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Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Vincent, first, apologies for the inconvenience, second, thanks! I badly need reproducible failure cases to get the remaining bugs out of the compactor and you have just provided me with one. Can you send me the information I need to reproduce the build? What platforms does it fall on? On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent < vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a segmentation > fault. > > Here is the link to the last build: https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/ > moose-6.1/550/console > > > > How can we fix this? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Cheers, > > Vincent > > > > !!!********************************************************* > **************************** > "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage > exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret > professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir > immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne > pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra > Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs > efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout > virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa > responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un > virus transmis. > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this > e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As > its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability > cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours > to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that > this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages > resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" > -- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Re: Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Blondeau Vincent

I'll do. Cheers, Vincent > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la part de > Tudor Girba > EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 16:49 > Ã : Pharo Development List > Cc : Moose-related development > Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Re: Segmentation fault on Moose > 6.1 Build > > As I said, thanks for doing that. Just make sure to announce such changes in > the future because they are hard to debug otherwise. > > Thanks again. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Blondeau Vincent > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > > > > I fixed the Pharo image used to the 60418 to get a working moose image > since the bug with Athens is resolved. > > > > Cheers, > > Vincent > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la > >> part de Tudor Girba EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 16:42 Ã : Pharo > >> Development List Cc : Moose-related development Objet : [Moose-dev] > >> Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build > >> > >> Hmm, it looks like something changed and the build is now yellow. > >> > >> Does anyone have the time to check this mysterious behavior? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Doru > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek > >>> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue > >>> > >>> -- Pavel > >>> > >>> 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > >>> Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be related... > >>> > >>> 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > >>> Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) > >>> > >>> Doru > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek > >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started > >>>> to > >> fail. > >>>> > >>>> -- Pavel > >>>> > >>>> 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent > >> <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: > >>>> I heard that the gc compactor have changed. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Vincent > >>>> > >>>>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>>>> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la > >>>>> part de Tudor Girba EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 Ã : Pharo > >>>>> Development List Cc : Moose-related development Objet : > >>>>> [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> Was there a change related to the stable VM? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Doru > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent > >>>>> <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a > >>>>>> segmentation > >>>>> fault. > >>>>>> Here is the link to the last build: > >>>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How can we fix this? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks in advance, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Vincent > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > !!!******************************************************** > >>>>> *********** > >>>>>> ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > >>>>>> confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses > >>>>>> destinataires. Il peut > >>>>> Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous > >>>>> recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement > >>>>> l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant > >>>>> Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne > >>>>> pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que > >>>>> les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette > >>>>> transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune > >>>>> garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre > >>>>> recherchÃ©e > >> pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and > >>>>>> intended > >>>>> solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you > >>>>> receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately > >>>>> and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the > >>>>> Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the > >>>>> message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > >>>>> computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this > >>>>> transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages > >> resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" > >>>>>> <dump.txt> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>>>> www.feenk.com > >>>>> > >>>>> âLive like you mean it." > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list > >>>>> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > >>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > >>>> > >>>> > >> > !!!******************************************************** > >> ********* > >>>> ******************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > >>>> confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. > >>>> Il peut > >> Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez > >> ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur > >> et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur > >> Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e > >> quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient > >> faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, > >> l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa > >> responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant > d'un virus transmis. > >>>> > >>>> This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and > >>>> intended > >> solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive > >> this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and > >> destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the > >> Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. > >> Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free > >> network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is > >> virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus > transmitted.!!!" > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>> www.feenk.com > >>> > >>> "Yesterday is a fact. > >>> Tomorrow is a possibility. > >>> Today is a challenge." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> www.tudorgirba.com > >> www.feenk.com > >> > >> "Beauty is where we see it." > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moose-dev mailing list > >> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > >> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > !!!******************************************************** > *********** > > ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce > message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le > dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la > responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de > ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette > transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã > cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage > rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in > error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity > cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered > for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this > transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting > from any virus transmitted.!!!" > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev !!!************************************************************************************* "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!"

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Tudor Girba

As I said, thanks for doing that. Just make sure to announce such changes in the future because they are hard to debug otherwise. Thanks again. Cheers, Doru > On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > > I fixed the Pharo image used to the 60418 to get a working moose image since the bug with Athens is resolved. > > Cheers, > Vincent > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la part de >> Tudor Girba >> EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 16:42 >> Ã : Pharo Development List >> Cc : Moose-related development >> Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 >> Build >> >> Hmm, it looks like something changed and the build is now yellow. >> >> Does anyone have the time to check this mysterious behavior? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: >>> Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be related... >>> >>> 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >>> Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started to >> fail. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>>> 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent >> <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: >>>> I heard that the gc compactor have changed. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Vincent >>>> >>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la >>>>> part de Tudor Girba EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 Ã : Pharo >>>>> Development List Cc : Moose-related development Objet : >>>>> [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Was there a change related to the stable VM? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent >>>>> <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a >>>>>> segmentation >>>>> fault. >>>>>> Here is the link to the last build: >>>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console >>>>>> >>>>>> How can we fix this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> !!!******************************************************** >>>>> *********** >>>>>> ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont >>>>>> confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses >>>>>> destinataires. Il peut >>>>> Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous >>>>> recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement >>>>> l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant >>>>> Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne >>>>> pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que >>>>> les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette >>>>> transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune >>>>> garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e >> pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. >>>>>> >>>>>> This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and >>>>>> intended >>>>> solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you >>>>> receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately >>>>> and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the >>>>> Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the >>>>> message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a >>>>> computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this >>>>> transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages >> resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" >>>>>> <dump.txt> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> www.feenk.com >>>>> >>>>> âLive like you mean it." >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>>> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch >>>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >>>> >>>> >> !!!******************************************************** >> ********* >>>> ******************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont >>>> confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut >> Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce >> message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le >> dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la >> responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de >> ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette >> transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã >> cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage >> rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. >>>> >>>> This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended >> solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in >> error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity >> cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered >> for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a >> computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this >> transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting >> from any virus transmitted.!!!" >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> "Yesterday is a fact. >>> Tomorrow is a possibility. >>> Today is a challenge." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Beauty is where we see it." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch >> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > !!!************************************************************************************* > "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Pavel Krivanek

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19785/Athens-crashes-the-VM 2017-03-02 16:45 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> : > I fixed the Pharo image used to the 60418 to get a working moose image > since the bug with Athens is resolved. > > Cheers, > Vincent > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la part > de > > Tudor Girba > > EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 16:42 > > Ã : Pharo Development List > > Cc : Moose-related development > > Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 > > Build > > > > Hmm, it looks like something changed and the build is now yellow. > > > > Does anyone have the time to check this mysterious behavior? > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue > > > > > > -- Pavel > > > > > > 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > > > Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be > related... > > > > > > 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > > > Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) > > > > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek > > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started to > > fail. > > > > > > > > -- Pavel > > > > > > > > 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent > > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: > > > > I heard that the gc compactor have changed. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la > > > > > part de Tudor Girba EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 Ã : Pharo > > > > > Development List Cc : Moose-related development Objet : > > > > > [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Was there a change related to the stable VM? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent > > > > > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a > > > > > > segmentation > > > > > fault. > > > > > > Here is the link to the last build: > > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console > > > > > > > > > > > > How can we fix this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!******************************************************** > > > > > *********** > > > > > > ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > > > > > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses > > > > > > destinataires. Il peut > > > > > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous > > > > > recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement > > > > > l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant > > > > > Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne > > > > > pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que > > > > > les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette > > > > > transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune > > > > > garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre > recherchÃ©e > > pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and > > > > > > intended > > > > > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you > > > > > receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately > > > > > and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the > > > > > Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the > > > > > message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > > > > > computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this > > > > > transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages > > resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" > > > > > > <dump.txt> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > www.feenk.com > > > > > > > > > > âLive like you mean it." > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > > > > > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > > > > !!!******************************************************** > > ********* > > > > ******************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > > > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. > Il peut > > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce > > message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de > le > > dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la > > responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de > > ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir > cette > > transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune > garantie Ã > > cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout > dommage > > rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended > > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this > e-mail in > > error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its > integrity > > cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be > triggered > > for the message content. 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March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Blondeau Vincent

I fixed the Pharo image used to the 60418 to get a working moose image since the bug with Athens is resolved. Cheers, Vincent > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la part de > Tudor Girba > EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 16:42 > Ã : Pharo Development List > Cc : Moose-related development > Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 > Build > > Hmm, it looks like something changed and the build is now yellow. > > Does anyone have the time to check this mysterious behavior? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue > > > > -- Pavel > > > > 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > > Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be related... > > > > 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > > Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) > > > > Doru > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started to > fail. > > > > > > -- Pavel > > > > > > 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: > > > I heard that the gc compactor have changed. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vincent > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la > > > > part de Tudor Girba EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 Ã : Pharo > > > > Development List Cc : Moose-related development Objet : > > > > [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Was there a change related to the stable VM? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent > > > > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a > > > > > segmentation > > > > fault. > > > > > Here is the link to the last build: > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console > > > > > > > > > > How can we fix this? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!******************************************************** > > > > *********** > > > > > ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > > > > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses > > > > > destinataires. Il peut > > > > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous > > > > recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement > > > > l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant > > > > Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne > > > > pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que > > > > les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette > > > > transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune > > > > garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e > pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and > > > > > intended > > > > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you > > > > receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately > > > > and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the > > > > Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the > > > > message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > > > > computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this > > > > transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages > resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" > > > > > <dump.txt> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > www.feenk.com > > > > > > > > âLive like you mean it." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > > > > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > > > > !!!******************************************************** > ********* > > > ******************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce > message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le > dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la > responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de > ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette > transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã > cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage > rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in > error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity > cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered > for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this > transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting > from any virus transmitted.!!!" > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > www.feenk.com > > > > "Yesterday is a fact. > > Tomorrow is a possibility. > > Today is a challenge." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Beauty is where we see it." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev !!!************************************************************************************* "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!"

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Ok, I saw that the issue was solved on the Jenkins build job by hardcoding the Pharo image number. Thanks for doing this (Pavel was that you?). Just, please announce these types of changes on the Moose mailing lists to avoid confusions. Cheers, Doru > On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hmm, it looks like something changed and the build is now yellow. > > Does anyone have the time to check this mysterious behavior? > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue >> >> -- Pavel >> >> 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: >> Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be related... >> >> 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >> Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) >> >> Doru >> >> >>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started to fail. >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: >>> I heard that the gc compactor have changed. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Vincent >>> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la part de >>>> Tudor Girba >>>> EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 >>>> Ã : Pharo Development List >>>> Cc : Moose-related development >>>> Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Was there a change related to the stable VM? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent >>>> <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a segmentation >>>> fault. >>>>> Here is the link to the last build: >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console >>>>> >>>>> How can we fix this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Vincent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> !!!******************************************************** >>>> *********** >>>>> ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont >>>>> confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut >>>> Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce >>>> message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le >>>> dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la >>>> responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de >>>> ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette >>>> transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã >>>> cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage >>>> rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended >>>> solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in >>>> error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity >>>> cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered >>>> for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a >>>> computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this >>>> transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting >>>> from any virus transmitted.!!!" >>>>> <dump.txt> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> âLive like you mean it." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch >>>> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >>> >>> !!!************************************************************************************* >>> "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. >>> >>> This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Yesterday is a fact. >> Tomorrow is a possibility. >> Today is a challenge." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Beauty is where we see it." > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go."

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Tudor Girba

Hmm, it looks like something changed and the build is now yellow. Does anyone have the time to check this mysterious behavior? Cheers, Doru > On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue > > -- Pavel > > 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be related... > > 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) > > Doru > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started to fail. > > > > -- Pavel > > > > 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: > > I heard that the gc compactor have changed. > > > > Cheers, > > Vincent > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la part de > > > Tudor Girba > > > EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 > > > Ã : Pharo Development List > > > Cc : Moose-related development > > > Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Was there a change related to the stable VM? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent > > > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a segmentation > > > fault. > > > > Here is the link to the last build: > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console > > > > > > > > How can we fix this? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!******************************************************** > > > *********** > > > > ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont > > > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut > > > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce > > > message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le > > > dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la > > > responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de > > > ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette > > > transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã > > > cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage > > > rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended > > > solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in > > > error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity > > > cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered > > > for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > > > computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this > > > transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting > > > from any virus transmitted.!!!" > > > > <dump.txt> > > > > > > -- > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > www.feenk.com > > > > > > âLive like you mean it." > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Moose-dev mailing list > > > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > > > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > > > !!!************************************************************************************* > > "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, merci d'en avertir immÃ©diatement l'expÃ©diteur et de le dÃ©truire. L'intÃ©gritÃ© du message ne pouvant Ãªtre assurÃ©e sur Internet, la responsabilitÃ© de Worldline ne pourra Ãªtre recherchÃ©e quant au contenu de ce message. Bien que les meilleurs efforts soient faits pour maintenir cette transmission exempte de tout virus, l'expÃ©diteur ne donne aucune garantie Ã cet Ã©gard et sa responsabilitÃ© ne saurait Ãªtre recherchÃ©e pour tout dommage rÃ©sultant d'un virus transmis. > > > > This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Worldline liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.!!!" > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Yesterday is a fact. > Tomorrow is a possibility. > Today is a challenge." > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Beauty is where we see it."

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [squeak-dev] Re: [vwnc] Does anyone have a "new" string literal?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Changing the syntax is an expensive thing because every syntactical construct introduces new constraints that can have deep implications in the multiple layers built on top. One reason why our tooling is so nimble is exactly that the AST of the language is so small. It is for this reason that we should approach any syntactical extension with outmost care and rigor. I am not at all convinced that quasi-quoting is relevant enough to have it in the syntax. There are some libraries that can benefit from them, but we could well handle those cases with appropriate API. Perhaps you can change my opinion with concrete examples revealing the value such a construct would add in comparison with a fluent API. That said, I do want to have mechanisms that allow us to embed other languages and DSLs in our environment. In this area I prefer the approach put forward by Helvetia because it is not invasive and highly flexible (and now should even not be expensive to have anymore). Cheers, Doru > On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:15 PM, DavidLeibs <david.leibs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Let me add some more motivation and background for the discussion. I > responded to stepharong(a)free.fr questions by mail yesterday but it didn't > wind up on the forum. Sorry about that. > > http://www.erights.org/elang/quasi/overview.html > Provides very good background for quasi-liberals. I believe this work lead > to the ES6 solution by way of Mark Miller. > > As to macros I would posit that you have been using them in Smalltalk80 all > along without the benefit of having the capability for yourself. There are > a classic set of selectors that get special processing by the compiler. "to: > do:" is an example of one. It gets turned into a while loop by AST > transformation. These special selectors that are really macros are known to > the compiler in a special table. A proper macro system opens the capability > up everyone. > > As to 30 years without noticing that macros were needed, I would say they > are long over due. I needed them back in 1997 when Adele Goldberg and I had > a company called Neometron. We used them for for a large system that had > thousands of templates in a template language which had escapes Smalltalk80 > code embedded within. Also embedded within the tempting code and Smalltalk > code was SQL code. This was allowed to be recursive so it was a little > language free for all. We did not want string concatenation style coding > with errors only found at run time. By having a Smalltalk80 with macros and > quasi-literal little languages we and our non programmer users continued to > compile method by method in the browser as usual but all the errors in > template or sql syntax were found at compile time. There were no external > files and everything continued to work with Change Sets and Change List > technology that allowed recovering after a crash. The compile time > processing by way of compiler staging plugins also allowed for an order of > magnitude performance increase because there was a lot of evaluations that > could be done in advance. By doing the work properly in the parser and > compiler and making sure code transformations tracked source code offsets > proper single stepping in the debugger was preserved. Of course if really > aggressive rewriting was done you would sometimes have to debug in the > expansion but we emitted code to help the debugger with macros and custom > optimizations. The need to debug some macros in the expansion is a very old > unsolved problem. > > Sadly, I was unable to convince Eliot and Steve Dahl to incorporate the work > into Visualworks 20 years ago. Also sadly, I don't spend a lot of effort > arguing with people that don't understand the need for some technology I see > as useful. I have continually had to wait years before the time was right. > :-) > > I know this will sound a bit "Snarky" but for more examples I suggest taking > a look at 60 years of Lisp. Stochastic sampeling of the corpus should be > revealing. :-) > > And now for a appeal to authority, > > "Lisp isn't a language, it's a building material." > > - Alan Kay > > > and in conclusion: > > Simple quasi-literally are relatively easy and can be done with out being > too disruptive. A real macro system takes very careful design that leads to > compiler plugins that can go way beyond macros and open up a world compile > time meta programming and the wonderful world of application dependent > optimizations. > > cheers, > -David (voice from the distant past) Leibs > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-vwnc-Does-anyone-have-a-new-string-literal-tp46670… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

March 2, 2017

Wanted: people / projects for the next tech-talks

by Marcus Denker

Hi, We now have completed the 3rd monthly tech talk. The format seems to work quite well 1st part: Someone gives a Demo with youtube live 2nd: Q&A on Discord it would be nice to continue to have one per month. The date is the last Tuesday of the month: 28 March 25 April 30 May Who wants to do a tech talk on one of these dates? Marcus

March 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 Build

by Pavel Krivanek

I will try to make some easier way to reproduce it and open an issue -- Pavel 2017-03-02 11:58 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > Hm, I haven't check the time of the failing build... Yes, it will be > related... > > 2017-03-02 11:51 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > >> Except for tiny changes in Athens in 60419 :) >> >> Doru >> >> >> > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > On image side nothing relevant happened in 60418 where it started to >> fail. >> > >> > -- Pavel >> > >> > 2017-03-02 11:31 GMT+01:00 Blondeau Vincent < >> vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com>: >> > I heard that the gc compactor have changed. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Vincent >> > >> > > -----Message d'origine----- >> > > De : Moose-dev [mailto:moose-dev-bounces@list.inf.unibe.ch] De la >> part de >> > > Tudor Girba >> > > EnvoyÃ© : jeudi 2 mars 2017 11:29 >> > > Ã : Pharo Development List >> > > Cc : Moose-related development >> > > Objet : [Moose-dev] Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault on Moose 6.1 >> Build >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > Was there a change related to the stable VM? >> > > >> > > Cheers, >> > > Doru >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Blondeau Vincent >> > > <vincent.blondeau(a)worldline.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > The latest builds of the Moose6.1 image are failing due to a >> segmentation >> > > fault. >> > > > Here is the link to the last build: >> > > > https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-6.1/550/console >> > > > >> > > > How can we fix this? >> > > > >> > > > Thanks in advance, >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > Vincent >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > !!!******************************************************** >> > > *********** >> > > > ****************** "Ce message et les piÃ¨ces jointes sont >> > > > confidentiels et rÃ©servÃ©s Ã l'usage exclusif de ses destinataires. >> Il peut >> > > Ã©galement Ãªtre protÃ©gÃ© par le secret professionnel. 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March 2, 2017