January 2018 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Blame support P7

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi torsten we have a super long list of *important* fixes and enhancements to do. Stef On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:09 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Not having timestamps/authors in Pharo 7 due to git and missing blame support > (see [1]) has other bad side effects: > > > - it clobbers all method stamps in an MCZ package [1] if you use Monticello > which can lead easily to trouble/lamenting > > - it is not possible to fileout a changeset [2] in the ChangeSorter > > Was there any further discussion/decision for P7 on solving this > or adding blame support? > > Thx > T. > > > [1] http://forum.world.st/Author-name-in-version-Iceberg-td4968472.html > [2] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2018-January/026350.html > [3] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20951/ >

Jan. 12, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fuel - FLPharo6Platform in Pharo 7

by Max Leske

Thanks Torsten, I'll make the update tomorrow ( https://github.com/theseion/Fuel/issues/227) Cheers Max On 11 January 2018 at 22:32:09, Torsten Bergmann (astares(a)gmx.de) wrote: There is a class FLPharo6Platform with FLPharo6Platform isResponsibleForCurrentPlatform returning false in Pharo 7 actually. There is no comment Do we need to care (delete, rename to FLPharo7Platform or introduce a new FLPharo7Platform as subclass)? Thx T.

Jan. 12, 2018

Blame support P7

by Torsten Bergmann

Not having timestamps/authors in Pharo 7 due to git and missing blame support (see [1]) has other bad side effects: - it clobbers all method stamps in an MCZ package [1] if you use Monticello which can lead easily to trouble/lamenting - it is not possible to fileout a changeset [2] in the ChangeSorter Was there any further discussion/decision for P7 on solving this or adding blame support? Thx T. [1] http://forum.world.st/Author-name-in-version-Iceberg-td4968472.html [2] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev/2018-January/026350.html [3] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20951/

Jan. 12, 2018

Fuel - FLPharo6Platform in Pharo 7

by Torsten Bergmann

There is a class FLPharo6Platform with FLPharo6Platform isResponsibleForCurrentPlatform returning false in Pharo 7 actually. There is no comment Do we need to care (delete, rename to FLPharo7Platform or introduce a new FLPharo7Platform as subclass)? Thx T.

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mutation of symbols

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Norbert, On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > What is the purpose of > > ByteSymbol>>#privateAt:put: > ByteSymbol>>#string: > WideSymbol>>#privateAt:put: > WideSymbol>>#string: > > ? > > thanks, > > Norbert > I *think* they're a hack for creating new Symbols. A better approach would be to create a ByteString or a WideString and then use adoptInstance: to change the String's class to the relevant Symbol class. _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

Jan. 11, 2018

[Pharo 7.0-dev] Build #418: 20948-Remove-dependency-from-Nautilus-form-FT-examples

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #418 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #664 was integrated: "20948-Remove-dependency-from-Nautilus-form-FT-examples" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/664 Issue Url: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20948 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 11, 2018

[Pharo 7.0-dev] Build #417: 20945-Dependency-browser-should-not-depends-on-Nautilus

by ci-pharo-ci-jenkins2＠inria.fr

There is a new Pharo build available! The status of the build #417 was: FAILURE. The Pull Request #661 was integrated: "20945-Dependency-browser-should-not-depends-on-Nautilus" Pull request url: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/661 Issue Url: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20945 Build Url: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2…

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello, Im and a litle confused. Can you help me get started please?

by Christophe Demarey

Hi, > Le 11 janv. 2018 Ã 11:35, Photon <nico-braun(a)live.de> a Ã©crit : > > oh yes I allready started with the book as I decided that it looked the most > usefull and complete of the available material online. I did not know that > you wrote it. TDD is a fun topic aswell. > I have a little question tho. Am I supossed to know all the answers in > Chapter 3 challenges? Should I redo chapter 1-2 untill I know all the > answers? I think you should be able to answer most questions of the chapter 3 before going further. Be able to identify messages, literals and evaluating basic expressions is really important. If you only miss a few answers, it is not a big deal. They will come with experience. My advice would be to not only re-read the book but use Pharo playground / inspector in the same time to try the examples and find out similar ones. Regards, Christophe

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello, Im and a litle confused. Can you help me get started please?

by Photon

oh yes I allready started with the book as I decided that it looked the most usefull and complete of the available material online. I did not know that you wrote it. TDD is a fun topic aswell. I have a little question tho. Am I supossed to know all the answers in Chapter 3 challenges? Should I redo chapter 1-2 untill I know all the answers? Cheers -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

Jan. 11, 2018

Re: [Pharo-dev] About values....

by Stephane Ducasse

Well. Give me 1 Billion euros and let us bet. :) On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 11:28 PM Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> https://youtu.be/keCwRdbwNQY >> >> I would love to have $ to market Pharo but I like this talk >> >> Stef >> > > Let's be sincere here, there would have been no Apple without Steve. > > Ironically even Steve was not aware of his massive importance. When he was > asked about Windows share on the OS market and what hope MacOS has battling > a Goliath that Microsoft is , Steve said that there could be no competition > and no hope other than increasing the shared from 3% at the time to 5% the > next 5 years. > > MacOS increased its share to 10% instead and when everyone predicted that > macs are no longer the focus of the company, Apple smelled the roses and saw > that maybe OS market is not as hopeless as they initially thought. As a > result we had the 5k iMac , a computer that costed at its release as much it > costed to get the monitor alone and then the iMac pro. > > Truth is that known really knows the market, not even Steve, none can really > predict it and none can really manipulate it. Its made for humans by humans > and so its influenced by the chaos that is called human emotion. > > However I agree with Steve. > > If you have to choose between 1 billion dollars or the ability to greatly > inspire people, you will be foolish to pick the first. > > Personally I think a big obstacle for Pharo is not money but this part. > > If one opens Pharo without knowing anything about it , his first reaction > will be "so what ?". > > Why ? > > Because there is no obvious thing to inspire. > > Pharo ability to inspire requires a deep introduction to the language and > considerably experience till you get at least the basics. > > This is our greatest weakness. > > We have prioritized coder productivity and we have sacrificed smooth > learning curve. Meaning there is a lot of friction to be introduced to Pharo > but once you do and learn the basics its easy to fall in love with the whole > ideology that Pharo is. > > Frankly Pharo has improved this already, Squeak was a mess and Pharo did a > lot of clean up. Unfortunately smooth learning curve is a secondary priority > and this will be growing issue the more complex Pharo becomes and let's face > it Pharo is a very complex environment already. > > So sorry Stef , you know I don't have an issue admiring when you are correct > but in this one you are very wrong. > > Python had no money at all, actually I am willing to bet it had less than > Pharo, but Python offered this super smooth learning curve and it now > dominates the programming field. > > Ironically I think Pharo would have been a far better choice in this field. > > Why ? > > - The language is much easier and simpler > > - We got a much better VM with far higher performance > > - We have a proper IDE that is fully open source, free and only one, instead > of a thousand variants of the same thing > > etc. > > Also as the video implied it does not matter how much money you throw at > marketing. Many companies throw a ton of money and they get close to nothing > in return. > > It's extremely hard to buy inspiration, you either have it , or you don't. > > Ironically I am writting this lines on my iMac using Windows. I am a Windows > hater but I got to admit, Microsoft seems to finally get the message, not > only the open sourced .NET which make a huge part of Windows they also made > Windows 10 far more stable , slick and well designed. Windows 10 may become > the only version of Windows I manage to like. > > I am sure it's not because they throw more money to it. More like they throw > more brains to it.

Jan. 10, 2018