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Re: [Pharo-dev] Anyone meeting up night before Pharo Days (17th?)

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hey Tim, Iâm going to arrive in Lille on May 17 and I was just about to ask if someone wants to have a beer/dinner that day in the evening :). Cheers. Uko > On 6 May 2017, at 13:21, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Tim thursday evening we go to a nice restaurant downtown. > In any case this is better to have a n hotel downtown ;) > > On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works <mailto:tim@testit.works>> wrote: > Hi guys - I managed to get a âweeknight passâ so that I can come to Pharo days and try and catch up with all the progress you have made. > > Iâm taking a Eurostar on Wed night (17th) and wondering if anyone is meeting up the night before on the 17th? I donât arrive until 8:30 - but maybe some of you are having some post supper drinks somewhere? > > I have booked a hotel near the venue, but Iâm thinking that I may change it, to somewhere in town as I think it might make more sense as Iâm sure folks may end up eating in town anyway. > > > Tim >

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Anyone meeting up night before Pharo Days (17th?)

by Stephane Ducasse

Tim thursday evening we go to a nice restaurant downtown. In any case this is better to have a n hotel downtown ;) On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > Hi guys - I managed to get a âweeknight passâ so that I can come to Pharo > days and try and catch up with all the progress you have made. > > Iâm taking a Eurostar on Wed night (17th) and wondering if anyone is > meeting up the night before on the 17th? I donât arrive until 8:30 - but > maybe some of you are having some post supper drinks somewhere? > > I have booked a hotel near the venue, but Iâm thinking that I may change > it, to somewhere in town as I think it might make more sense as Iâm sure > folks may end up eating in town anyway. > > > Tim >

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] ./pharo --help returns exit code 1 on ubuntu

by K K Subbu

On Friday 05 May 2017 02:11 PM, Andrei Chis wrote: > ... > ./pharo -help > unknown option: -help > Common <option>s: > --help print this help message, then exit > > Then `./pharo -help` returns an exit code of 1 on mac/linux while > `./pharo --help` returns a exit code of 0 on mac and 1 on linux. It is --help on Pharo and -help on other compiles (see below). Can anyone shed light on the legacy compatibility comment in : ---- platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixMain.c ---- 1421 /* legacy compatibility */ /*** XXX to be removed at some time ***/ 1422 1423 #ifdef PharoVM 1424 # define VMOPTION(arg) "--"arg 1425 #else 1426 # define VMOPTION(arg) "-"arg 1427 #endif > It's still not clear why running the vm to print the help of the version > should exit with an error code. Agreed. I think --help and --version should return 0. I think the 1 was to catch incorrect/unknown arguments. If I learn the rationale behind the change, I can propose a patch to fix this. Regards .. Subbu

May 6, 2017

Anyone meeting up night before Pharo Days (17th?)

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi guys - I managed to get a âweeknight passâ so that I can come to Pharo days and try and catch up with all the progress you have made. Iâm taking a Eurostar on Wed night (17th) and wondering if anyone is meeting up the night before on the 17th? I donât arrive until 8:30 - but maybe some of you are having some post supper drinks somewhere? I have booked a hotel near the venue, but Iâm thinking that I may change it, to somewhere in town as I think it might make more sense as Iâm sure folks may end up eating in town anyway. Tim

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo booklet collection

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi phil yes I loved this idea. We got burned by that too. About pillar. The departure of Damien was not expected and it slows us quite a bit. We (mainly me helped with maxime) are working on - making the pillar core nicer - less dependencies - and with a small in image renderer :) We had fun with guille - In the pharo 60 version I started to clean the command-line. - merged many unmerged changes. But even with all the tests it is not easy.... I'm testing in addition with reall - book production - slides - html But it takes time and energy. I'm trying to remove the dependencies to magritte for example. Stef [image: Inline image 1] On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:30 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > For books, there is the docker-texlive thing from Damien that we > looked into yesterday because TexLive was giving some headaches. > > https://github.com/philippeback/docker-texlive > > has my current thing for one to build a container with all > prerequisites for TexLive and Pharo installed. > > Idea is to clone the book repo on the host and get into an container > to build the book. > > There is a /work volume that can be mapped onto the host with the > docker run's -v command. > > Then just use ./download.sh in there to install Pharo and pillar in > the container. Do not do that in the host or you'll end up with wrong > versions (like my host is CentOS and the container is Ubuntu, even > worse with host is macOS or Windows). > > Then "make book" should give a book in build/ > There is a "make wipeout" command that obliterates the build folder > for good so you can start clean. No harm done on your files. > > Will document more of this but woul dbe nice if someone could check > this out too. > > There is a script in base/ to build the docker image. > > Phil > > On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I fixed it. > > The code for the web site in on github. > > > > Stef > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Correct link seems to be > >> > >> > >> http://files.pharo.org/books-pdfs/booklet-Glorp/2017-05-02- > Glorp.spiral.pdf > >> Esteban A. Maringolo > >> > >> > >> 2017-05-02 17:28 GMT-03:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > >> > link for glorp gives smacc book error > >> > > >> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Stephane Ducasse > >> > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi Pharoers > >> >> > >> >> You are lucky. The "Pharo booklet collection" edited by S. Ducasse is > >> >> arriving... > >> >> > >> >> Are you ready to read nice and focused booklets? > >> >> > >> >> You can find at http://files.pharo.org/books/ in beta version: > >> >> > >> >> Smacc: the Smalltalk Compiler Compiler by J. Brant, T. Goubier, J. > >> >> Lecerf > >> >> and S. Ducasse. > >> >> Glorp: the Object Relational Mapper framework by E. Maringolo, N. > Pratt > >> >> and R. Withney > >> >> > >> >> All the book material is hosted on > >> >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates so you can contribute! > Fix > >> >> typos > >> >> and propose new material. > >> >> > >> >> We are planning a booklet on Magritte, Reddit in 10 cool classes, > >> >> Voyage, > >> >> and Mocking with BabyMock and Mocketry, XML (but we need a writer) > and > >> >> potentially PetitParser. > >> >> > >> >> If you have material for a tutorial and you would like to be part of > >> >> the > >> >> Pharo Booklet Collection contact S. Ducasse. > >> >> > >> >> S. Ducasse > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >

May 6, 2017

Respect Pharo and respect us

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi guys Could we have discussion about ***PHARO*** in the Pharo-dev mailing-list? Can we get a bit of respect? Should we create a private dev mailing-list so that we can get our focus? I start to get bored to have to mute threads. I let you imagine the threads I'm muting. In addition, I would really like that you ask yourself when is the last time that you did something for Pharo if ever. You see doing something for Pharo is as easy as - removing typo from a book - adding a comment in a method - helping a newbie but often you prefer to talk I know why because this is easy. So you do not need to have the perfect X&*^*&^ system to take 10 min of your great life to HELP (see above) Our goal is to build Pharo and we would love other people to help or at least do not use our bandwidth about other goals. So respect Pharo and us. Stef

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Internet Browser

by Craig Latta

Raffaello writes: > > > If I understand the proposal correctly, something similar was > > > tried in project Lively Kernel (https://www.lively-kernel.org/) > > > which is dead since long... > > > > That project is alive, actually. > > The last news and copyright notices are from 2012, the last release is > from February 2014, the last mailing list entry is from August 2016 > and its gzipped volume in the last year is less than 5 KB. > > Would anybody honestly call such a project "alive"? As long as there are people using it, then yes, it's alive. I would say the best indication of activity is the HPI Lively Kernel page[1], and its associated wiki, which has content from 2017. You might also be interested in the consulting work done for Daimler with Lively, and other real-world projects described in the paper "A World of Active Objects for Work and Play: The First Ten Years of Lively", by Ingalls et al[2]. For me, the most relevant example of Lively's real-world impact is Bert Freudenberg's use of it to create SqueakJS. You can read about that in the paper "SqueakJS - A Modern and Practical Smalltalk That Runs in Any Browser"[3]. I'm using SqueakJS now to create in-browser JavaScript IDEs (for livecoding JS front-end frameworks like React), and distributed systems that federate native apps with web browsers across multiple machines. StÃ©phane writes: > ...is [SqueakJS] a browser plugin? No, it's a JS framework written in normal JavaScript, loadable by any HTML page via a <script> tag. One could package it as a web browser extension, though (or a node.js package, etc.). You can get all the details, and try it out, at [4]. thanks, -C [1] https://tinyurl.com/l3uxuzp (hpi.uni-potsdam.de) [2] https://tinyurl.com/lad3mqw (hpi.uni-potsdam.de) [3] https://tinyurl.com/lnwhbov (hpi.uni-potsdam.de) [4] https://squeak.js.org -- Craig Latta Black Page Digital Amsterdam :: San Francisco craig(a)blackpagedigital.com +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo booklet collection

by phil＠highoctane.be

For books, there is the docker-texlive thing from Damien that we looked into yesterday because TexLive was giving some headaches. https://github.com/philippeback/docker-texlive has my current thing for one to build a container with all prerequisites for TexLive and Pharo installed. Idea is to clone the book repo on the host and get into an container to build the book. There is a /work volume that can be mapped onto the host with the docker run's -v command. Then just use ./download.sh in there to install Pharo and pillar in the container. Do not do that in the host or you'll end up with wrong versions (like my host is CentOS and the container is Ubuntu, even worse with host is macOS or Windows). Then "make book" should give a book in build/ There is a "make wipeout" command that obliterates the build folder for good so you can start clean. No harm done on your files. Will document more of this but woul dbe nice if someone could check this out too. There is a script in base/ to build the docker image. Phil On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I fixed it. > The code for the web site in on github. > > Stef > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Correct link seems to be >> >> >> http://files.pharo.org/books-pdfs/booklet-Glorp/2017-05-02-Glorp.spiral.pdf >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> >> 2017-05-02 17:28 GMT-03:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: >> > link for glorp gives smacc book error >> > >> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Stephane Ducasse >> > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Pharoers >> >> >> >> You are lucky. The "Pharo booklet collection" edited by S. Ducasse is >> >> arriving... >> >> >> >> Are you ready to read nice and focused booklets? >> >> >> >> You can find at http://files.pharo.org/books/ in beta version: >> >> >> >> Smacc: the Smalltalk Compiler Compiler by J. Brant, T. Goubier, J. >> >> Lecerf >> >> and S. Ducasse. >> >> Glorp: the Object Relational Mapper framework by E. Maringolo, N. Pratt >> >> and R. Withney >> >> >> >> All the book material is hosted on >> >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates so you can contribute! Fix >> >> typos >> >> and propose new material. >> >> >> >> We are planning a booklet on Magritte, Reddit in 10 cool classes, >> >> Voyage, >> >> and Mocking with BabyMock and Mocketry, XML (but we need a writer) and >> >> potentially PetitParser. >> >> >> >> If you have material for a tutorial and you would like to be part of >> >> the >> >> Pharo Booklet Collection contact S. Ducasse. >> >> >> >> S. Ducasse >> > >> > >> >

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo booklet collection

by Stephane Ducasse

I fixed it. The code for the web site in on github. Stef On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Correct link seems to be > > http://files.pharo.org/books-pdfs/booklet-Glorp/2017-05-02- > Glorp.spiral.pdf > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2017-05-02 17:28 GMT-03:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > > link for glorp gives smacc book error > > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Stephane Ducasse < > stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Pharoers > >> > >> You are lucky. The "Pharo booklet collection" edited by S. Ducasse is > >> arriving... > >> > >> Are you ready to read nice and focused booklets? > >> > >> You can find at http://files.pharo.org/books/ in beta version: > >> > >> Smacc: the Smalltalk Compiler Compiler by J. Brant, T. Goubier, J. > Lecerf > >> and S. Ducasse. > >> Glorp: the Object Relational Mapper framework by E. Maringolo, N. Pratt > >> and R. Withney > >> > >> All the book material is hosted on > >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates so you can contribute! Fix > typos > >> and propose new material. > >> > >> We are planning a booklet on Magritte, Reddit in 10 cool classes, > Voyage, > >> and Mocking with BabyMock and Mocketry, XML (but we need a writer) and > >> potentially PetitParser. > >> > >> If you have material for a tutorial and you would like to be part of the > >> Pharo Booklet Collection contact S. Ducasse. > >> > >> S. Ducasse > > > > > >

May 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Internet Browser

by Stephane Ducasse

frank is it a browser plugin? On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 4 May 2017 at 08:55, askoh <askoh(a)askoh.com> wrote: > >> Thanks everyone for digging out the various possibilities. It is >> heartening >> to know the community is healthy and engaging. >> >> Let me summarize the possibilities: >> 1) Recompile Smalltalk VM from C to WebAssembly to run inside a browser at >> near native speed. This means a complete Smalltalk IDE inside a browser >> with >> full access to the browser innards. >> > > It's not WebAssembly but Squeak running in a browser is already old news, > thanks to Bert Freudenberg - see http://try.squeak.org/#url= > http://files.squeak.org/5.0/&zip=[Squeak5.0-15113.zip, > SqueakV50.sources.zip] and https://squeak.js.org/. I don't know about > interop between that image running in the browser, and the browser itself. > > frank > > >> 2) Embed Chromium or ChromeHeadless or WebKit inside the Smalltalk IDE. >> Browser access is through the exposed APIs. >> 3) Enhance Scamper, a basic browser written in Smalltalk, to include more >> and more of the capabilities of Chrome say. >> >> All the best, >> Aik-Siong Koh >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltal >> k-Internet-Browser-tp4944879p4945606.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >

May 6, 2017