September 2017 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Pharo-Launcher Windows 10 requires admin privilg

by Alex Laurie

Latest version of Pharo launcher requires Admin privileges to launch properly. If it doesn't have Admin permission it throws a "stdout does not exist." error. Not sure if this is the right mailing list for the launcher, if not let me know. Cheers, Alex

Sept. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bloc status

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Thanks for the question :). Indeed, the summary of Stef is quite good. Here are some additions: - Indeed, Bloc gets stable. Recently, we learned that we can optimize the layouts even more and Alex Syrel will work on that in the next couple of weeks, but this will not impact users. - We have just finished an alpha version of the editor that is both moldable and scalable. Itâs alpha because there are still things to fine tune in the area of selection, insertion and deletion. - Having an editor is significant step because it is the most expensive (and the riskiest) widget mechanism. - After the layouts and editor we will focus on the model for interaction and animation of widgets and play with various classes of applications. - In the meantime, Theo Mugnier worked with Alain Plantec and did a brilliant job at providing an initial version of a SVG import-export. There are still things to do, but this is really cool work. I prefer to not go into estimations because I prefer to allow for the space to build crazy things, but we will work intensively on Bloc and Brick over the coming months, likely well into next year. Cheers, Doru > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Torsten > > I will let Doru present it in more detail but I think that he is in vacation. > Now here is my take from the discussion I got at ESUG. > > - Bloc is getting stable and people should really start to use it. > This is why we did the bloc tutorial. We need more on that front. > I plan to use it for some projects > during the lectures I will give at Prague. > BTW I would like to have a turtle for my new book. :) > > - Brick > The text editor was a really important element to build widgets. > The text editor model is basically the second iteration based on > TxText attempt. > It scales well. > > As soon as we start to have widgets we should do a Spec mapping > and see how we can get rid of the middle man (the adapter should not > be used at runtime). > > Bloc and Brick are not on the Pharo 70 roadmap because the process > should be fixed before. > But we would love to have bloc and brick as preview. > > Esteban is currently working with Ronnie for the SDL integration, > headless image and others. > > Stef > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> what is the current status of Bloc and Brick? >> How likely is it that Bloc goes into Pharo 7? >> >> Anyone able to give a short update on current work >> and plans? >> >> Thanks >> T. >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "We are all great at making mistakes."

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About a discord channel for the mooc?

by Stephane Ducasse

Tx esteban I will advertise it. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 18 Sep 2017, at 15:13, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> The students of the lectures at Prague and the forthcoming mooc will >> be strongly >> suggested to use discord. >> So now how can we organise it? >> How do we create a channel? > > I just created a channel #mooc > > Esteban > >> >> Stef >> > >

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About a discord channel for the mooc?

by Stephane Ducasse

Peter why not but it means that non cz people cannot help :) Stef On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wonder whether it would be nice to have a localized channel... e.g. > #learning-cz , #learning-fr so people could feel more at home and discuss > with their peers in their native language. Also please do not call it > newbies... > > Peter > > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Yes may be mooc or newbies >> I checked learning help and it can be intimidating for noobs >> >> stef >> >> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:08 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Stephane Ducasse >> > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> >> >> The students of the lectures at Prague and the forthcoming mooc will >> >> be strongly >> >> suggested to use discord. >> >> So now how can we organise it? >> >> How do we create a channel? >> > >> > I've added you to @channel-admins so you can create it yourself. You >> > should see a plus sign above the channel list. >> > >> > btw, I had originally set up #learning-help for questions related to >> > mooc and documentation, >> > but its drifted to broader topics (I think the tagline is not >> > prominent enough). >> > Maybe you want something more targeted like simply #mooc ? >> > >> > cheers -ben >> > >> >

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bloc status

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi Torsten I will let Doru present it in more detail but I think that he is in vacation. Now here is my take from the discussion I got at ESUG. - Bloc is getting stable and people should really start to use it. This is why we did the bloc tutorial. We need more on that front. I plan to use it for some projects during the lectures I will give at Prague. BTW I would like to have a turtle for my new book. :) - Brick The text editor was a really important element to build widgets. The text editor model is basically the second iteration based on TxText attempt. It scales well. As soon as we start to have widgets we should do a Spec mapping and see how we can get rid of the middle man (the adapter should not be used at runtime). Bloc and Brick are not on the Pharo 70 roadmap because the process should be fixed before. But we would love to have bloc and brick as preview. Esteban is currently working with Ronnie for the SDL integration, headless image and others. Stef On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > what is the current status of Bloc and Brick? > How likely is it that Bloc goes into Pharo 7? > > Anyone able to give a short update on current work > and plans? > > Thanks > T. >

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] TechTalk today, 17h UTC "Free talk Pharo 7"

by Esteban Lorenzano

Ok, link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeMOb5INtQ <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeMOb5INtQ> and we are talking at discord. Esteban > On 19 Sep 2017, at 17:16, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > We have again a time zone problemâ¦ after last time where the tech talk ended up being 2 hours > earlier than announced (âbecause of course that time was local time, wasnât it?â, > I changed the time on https://association.pharo.org/event-2642662 <https://association.pharo.org/event-2642662> to be local Paris time (as that was what everyone expected). > > Now of course it seems we are the other direction wrong: 17 UTC is in two hours, so > > https://association.pharo.org/event-2642662 <https://association.pharo.org/event-2642662> > > is again wrong. > > I have sadly no solution for this problem. > > Marcus > >> On 19 Sep 2017, at 16:17, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de <mailto:astares@gmx.de>> wrote: >> >> Hi Phil, >> >> maybe also my https://github.com/astares/pharo-contributor <https://github.com/astares/pharo-contributor> >> can help you here. >> >> Clone it locally and run download.bat (Windows) or download.sh (other) and wait until all is finished. >> >> This will download and run a help topic file to explain more details on the contribution process. >> First time you need to follow what is written there as an own fork of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/ <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/> >> needs to be on your account (currently I do not see a https://github.com/philippeback/pharo <https://github.com/philippeback/pharo> on your account) >> >> Also includes a simple tool to automagically download your git clone of "pharo" repo and sets it all up. >> Requires git accessible from command line. >> >> My easiest flow is to: >> 1. clone this "pharo-contributor" git repo >> 2. run the download script (which retrieves the latest Pharo 7 and vm) >> 3. when the download ends and the help book is displayed I go to the last page of the help topics >> and click on "CPTCloneTool run" (or run this in a playground) >> You have to use your github name ("philippeback") when Pharo system asks. This will clone >> your fork of "pharo" repository and sync it with latest #development branch, also connect it with Iceberg. >> >> When finished Iceberg should be opened and the "pharo" repo displayed in regular black color >> which means the local clone and Iceberg are in synch. >> >> Now you can do your code changes to fix a bug or make a contribution. Then select the Iceberg >> menu to create a branch from an fogbugz issue number. After you commited + pushed you can >> do PR on Github. >> >> Not perfect yet - but works for me. >> >> Thanks >> T. >> >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. September 2017 um 12:05 Uhr >> Von: "philippe.back(a)highoctane.be <mailto:philippe.back@highoctane.be>" <philippe.back(a)gmail.com <mailto:philippe.back@gmail.com>> >> An: "Discusses Development of Pharo" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>> >> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] TechTalk today, 17h UTC "Free talk Pharo 7" >> Having a kind of demo on how to get started in contributing to 7.0 from scratch would be nice. >> >> Another thing that interests me is theme support with palettes etc. >> >> Phil >> >> On Sep 19, 2017 11:26, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Today we have the montly TechTalk at 17hs UTC. >> x >> So far, I think this is something I would like to talk: >> >> - new development process status >> - tonel 1.0/iceberg 0.6 status >> >> butâ¦ subject is âfree talkâ so prepare your questions/opinions :) >> >> Esteban >

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Calypso] Toolbar and Statusbar Look - voting time

by Denis Kudriashov

I know it is possible. But I expect that this issue can wait a bit :) 2017-09-19 17:43 GMT+02:00 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de>: > Mhhh ... I guess this is something you can handle with some git commands. > > https://www.mikeplate.com/2012/04/21/rewind-master-if- > you-forgot-to-create-new-branch-in-git/ > > Bye > T. > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. September 2017 um 17:07 Uhr > *Von:* "Denis Kudriashov" <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> > *An:* "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > *Betreff:* Re: [Pharo-dev] [Calypso] Toolbar and Statusbar Look - voting > time > > > 2017-09-18 13:47 GMT+02:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >>> >>> "Denis Kudriashov" wrote >>> >Thank's guys for comments. And thank's Torsten for this initiative. I >>> will merge your changes soon. >>> >>> No - we have to thank you. For Calypso, for accepting the community >>> decision and (in advance) for >>> merging the first Calypso pull request. >>> >> >> >> +1. I am already enjoying it since a couple of months and Denis was also >> quick to incorporate my suggestions :) >> > > Now I am not so quick. I am in the middle of refactoring and cleaning and > I not created special branch for it. (I must do it always). > > >> >> >> BTW, RIGHT, of course. >> >> >> >>> I'm pretty sure the next Pharo versions will rock even more ... >>> >>> Bye >>> T. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Iceberg

by Marcus Denker

> On 19 Sep 2017, at 17:45, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Sean P. DeNigris wrote >> I tried to upgrade to latest, but >> http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/mac/PharoVM-Spur32-mac-latest.zip >> doesn't even seem to include libgit2 at all! > > - Prior to the above step, I downloaded the stable Mac VM from Pharo.org but > was still getting "This version of Iceberg requires libgit2 0.25.1 to run > (you have 0.23.0).â I personally find it very confusing that http://files.pharo.org/vm/ <http://files.pharo.org/vm/> does not have the current VMsâ¦ > - My third attempt was https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/PharoVM/ where > I found a broken build and "Project disabled" > Lastly, I did `curl get.pharo.org/vmLatest70 | bash`. Apparently, the 70 VM > is compatible with 60 and I didn't see vmLatest60 listed. > Et voila! > The up to date files are in http://files.pharo.org/get-files/ <http://files.pharo.org/get-files/> (I did not know that either and used an outdated VM from http://files.pharo.org/vm/ <http://files.pharo.org/vm/> for a looong timeâ¦) Marcus

Sept. 19, 2017

Bloc status

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi, what is the current status of Bloc and Brick? How likely is it that Bloc goes into Pharo 7? Anyone able to give a short update on current work and plans? Thanks T.

Sept. 19, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] TechTalk today, 17h UTC "Free talk Pharo 7"

by phil＠highoctane.be

Thx Will try that. Phil On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Phil, > > maybe also my https://github.com/astares/pharo-contributor > can help you here. > > Clone it locally and run download.bat (Windows) or download.sh (other) and > wait until all is finished. > > This will download and run a help topic file to explain more details on > the contribution process. > First time you need to follow what is written there as an own fork of > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/ > needs to be on your account (currently I do not see a https://github.com/ > philippeback/pharo on your account) > > Also includes a simple tool to automagically download your git clone of > "pharo" repo and sets it all up. > Requires git accessible from command line. > > My easiest flow is to: > 1. clone this "pharo-contributor" git repo > 2. run the download script (which retrieves the latest Pharo 7 and vm) > 3. when the download ends and the help book is displayed I go to the last > page of the help topics > and click on "CPTCloneTool run" (or run this in a playground) > You have to use your github name ("philippeback") when Pharo system > asks. This will clone > your fork of "pharo" repository and sync it with latest #development > branch, also connect it with Iceberg. > > When finished Iceberg should be opened and the "pharo" repo displayed in > regular black color > which means the local clone and Iceberg are in synch. > > Now you can do your code changes to fix a bug or make a contribution. Then > select the Iceberg > menu to create a branch from an fogbugz issue number. After you commited + > pushed you can > do PR on Github. > > Not perfect yet - but works for me. > > Thanks > T. > > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. September 2017 um 12:05 Uhr > *Von:* "philippe.back(a)highoctane.be" <philippe.back(a)gmail.com> > *An:* "Discusses Development of Pharo" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > *Betreff:* Re: [Pharo-dev] TechTalk today, 17h UTC "Free talk Pharo 7" > Having a kind of demo on how to get started in contributing to 7.0 from > scratch would be nice. > > Another thing that interests me is theme support with palettes etc. > > Phil > > On Sep 19, 2017 11:26, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Today we have the montly TechTalk at 17hs UTC. >> x >> So far, I think this is something I would like to talk: >> >> - new development process status >> - tonel 1.0/iceberg 0.6 status >> >> butâ¦ subject is âfree talkâ so prepare your questions/opinions :) >> >> Esteban > >

Sept. 19, 2017