March 2017 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Where are the Metacello ConfigurationOfYourProject supposed to be?

by Peter Uhnak

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 09:12:55PM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:34 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Nicolas > > Since a couple of years already we have one MetaRepo per version > > > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo60' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo50' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo30' > > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > > > You see it is in place since Pharo 30 :). > > > > We are working on a single place (web site) to publish packages but also the > > package metadata. > > The problem right now is that we cannot verify/publish a configuration > > without loading it. > > > > The idea is to have kind of distributions of packages working and validated > > vs. a folder full of possible packages > > I hated so much the squeak catalog because 5 times on 6 nothing worked. > > > > Stef > > Just a thought for when the catalog validation is implemented, > it would be good to report what the test coverage is, > so this can be filtered on to distinguish from projects > that are green just because they have a single test. > > Also, (as time permits) > it would be good to have a checkbox to filter out projects > having no description, and be enabled by default. There is no sane reason why description should be empty, so please just make it mandatory (and author/contact too (and possibly tags)). Re coverage: that would require that the user installing it actually understands how the metric was computed... e.g. call coverage != path coverage; also the usefulness and complexity of coverage will greatly depend on the used task. You can get 100% call coverage with some algo lib, but good luck getting there with UI. Likewise if the project is more diverse you can very easily skew it. Peter

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mini Pharo -> JavaScript translator?

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:16 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.squeaksource.com/@xxu3r2Ma7SbqJi3E/1j-SgMCf (74000 downloads). Hi Hannes, That link doesn't work. You need to pick the html one under "Links" heading half way down the project page. cheers -ben

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] image not opening.

by Ben Coman

Maybe related? http://forum.world.st/BUG-A-problem-with-callbacks-that-shows-up-in-64bits-… On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 2:22 AM, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On ven. 10 mars 2017 at 18:42, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> We found the problem with Guillermo and this may be a problem of the last >> VM. >> >> The image got its starting window size really small: some pixels on some >> pixles. >> So may be the metadata of the image are systematically corrupted. >> >> Hi >> >> I have a jenkins that produce an image that does not start >> when I try to open it locally. >> >> Now if I take the image and load the "same" configuration I get a working >> image >> >> I have not idea how to debug that. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > If it can help: here is the build: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/OOnoz/ > > It is happening in almost all Pharo 6 builds > -- > Cheers > Cyril Ferlicot

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Where are the Metacello ConfigurationOfYourProject supposed to be?

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:34 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > Nicolas > Since a couple of years already we have one MetaRepo per version > > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo60' > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo50' > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40' > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo30' > user: 'StephaneDucasse' password: '' > > You see it is in place since Pharo 30 :). > > We are working on a single place (web site) to publish packages but also the > package metadata. > The problem right now is that we cannot verify/publish a configuration > without loading it. > > The idea is to have kind of distributions of packages working and validated > vs. a folder full of possible packages > I hated so much the squeak catalog because 5 times on 6 nothing worked. > > Stef Just a thought for when the catalog validation is implemented, it would be good to report what the test coverage is, so this can be filtered on to distinguish from projects that are green just because they have a single test. Also, (as time permits) it would be good to have a checkbox to filter out projects having no description, and be enabled by default. cheers -ben

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoSpur32Vm

by Nicolas Cellier

Hi Nicolai, If you look at appveyor.yml configuration on https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/opensmalltalk-vm/blob/Cog/.appveyor.yml, you will see that the pharo brand is not yet in the matrix. It's because builds are based on cygwin, but as I understood, some library used by some plugin required by pharo refuse to compile with cygwin. They appear to work with mingw32. Cygwin provides headers for legacy directx, some distribution of mingw32 did in the past, but it does not seem the case anymore. Using the directx headers from Microsoft SDK is a problem. They are not redistributable and can't be found anymore on the net (too old). We cannot seriously base the builds on something so fragile (both technically and legally) in the long term. Also, the 64 bits VM does only work with clang, and we don't have anything available as a 64bits Microsoft SDK... So pharo has to fix that too. In the interim, you should look at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/.appveyor.yml and follow the scripts there. I hope that Esteban will find time to resolve all these problems and have pharo brand back on opensmalltalk-vm. I guess that any form of help is welcome. Nicolas 2017-03-11 8:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: > I still have problems building a vm on windows. > can you give me some hints how to start ? > I cloned the recent pharo-vm project, > in opensmalltalk-vm\build.win32x86\pharo.cog.spur\ > run > mvm > > But I got a couple of problems (mingw-32 compiler commands not found, I > had to adjust the include path for finding directx header, missing variable > replacement for git-versions). > So I may miss some important steps. > Is there a repository where I can clone the mingw environment used to > build the win32-pharo-vm, the environment used on the build-server ? > > Thanks > Nicolai > > 2017-02-04 1:50 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: > >> >> >> 2017-02-04 1:44 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> >>> >>> 2017-01-23 8:59 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> >>>> On 22 Jan 2017, at 13:19, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-01-22 10:21 GMT+01:00 ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I believe they're built from* https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/vm >>>>> <https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/vm>* using travis and appveyor. On >>>>> the gitbhub readme there are relevant links. All built artifacts are also >>>>> kept on bintray for history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> no, they arenât :) >>>> instead, they are built here: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>>> >>>> (README still not updated) >>>> >>> >>> what did changed ? I am not able to build the vm on windows anymore >>> (something wrong with generating the generator.image, I'll now reset my >>> local pharo-vm build directory and see if it works afterwards). >>> >> >> see attached the stderr log : >> >> 'Errors in script loaded from u:\github\pharo-vm\scripts\LoadVMMaker.st' >> [31mMessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "default:" is nil >> [0mUndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #default: >> BaseSoundSystem class>>initialize >> MCMethodDefinition>>postloadOver: >> >> .... >> >> >>> Are we still working with branch spur-64, or are we back on master ? >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Where are the latest Pharo-spur-vms (32bit) are built? >>>>>> I don't see them on the build server, only the buildresults at >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/linux/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The latest builds on the buildserver are from the last year only. >>>>>> >>>>>> nicolai >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Debugger: is there a way to skip a message?

by Tudor Girba

Ah, I got it. It is not supported at the moment and as far as I know, it was not supported in the SpecDebugger either. But, it would definitely be an interesting thing to have. Doru > On Mar 11, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Stef, I guess what you want is something like: > 1) step into > 2) then return entered value like 'self'? > but in a single action. > > 2017-03-11 8:18 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi Stef, > > I am not sure I understand what you mean by "skip a messageâ. Is it different then âOverâ? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:20 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I need to skip message while debugging and I thought that it was possible. > > May be I do not see it. > > > > Stef > > > > -- > > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Innovation comes in the least expected form. > That is, if it is expected, it already happened." > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "We can create beautiful models in a vacuum. But, to get them effective we have to deal with the inconvenience of reality."

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Debugger: is there a way to skip a message?

by Nicolas Cellier

Hi Stef, I guess what you want is something like: 1) step into 2) then return entered value like 'self'? but in a single action. 2017-03-11 8:18 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi Stef, > > I am not sure I understand what you mean by "skip a messageâ. Is it > different then âOverâ? > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:20 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I need to skip message while debugging and I thought that it was > possible. > > May be I do not see it. > > > > Stef > > > > -- > > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Innovation comes in the least expected form. > That is, if it is expected, it already happened." > > >

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoSpur32Vm

by Nicolai Hess

I still have problems building a vm on windows. can you give me some hints how to start ? I cloned the recent pharo-vm project, in opensmalltalk-vm\build.win32x86\pharo.cog.spur\ run mvm But I got a couple of problems (mingw-32 compiler commands not found, I had to adjust the include path for finding directx header, missing variable replacement for git-versions). So I may miss some important steps. Is there a repository where I can clone the mingw environment used to build the win32-pharo-vm, the environment used on the build-server ? Thanks Nicolai 2017-02-04 1:50 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: > > > 2017-02-04 1:44 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: > >> >> >> 2017-01-23 8:59 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> >>> On 22 Jan 2017, at 13:19, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> 2017-01-22 10:21 GMT+01:00 ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I believe they're built from* https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/vm >>>> <https://github.com/OpenSmalltalk/vm>* using travis and appveyor. On >>>> the gitbhub readme there are relevant links. All built artifacts are also >>>> kept on bintray for history. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> >>> no, they arenât :) >>> instead, they are built here: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>> >>> (README still not updated) >>> >> >> what did changed ? I am not able to build the vm on windows anymore >> (something wrong with generating the generator.image, I'll now reset my >> local pharo-vm build directory and see if it works afterwards). >> > > see attached the stderr log : > > 'Errors in script loaded from u:\github\pharo-vm\scripts\LoadVMMaker.st' > [31mMessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "default:" is nil > [0mUndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #default: > BaseSoundSystem class>>initialize > MCMethodDefinition>>postloadOver: > > .... > > >> Are we still working with branch spur-64, or are we back on master ? >> >> >> >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where are the latest Pharo-spur-vms (32bit) are built? >>>>> I don't see them on the build server, only the buildresults at >>>>> http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/linux/ >>>>> >>>>> The latest builds on the buildserver are from the last year only. >>>>> >>>>> nicolai >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Debugger: is there a way to skip a message?

by Tudor Girba

Hi Stef, I am not sure I understand what you mean by "skip a messageâ. Is it different then âOverâ? Cheers, Doru > On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:20 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > I need to skip message while debugging and I thought that it was possible. > May be I do not see it. > > Stef > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Innovation comes in the least expected form. That is, if it is expected, it already happened."

March 11, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mini Pharo -> JavaScript translator?

by H. Hirzel

On 3/10/17, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi! > > Is there a simple way to translate Pharo code into Javascript? > There is Pharo JS, but I cannot load it in Pharo 6. There is the amber > compiler, but I cannot find a version for Pharo. > > Amber takes the approach of translating everything into JavaScript, > including the Smalltalk object model. While this is great for fan of > bootstrapping images, it produces large javascript code. > > Is there a kind of Slang for JavaScript? I am looking for something > minimal. > > Cheers, > Alexandre Hello Alexandre Something like this https://github.com/ympbyc/LittleSmallscript or http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5860 which refers to http://www.squeaksource.com/@xxu3r2Ma7SbqJi3E/1j-SgMCf (74000 downloads). People have used it successfully. There is probably a Pharo port. --Hannes

March 11, 2017