because you use your real names. > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > yesterday someone posted an article on HN about the Pharo MOOC and there > has > > been some negative posts there. > > I would like to call people who can have the time to answer there and > help > > to explain better and also contribute to contest that FUD someones (we > know > > who they areâ¦ sames as always) are spreading. > > > > here the link : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16754872 > > > > (this is not loosing time, people searching for Pharo will likely see > this > > kind of messagesâ¦ at least we need to offer our point of view) > > > > cheers! > > Esteban > > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (SU/IRD/UY1) "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute."http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

April 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo7] halt inside and outside tests

by Stephane Ducasse

Marcus I think that the if is important because I had hard time to understand how I should use it and I proposed them. On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 9:10 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > On 3 Apr 2018, at 21:56, Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > Nice addition! > I should say that names are not really intention revealing. > What about haltIfTestExecutionEnvironment and > haltIfDefaultExecutionEnvironment ? > > To long and too implementation centered. > > I would even shorten it to haltIfTest and haltIfNotTest. > > Le 2 avr. 2018 Ã 21:12, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > As we can not very easily decide if we are inside a test execution or not > there was the idea to have special #halt messages > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20151/new-halt-messages > > This PR implements them: > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1177 > > There is now #haltIfInsideTest and #haltfOutsideTest. In addition, the PR > adds a helper method to make checking if the current > execution environment is a test run a bit easier: > "CurrentExecutionEnvironment value isTestâ. > > Marcus > > >

April 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo7] halt inside and outside tests

by Stephane Ducasse

We do not plan to remove self halt. We plan to have better code expansion :) like ctrl sh => self halt :) Stef On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 April 2018 at 22:20, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> If we remove self halt, then I won't be able to use `1halt.`. :-D which is >> actually what I always do, because writing `self halt` is 4 characters tooo >> long. :) >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote >>> > Would it be possible to instead have a #haltIf object to which you can >>> > send >>> > additional conditions? >>> >>> Maybe we could use that as an excuse to clean more halting out of object >>> completely e.g. >>> self halt now >>> self halt once >>> self halt ifInsideTest >>> self halt ifOutsideTest >>> self halt xyz >>> >>> Although IIRC when we first started cleaning the idea was too eventually >>> remove all halt-related stuff from Object and only have `Halt xyz`. At the >>> time, it seemed that was a little too scary, but even today I do not >>> understand what objectively is gained by `self halt` vs. `Halt now`â¦ > > One (very small) advantage of having 'self halt' is that a few times > I've had a single, long, expression that I want to halt in, and since > #halt returns self it is easy to insert it in the middle of an > expression. > > Cheers, > Alistair >

April 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] call for help: answer on HN :)

by Stephane Ducasse

I tend to not care about people pissing on me via a pseudo. This is too easy and too microscopic to have any value. Thanks Philippe, Luke and Ben because you use your real names. On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > yesterday someone posted an article on HN about the Pharo MOOC and there has > been some negative posts there. > I would like to call people who can have the time to answer there and help > to explain better and also contribute to contest that FUD someones (we know > who they areâ¦ sames as always) are spreading. > > here the link : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16754872 > > (this is not loosing time, people searching for Pharo will likely see this > kind of messagesâ¦ at least we need to offer our point of view) > > cheers! > Esteban

April 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Executive Programming

by Stephane Ducasse

Ben what would be interesting to build is a case: what a Boss would like to code? Because once we have this case we could model it and have a DSL (pharo) to script it. Stef On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > This article about the "Mining Industry's Impending Digital Metamorphosis" > https://medium.com/@CORE_Innovation/minings-impending-metamorphosis-155d668… > > is a little off topic, except where it says "All levels, including > management and executives will need to have some level coding experience and > understanding." > > made me think this must be pervasive across many industries and that an > interesting strategy > for Pharo would be teaching a course called... "Executive Programming". > Pharo could be ideally suited to filling this niche... > * Executives don't need to learn the *most* efficient language (i.e. C), > * and don't need to learn a system suited to large groups of developers > (i.e. Java) > * and don't have the time to wait for things to compile (i.e. big tick > immediate feedback) > They are never going to "do the work" but just need to gain a general > understanding of "programming" to better strategise at a higher level and > interact with developers. > What better language is there for this than Pharo? > > But guess what happens when the boss is familiar with and likes one > particular language... ? > > /cue maniacal laugh > > cheers -ben > > P.S. I'd be interested in collaborating on something that is not an end user > book, but more of an Instructors manual for such a course.

April 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] New Pharo 6.1 version

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

You don't even need to refresh the list; downloading a particular pharo version (5, 6, 7, ...) always downloads the latest image version available. This has been the case for years. Normally you only need to update PharoLauncher every major release (so e.g. once Pharo 7 is released, etc.) Peter On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > In "official distributions", just download a new Pharo 61 version from > > the launcher and it will be this version by default. > > > > It should be build 60540 I think. > > I do not quite understand. I installed the launcher several months ago. > Should I update the launcher? I think no. > I see Pharo 6.1(stable), but I am not sure which build it is exactly. > > If I refresh the template list, does it ensure that I will have the last > Pharo 6.1? > > Alexandre > > > > >> Alexandre > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Apr 5, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com > >>> <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20944/Integrate-Epicea- > 8-2-8-in-Ph6-1 > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Cyril Ferlicot > > https://ferlicot.fr > > > > >

April 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] New Pharo 6.1 version

by Alexandre Bergel

> In "official distributions", just download a new Pharo 61 version from > the launcher and it will be this version by default. > > It should be build 60540 I think. I do not quite understand. I installed the launcher several months ago. Should I update the launcher? I think no. I see Pharo 6.1(stable), but I am not sure which build it is exactly. If I refresh the template list, does it ensure that I will have the last Pharo 6.1? Alexandre > >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Apr 5, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20944/Integrate-Epicea-8-2-8-in-Ph6-1 >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Cyril Ferlicot > https://ferlicot.fr >

April 7, 2018

Executive Programming

by Ben Coman

This article about the "Mining Industry's Impending Digital Metamorphosis" https://medium.com/@CORE_Innovation/minings-impending-metamorphosis-155d668… is a little off topic, except where it says "All levels, including management and executives will need to have some level coding experience and understanding." made me think this must be pervasive across many industries and that an interesting strategy for Pharo would be teaching a course called... "Executive Programming". Pharo could be ideally suited to filling this niche... * Executives don't need to learn the *most* efficient language (i.e. C), * and don't need to learn a system suited to large groups of developers (i.e. Java) * and don't have the time to wait for things to compile (i.e. big tick immediate feedback) They are never going to "do the work" but just need to gain a general understanding of "programming" to better strategise at a higher level and interact with developers. What better language is there for this than Pharo? But guess what happens when the boss is familiar with and likes one particular language... ? /cue maniacal laugh cheers -ben P.S. I'd be interested in collaborating on something that is not an end user book, but more of an Instructors manual for such a course.

April 7, 2018

Grafoscopio Questions

by Sean P. DeNigris

I just loaded 1.3.9 into Pharo 6.1 latest (IIRC 540). Two questions: - I got an error on load about updating the docs. Is this known? If not, I'll go back and get more details - How does one contribute to the docs? I found a typo, but if I edit the STON file the PDF will not be in sync and also where/how do I upload? ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

April 5, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] New Pharo 6.1 version

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

On 05/04/2018 17:14, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > When there is a new version of Pharo 6.1, how can I make the launcher > know about it? > Hi, In "official distributions", just download a new Pharo 61 version from the launcher and it will be this version by default. It should be build 60540 I think. > Alexandre > --Â > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel Â http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Apr 5, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20944/Integrate-Epicea-8-2-8-in-Ph6-1 >> >> > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

April 5, 2018