March 2017 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Regarding the autocomplete project information

by stepharong

Tx cyril >> >> > > The link is missing. But I think it wight be this one: > > http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/Teaching/Lectures-Cameron-Archi/ObjV.pillar.p… I have a new one https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/BuildingLanguageKerne… I should revisit it but I have to find time for it. > > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 8, 2017

libssh2.so was: Re: Esteban's ChangeLog week of 27 February 2017

by Alistair Grant

Hi Esteban, On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 11:00:02PM -0800, estebanlm(a)gmail.com wrote: > * And now I made +libssh2.so+ compile on linux too :) > > I think Iceberg is fixed now for linux, can someone with linux try +vmLatest60+. I've done some quick ad-hoc testing of this and haven't found any problems (just refreshing, synchronising and pulling incoming commits). $ ./pharo --version 5.0-201703081637 Wed Mar 8 17:38:04 UTC 2017 gcc 4.6.3 [Production Spur ITHB VM] CoInterpreter * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 8 2017 StackToRegisterMappingCogit * VMMaker.oscog-eem.2143 uuid: fe064b6b-e530-4766-837d-799ffe1e8dcd Mar 8 2017 VM: 201703081637 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git $ Date: Wed Mar 8 17:37:29 2017 +0100 $ Plugins: 201703081637 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git $ Linux testing-docker-2c74524e-0bce-41a0-905e-309e215345ee 4.8.12-040812-generic #201612020431 SMP Fri Dec 2 09:33:31 UTC 2016 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux plugin path: /home/alistair/pharo6/pharo/pharo-vm/ [default: /home/alistair/pharo6/pharo/pharo-vm/] HTH, Alistair

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Frozen is melted (can you guys please be patient?)

by Peter Uhnak

On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 04:03:12PM +0100, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > I see you are not teaching to people or running demos in a crowd with Pharo. > > Otherwise, you would get the point I can tell you 100% To me it seems like bad engineering. One does not query a network synchronously and expect things to just work (or work at all). We should take a hint from Node and JS and promises about handling this. This is a basic requirement that any novice JS web developer knows how to handle. Speaking of the opposite, I noticed that loading projects in Pharo 6 no longer completely freezes the UI (unlike 5), which is *thumbs up*. :) Peter > > Phil > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Frankly I fail to see the problem, if a tool connects to the internet and > > does not have some sort of timeout or speed check then is the obligation of > > the tool to fix that and not of Pharo to offer an airplane mode. Its would > > make an already complex pharo environment even more complex. Not to exclude > > the fact that having two mode will create useless confusion for beginners. > > > > Offer a new mode for Pharo ? No > > Offer methods that check internet connectivity and internet speed for > > pharo tool developers to use ? Yes > > > > I feel that Pharo can be simplified down to 1% without the need for a big > > compromise on features. Maybe it does not matter for us that are used to > > working with Blender but its a huge deal for beginners and if we want to > > attract a lot more new users. > > > > My dream is that version 8 be dedicated ONLY to simplifying the Pharo > > code, by removing all the extra fat. No new bug fixes (unless created by > > the removal of the code), no new features. I know we have bootstrap , but > > thats a completely different thing. > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:15 PM phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > > wrote: > > > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19818/Support-for- > >> Airplane-mode-in-Pharo for keeping track of this > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 6:35 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > >> wrote: > >> > This is not only when teaching. > >> > > >> > I was at a conference today and showcased some Grafoscopio. > >> > > >> > Spotty wifi and crowded bandwith makes it bad looking. > >> > > >> > We need an "Airplane mode" switch. > >> > >> That is a cool way to describe it. A well know paradigm. > >> Its a setting that probably would change daya to day more than any other, > >> so perhaps it would even be reasonable to have this as a permanent > >> mode button on the background, > >> or the task bar much like MS Windows taskbar status icons. > >> > >> cheers -ben > >> > >> > > >> > Maybe can we have that available in the session from the settings. > >> > > >> > Phil > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> The problem is that there are people who give lectures in universities > >> >> with bad internet (internet is bad in most of the universities I > >> tried) and > >> >> they done want freezes. On the other hand we have people who sit in > >> their > >> >> offices with fast machines, fast internet and they want features. > >> Until now > >> >> we were looking at how to satisfy one of the groups and which one > >> exactly. > >> >> Why not to try finding a solution for both. For example we can have the > >> >> plugging enabled by default and have Spotter measuring the time needed > >> to do > >> >> a query. Whenever the time surpasses frustration limit (10 sec? I duno) > >> >> Spotter will ask if the user wants to turn off the plugin, of turns it > >> of > >> >> automatically and tells where to re-enable it. The other way would be > >> to > >> >> have known plugins to appear at the bottom of Spotter, and a user can > >> >> install/enable them with one click. So when you search but there is > >> nothing > >> >> you know that there are more plugins that may solve your problem. > >> >> > >> >> Yes it is more complicated to implement in in a smart way rather them > >> just > >> >> set the default boolean value of a setting, but we spend too much time > >> >> anyway convincing the other side that we are rightâ¦ > >> >> > >> >> Uko > >> >> > >> >> > On 6 Mar 2017, at 21:30, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > One day I would like to invite you to give a lecture in a not that > >> bad > >> >> > french university > >> >> > with a not that good network. Each time Pharo freezes you pay me 5 > >> Euros > >> >> > only and we can > >> >> > go and pay some really expensive restaurant with your money. > >> >> > Simple on my machine it times out every five minutes. > >> >> > > >> >> > <sorry I could not resist> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 19:51, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> We should make it available from the catalog :) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yes, it most certainly should be. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If only we could then tell user to type > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Shift-Enter Sublimish Enter > >> >> >> > >> >> >> to install it using Spotter right from the catalog ;-) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sorry, I couldn't resist ... <ducking> > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> 2017-03-06 9:29 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 09:22, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com > >> > > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> 2017-03-06 8:20 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com > >> >: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:57, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-6.0-Issue-Validator- > >> simple/7294/artifact/report.html > >> >> >>>>> is not integrated for some Monkey reason anyway - still should > >> b/c if you > >> >> >>>>> put sublimish, you need a decent matching Spotter. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Also, I see > >> >> >>>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19796/Remove-duplicate- > >> code-from-SublimishTheme > >> >> >>>>> on 5/3. If this moves forward, why not the other one? > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> BTW Sublimish was an extra thing. Who got that in image? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> I donât know. > >> >> >>>> It shouldnât :) > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> What we should do is to create a page for themes and links to it > >> (and > >> >> >>>> they should be in catalog) :) > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Well, it was me who proposed the slice and yes, I was aware of the > >> >> >>>> fact that I should not do it because of code freeze (I was not > >> aware of the > >> >> >>>> two themes policy). > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> it is not a policy, it is just the idea I have :) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> We can remove it again, I will prepare a slice. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> problem with it is that is makes ripples. > >> >> >>> If community want it (is nice), we can include it, but I would wait > >> >> >>> for P7, yes. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19801/Remove-SublimishTheme > >> >> >>> At least it was an advertisement for this theme that moved it > >> forward > >> >> >>> and the integration of it helped to improve the dark theme too. > >> And showed > >> >> >>> again how much we need the concept of palettes used strictly in > >> the system. > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- Pavel > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Esteban > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> -- Pavel > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Esteban > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Phil > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Esteban Lorenzano > >> >> >>>>> <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 07:17, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com > >> > > >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Hi, > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> First, let me be clear: I *like* sublimish theme (not for my > >> use, > >> >> >>>>>> but I like it), and I like (a lot) the windows list on spotter, > >> and I like > >> >> >>>>>> in general all this new additions. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> By the way, even if I like it, I would not have integrated > >> >> >>>>> SublimishTheme. For same reason I didnât integrated > >> DarkMetalTheme: My idea > >> >> >>>>> is to have just two themes *in image*: one white, one dark, and > >> allow people > >> >> >>>>> to install other themes from catalog. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Why? Because each class inside image becomes our responsibility > >> and > >> >> >>>>> then a maintainability issue. With themes in particular already > >> happened > >> >> >>>>> that existing themes became abandonware inside the image and we > >> needed to > >> >> >>>>> clean up, not without problems. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> cheers, > >> >> >>>>> Esteban > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> ps: which means also yes: that issue got integrated because I > >> failed > >> >> >>>>> to control the flow of issues... > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> And I know, most of those additions are usability enhancements > >> so a > >> >> >>>>>> good thing. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> But can you guys stop pushing new features into a (in theory) > >> >> >>>>>> frozen version? > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Pharo 7 will arrive soonâ¦ *if* we can fix all things missing. > >> If I > >> >> >>>>>> can suggest an orientation, it would be good, for those that > >> use linux and > >> >> >>>>>> mac (windows is not ready), to test and help fix 64bits version. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> There are still plenty of bugs to fix there, like for example > >> why > >> >> >>>>>> Spotter does not shows search line. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Last week I added support to Athens and SDL2 in 64bits but that > >> >> >>>>>> meant: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> - some important changes in UFFI > >> >> >>>>>> - discover something that seems is failing on callbacks for > >> Cairo > >> >> >>>>>> (no idea if it is a callbacks problem or an image problem that > >> causes a > >> >> >>>>>> callback problem). > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I would say all this and the fact we are working on 64bits in > >> >> >>>>>> general deserves a lot of testing. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> I will add links in Pharo page to download 64bits (Iâm at the > >> train > >> >> >>>>>> now), but in the mean time you can download all from here: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo-64.zip > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-linux-latest.zip > >> >> >>>>>> (linux) > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/pharo64-mac-latest.zip > >> (mac) > >> >> >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/60/sources.zip (in case you > >> need > >> >> >>>>>> them) > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> cheers, > >> >> >>>>>> Esteban > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >>

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo TechTalk starting in one hour (16UTC) (LINKS)

by Marcus Denker

Hi, I have cleaned the beginning of the video. It will stay available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H52MAu_ISgU On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > So, techtalk will be here: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H52MAu_ISgU > > and discussion channel will be through discord, as always, here: > > http://discord.gg/Sj2rhxn > > See you there! > > Esteban > -- -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de

March 8, 2017

Need to login to access pharo-dev ci

by Yuriy Tymchuk

HI, when I go to https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/ <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/> I end up on a page asking me to login. Shouldnât it be possible to see the jobs without logging in? Uko

March 8, 2017

Editors with code completion

by komarlu2＠fit.cvut.cz

Hi again, there are more editors with code completion. There is TextEditor, its subclass SmalltalkEditor and then there are RubTextEditor and again its subclass RubSmalltalkEditor what is the rule? I found out that with the finder tool there is a TextEditor but most of the editors seem to be RubSmalltalkEditor. I also got the impression that a lot of the code is duplicated. Thanks, Lukas

March 8, 2017

Code Completion in Pharo

by komarlu2＠fit.cvut.cz

Hi to all, thank you so very much for all of the advices and suggestions to make it work. I'll do my best. Stef, I understand what you mean in the first message but I didn't understand the added part, where you explain the navigation. If you could explain some more, please? The -recognizing the whole selector- part but also these code expanding shortcuts you described (as well as writing rse and getting RubSmalltalkEditor as a suggestion) is now my priority to make them work. Lukas > One thing that is broken in current code completion and needs to be > addressed > is when you try to edit keyword messages. > > For example you have: > > dict at: #foo > > and you want to add ifAbsent: part. > > Current implementation won't help you, because it works out of context > and > doesn't recognize the whole selector. Same when you want to edit any > part of > keyword message. > > I'd like to see code completion operating on message send level, not on > word > (token?) level. + 1 I would love also to have it -> ifTrue: [ | cursor here ] and also even if this is not strictly about completion selector: navigation | self at: key ifAbsent: then self |at: key ifAbsent: then self at:| key ifAbsent: then self at: key |ifAbsent: > Is it clear what I'm trying to say?

March 8, 2017

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/60437 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

March 8, 2017

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 385992: 60437

by GitHub

Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 385992b13600184bd0b943b7256104506e4e6858 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/385992b13600184bd0b943b7… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M BaselineOfIDE.package/BaselineOfIDE.class/instance/actions/preload_package_.st R Glamour-Core.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/menuShortcutModifierString.st A Glamour-Core.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/menuShortcutModifierString.st R Keymapping-KeyCombinations.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/defaultModifier.st A Keymapping-KeyCombinations.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/defaultModifier.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60436.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60437.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60436.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60437.st M ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st A System-Platforms.package/OSPlatform.class/instance/testing/isUnix32.st A System-Platforms.package/OSPlatform.class/instance/testing/isUnix64.st A System-Platforms.package/OSPlatform.class/instance/testing/isWin64.st A System-Platforms.package/Unix32Platform.class/README.md A System-Platforms.package/Unix32Platform.class/class/testing/isActivePlatform.st A System-Platforms.package/Unix32Platform.class/definition.st A System-Platforms.package/Unix32Platform.class/instance/testing/isUnix32.st A System-Platforms.package/Unix64Platform.class/README.md A System-Platforms.package/Unix64Platform.class/class/testing/isActivePlatform.st A System-Platforms.package/Unix64Platform.class/definition.st A System-Platforms.package/Unix64Platform.class/instance/testing/isUnix64.st M System-Platforms.package/UnixPlatform.class/class/testing/isActivePlatform.st M System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/README.md M System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/class/testing/isActivePlatform.st M System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/definition.st R System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/accessing/family.st R System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/accessing/keyForValue_.st R System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/accessing/lineEnding.st R System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/accessing/menuShortcutString.st R System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/accessing/virtualKey_.st R System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/testing/isWindows.st A System-Platforms.package/Win64Platform.class/README.md A System-Platforms.package/Win64Platform.class/class/testing/isActivePlatform.st A System-Platforms.package/Win64Platform.class/definition.st A System-Platforms.package/Win64Platform.class/instance/testing/isWin64.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/README.md A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/class/testing/isActivePlatform.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/definition.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/instance/accessing/family.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/instance/accessing/keyForValue_.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/instance/accessing/lineEnding.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/instance/accessing/menuShortcutString.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/instance/accessing/virtualKey_.st A System-Platforms.package/WinPlatform.class/instance/testing/isWindows.st R System-Sources.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/potentialLocationsOfSourcesFile.st A System-Sources.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/potentialLocationsOfSourcesFile.st R UnifiedFFI.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/ffiCallingConvention.st R UnifiedFFI.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/ffiFloat64Alignment.st R UnifiedFFI.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/ffiLongAlignment.st R UnifiedFFI.package/extension/Win32Platform/instance/ffiModuleName_.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/ffiCallingConvention.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/ffiFloat64Alignment.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/ffiLongAlignment.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/WinPlatform/instance/ffiModuleName_.st Log Message: ----------- 60437 19814 OSPlatform current needs to differentiate 32 and 64 bits https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19814 19821 loading of the BaselineOfIDE is broken https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19821 http://files.pharo.org/image/60/60437.zip

March 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Regarding the autocomplete project information

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

On 08/03/2017 10:42, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > Hello Siddhart > > I asked lukas to decide if he can participate to the GSOC ecompletion > project or not. He is working for a company and > he may not have the time to fully participate. > I hope that he will take his decision soon. > > Now about the project and GSOC in general here are some advices: > - Did you follow the pharo mooc? > - It would be good to show to the community that you are a nice pharoer > :) usually we ask people to do the following exercise > - double linked list test first > - now if you want to show that you are super super cool and we will all > want to work with you I suggest (it depends on your level) > to try to do the ObjVlisp tutorial available at: > > The link is missing. But I think it wight be this one: http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/Teaching/Lectures-Cameron-Archi/ObjV.pillar.p… -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

March 8, 2017